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BA To Offer All Business/First Class Flights To US  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2986 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13684 times:

British Airways has given very strong indications that it intends to fly all Premium class flights to the USA from next year. Primarily to JFK and these will operate from continental Europe... It seems BA has no interest in competing with European and US airlines for Economy traffic when the Open Skys treaty comes into effect next year, and only wants the cream of the crop.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/pro...x?Feed=FT&Date=20070518&ID=6926371

They have stated they would be interested in operating routes to New York from Paris, Zurich, Frankfurt, Milan or Madrid, and would be flown by aircraft like the 757 and 767.

This seems feasiable as BA is continually receiving new short haul aircraft from Airbus and these could be used to replace 752's and 762's that currently operate on European flights and be switched to Transatlantic routes. Both these types of aircraft within the BA fleet are definately showing their age and would need a good overhaul to bring up to standard! I am also wondering if the A319 could be put on to Transatlantic routes? - Like Privatair does...

IMHO as the next airline CEO waiting in the wings, this seems to be a wise move by BA and their current Premium offering is considered to be among one of the best flying accross the Atlantic and if it can offer a similar product on these types of flights they could be onto a winner. I would be interested to know what kind of frequencies they would be looking to offer on flights to major financial centres in Europe, like Frankfurt and Paris. As I would expect airlines like LH and AF to have the upper hand in this respect for the business traveller.

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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
could be used to replace 752's and 762's

763 , no B762´s only.


Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I am also wondering if the A319 could be put on to Transatlantic routes?

Yes but they would need an extra Center Tank to fly across the Atlantic.  

[Edited 2007-05-20 13:42:04]

User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2789 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13405 times:

A very shrewd move IMO. ??

Beat the new upstarts at their own game, the Eoss, Silver and Max Jets.

BA is optimised for this approach; not only do they have an enviable reputation, their already impressive service levels can only improve on a dedicated F/J service, plus they have interline, alliance perks and their own frequent flier programme, some of which are lacking in the Premium-only carriers.

Avoiding the 'Y' class bloodbath after openskies is a wise and calculated move.

I think the shear propensity of "Premium" carriers in/out of the UK is indicative of the fact that BA haven't switched on to this earlier.

If I was a director at Silverjet et al, I'd be finding it hard to digest my breakfast this morning. ?? ??

Shamu

[Edited 2007-05-20 13:42:04]

[Edited 2007-05-20 13:42:45]


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User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13395 times:

Seat configuration would be interesting. Although this shouldn't matter too much, I wonder if there'd be a preference for forward cabin seats rather than sitting business class down the back. Any idea how comparable fares would be with those currently available?

User currently offlineSkyGazer From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

Parallels to Concorde anyone? BA will have all premium class service for LHR-JFK again, except subsonic this time  Wink


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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13238 times:

Seems like a good move to me and surprised BA has not thought of this earlier. Open Skies is certainly going to change the way of flying for many airlines. With a good advertising campaign this should make money!

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2986 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13211 times:

Quoting SkyGazer (Reply 4):
Parallels to Concorde anyone? BA will have all premium class service for LHR-JFK again, except subsonic this time



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
If I was a director at Silverjet et al, I'd be finding it hard to digest my breakfast this morning. ?? ??

Reading the press release, I would assume BA are only interested in chasing the Premium traffic within Europe and I think the UK flights between the US and UK will remain unchanged.

With BA offering up to 10 flights a day between LHR and JFK/EWR they probably have as much capacity as they require and can provide the premium traveller with the frequencies they require.

I do not think the likes of EOS and SilverJet need not worry as they have fares at about 50% lower that BA J class and about 20% of F class. I wouldn't even call MaxJet a premium market carrier and their product is no better than Premium Economy on the likes of VS and BA.

One thing BA would not be willing to compromise on, is cost and will not get into a price war with European carriers to the US, and just simply match their fares. They will simply position themselves as a carrier offering a better service than what the likes of LH and AF in J and F, and try and grab some of their market.

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 1):
763 , no B762´s only.

Sorry thats what I meant.

I assume the BA 752's would have the range. Even though they have some of the first delivered, I remember when BA used to fly BHX-YYZ and BHX-JFK with a 752.

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 8):
Yup.. Air Canada does this from Heathrow on one route.

True, but AC only fly the A319 between LHR and St Johns, which is only about 5hrs flying time and there is a number of A319 flights within Europe flying similar lengths to that... While JFK still has about 2-3hrs flying time to go by the time it flys over St Johns! Not sure if the A319 quite has the legs, thats why I asked the question earlier.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Using a hypothetical 787-8LR, BA could extend this concept worldwide - say SYD-LHR or even launch SYD-DFW/ORD/JFK services to tie in to AA's domestic feed at those three hubs...

Premium traffic on the LHR-SYD route is not good at all and offers very low yields for BA as stated in previous threads in the past. Also BA only has open skies agreement to fly between Europe and the USA, not from any country to the USA. But I suppose they could operate something like NZ does and fly LHR-LAX-SYD.

[Edited 2007-05-20 14:39:41]

User currently offlineEKfan From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

Quoting SkyGazer (Reply 4):
BA will have all premium class service for LHR-JFK again, except subsonic this time

I believe BA have specified that there will not be premium only flights from the UK, this will be only between JFK and mainland European destinations; I for one doubt that there are very many destinations aside from LHR that have enough premium demand to fill a B767-300, it would seem better to use the B757s or even B737-700ER/A319LRs on these routes.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I am also wondering if the A319 could be put on to Transatlantic routes?

Yup.. Air Canada does this from Heathrow on one route.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29690 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13150 times:
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Using a hypothetical 787-8LR, BA could extend this concept worldwide - say SYD-LHR or even launch SYD-DFW/ORD/JFK services to tie in to AA's domestic feed at those three hubs...

User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13107 times:
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Did they read my post yesterday on this

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May just be a BA publicity stunt but since they only want those travelling on other peoples money could they actually use those new A32x orders for A319CJ with Club /First seats only and with aircraft based in say Frankfurt Munich and Paris rather than as every one else seems to have considered utilising 767 or 777 ?
Just a thought !
Ever since Concorde withdrawal and the use of Private by LH and KLM and the Air France dedicate aircraft it has been a mistry to me why BA an airline renowned for service in upper level still hasn't introduced a similar offering .


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13063 times:

In France the start-up "L'Avion" would be severerly hit-they had a hard time reaching "cruising" speed with low occupancy-rates for the first six months.Their only flight from Orly to New York would suffer a strong blow !


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):

True, but AC only fly the A319 between LHR and St Johns, which is only about 5hrs flying time and there is a number of A319 flights within Europe flying similar lengths to that... While JFK still has about 2-3hrs flying time to go by the time it flys over St Johns! Not sure if the A319 quite has the legs, thats why I asked the question earlier.



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 8):

Yup.. Air Canada does this from Heathrow on one route.

BA's standard issue A319s do not have the range to operate from the UK or continental Europe to US cities, its simply too far and beyond the aircraft's operating range with any type of economic payload. Also consider North Atlantic winds and ATC issues (especially in northeastern US cities)......it simply would not work. Privatair flies specially equipped A319CJs (and BBJS....not 73G or 738) on its all-biz transatlantic services (and rumor has it that the KLM/Privatair flight is visiting Gander more often than hoped). As for the Heathrow-St Johns service, please take a look at a map.....St Johns is about 1000 miles closer to Europe than any major US city and within range of AC's A319s (and I dont know if BA's A319s have the same specs as the AC birds.)


User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12958 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
IMHO as the next airline CEO waiting in the wings, this seems to be a wise move by BA and their current Premium offering is considered to be among one of the best flying accross the Atlantic and if it can offer a similar product on these types of flights they could be onto a winner. I would be interested to know what kind of frequencies they would be looking to offer on flights to major financial centres in Europe, like Frankfurt and Paris. As I would expect airlines like LH and AF to have the upper hand in this respect for the business traveller.

Compete with AF and LH for their premium product? I don't think it's a great idea. Here's why? First of all I'd fly LH anyday over BA as I find their service and food much better. Same with food on AF though their service is, at times, undependable.

But chances are the greatest number of frequent travellers on the CDG and FRA routes, for example, are loyal to LH or AF for mileage and the perks they receive from their loyalty program. I don't see a French or German business person choosing to fly BA because they like their service better when they'd lose their mileage to their main program. Also, let's see how BA can match LH at FRA, for example, for customer service. I just don't see it. They'll likely get AA frequent flyers, as long as the miles will completely count, which is highly unlikely since AA wants you on AA over the water and thusly doesn't reward mileage on BA over the water, etc... BA may well be thinking and knowing something I don't, which is probably true because I'm way out of the loop, BUT, my initial instinct is it's a stretch, though I hope they prove me wrong.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7258 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12896 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Both these types of aircraft within the BA fleet are definately showing their age and would need a good overhaul to bring up to standard!

If the 'standard' is set by the likes of Silver Jet this is hardly an issue.

Silverjet started their operations with 762 G-SJET (constructor's number 23624, line number 144). This aircraft is approximately three years older than BA's oldest 763, G-BNWA (24333, 265) and is more than ten years older than BA's youngest 763 G-BZHC (29232,708).

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Silver Jet's second and third 762s (24736, 296 and 24757, 299) are both older than fifteen (or more than 70 per cent) of BA's operational fleet of twenty-one 763s.

BA's oldest 752, G-BPEC (24882, 323) is younger than both of Silver Jet's 752s (24290, 212 and 24636, 259).

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
This seems feasiable as BA is continually receiving new short haul aircraft from Airbus and these could be used to replace 752's and 762's that currently operate on European flights and be switched to Transatlantic routes.

Also BA have seven 763s out on lease to QF (VH-ZXA to 'XG). When these leases expire BA have two choices - sell them or find a new use for them.


User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12847 times:

Hm.... I have my doubts....

How do they want to compete with LHs First Class Terminal for example? Imagine how much money they would have to spend for establishing an ops outside their home country (lounges, manpower, maintenance...), and all that for maybe 1 or 2 flights a day?

Sounds like a bad deal to me....


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12837 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 1):
Yes but they would need an extra Center Tank to fly across the Atlantic.

If it is all J/F there will be little baggage. More space for center tank, unless they want loads of cargo

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12776 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
Beat the new upstarts at their own game, the Eoss, Silver and Max Jets.



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 2):
BA is optimised for this approach; not only do they have an enviable reputation, their already impressive service levels can only improve on a dedicated F/J service, plus they have interline, alliance perks and their own frequent flier programme, some of which are lacking in the Premium-only carriers.

Yep, BA stands much stronger in this market than any of the new and hopeful all-J carriers

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
I do not think the likes of EOS and SilverJet need not worry as they have fares at about 50% lower that BA J class and about 20% of F class.

Oh I think they should worry (worry on top of already worrying about their business as it is now). The fare levels of Eos and SilverJet are not viable in an economic sense - rather, they are a necessity to attract customers. BA would offer so much more than these - for instance, Silver and Eos (and MAx) only offers one flight a day; not too attractive for many J-pax. Even if BA only offered once-a-day all J-flights, they would always be able to offer extra frequencies on their "normal" flights (via LHR).

Kevin777  Smile



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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 15):
How do they want to compete with LHs First Class Terminal for example? Imagine how much money they would have to spend for establishing an ops outside their home country (lounges, manpower, maintenance...), and all that for maybe 1 or 2 flights a day?

I think you miss the point..the HUB would be JFK serving LHR 6/7 times daily plus these new frequencies. Given that BA own JFK T7, not going to be an issue.

For a single all premium flight a day, facilities at any of the european airports would be fine. We are not talking about accomodating 300 pax on a flight. BA will have lounge facilities etc in place or codeshare facilities. OK, not like LH at FRA, but not lke BA at T5 either!

Worth a try I think anyway. There are certainly a significant number of premium travellers transiting LHR on BA to cross the pond, who could now fly direct and transit at JFK onto AA metal, so dont rule it out...yet...


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

Will they be using the same F/J product that they are currently using? It would be fun to see the club world seat and possibly FIRST class seat (dought it) on a narrowbody (ie. the 757).

Not often that you fly premium and get put at the back of the bus..........

-CXfirst



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User currently onlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12646 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 15):
Imagine how much money they would have to spend for establishing an ops outside their home country (lounges, manpower, maintenance...)

Ba already has staff, maintenance and lounges in FRA CDG and MAD which could easily absorb another couple of flights a day.

Quoting EDDB (Reply 15):
How do they want to compete with LHs First Class Terminal

There was no mention of First Class in the article, Business class and Premium economy.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 14):
Also BA have seven 763s out on lease to QF (VH-ZXA to 'XG).

Are these aircraft still owned by BA? I thought they went to a leasing company.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
I assume the BA 752's would have the range. Even though they have some of the first delivered

Although BA had some of the first B757, these were all sold to DHL. BA s 13 B757 are all ETOPS capable.


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12625 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
It seems BA has no interest in competing with European and US airlines for Economy traffic when the Open Skys treaty comes into effect next year, and only wants the cream of the crop.

A brilliant move, IMHO! The primary function of the airline, or any industry, is to make money! This sounds like one very astute approach, and their market clearly does exist. (For business class at least; for first, I haven't a clue!)

There is another thread asking if Delta has finally "gotten it right" with their new paint job, and their other minor changes in their inflight service. I wish those writers would compare the thinking process that went on in the BA board room in coming up with a decision to go for "the cream of the crop", with what appears to be going on at Delta. Make your product something the customer looks forward to using, and you are going to do well. The Asian airlines learned this ages ago (Singapore in the forefront), Swiss and Lufthansa put their toes into the Newark waters, and I can only wish BA success. Hope I get to use the service out of ATL one day.



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User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5014 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12598 times:

Quoting SkyGazer (Reply 4):
Parallels to Concorde anyone? BA will have all premium class service for LHR-JFK again, except subsonic this time  Wink

... though, I would put a  Sad after the subsonic  Wink.

-A.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12567 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
It seems BA has no interest in competing with European and US airlines for Economy traffic when the Open Skys treaty comes into effect next year, and only wants the cream of the crop.

Ironic considering BA are the ones driving down the yields in the trans-atlantic market by flooding the market with "cheap" seats. In virtually every city they serve, BA almost always has the most seats and cheapest fares. Maybe it would be a good thing for the industry if they pulled back a little.


User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2026 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12473 times:

I see a can of worms opening up here...

If BA does what I am reading here...there will be a serious Premium passenger war in Europe; which I believe will ultimately erode yields. Open skies is only as good as the access to the airports. There is no possible way that, say, Air France, will be able to operate LHR-JFK because of the slot restrictions at Heathrow. Absent an ability to compete in a like fashion; how does everyone here think that everyone else will respond?

I know how I would (as an armchair CEO and former airline manager...)...and it would be ugly for BA.

One thing is for certain: Premium only flights are only going to increase in number. It's become a very popular (and profitable) concept for those who have the services. However, BA's poaching in someone else's backyard...this is not going to go over well.

Before I give my answer; I'd like to know what everyone else thinks. I have a hunch I may end up starting a different thread with this one.

cheers,
baw716



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25 Atmx2000 : I don't think AA will be very happy about this. BA plans on acting like a international hub carrier out of JFK. US airlines would have a hard time ge
26 BlueShamu330s : As the lo-co's have done exactly the same thing to all legacy carriers over the past 20 years. I used to resent the likes of Easyjet coming along, bi
27 Jfk777 : When BA starts such service from CDG, FRA or other city flying a 767 is a sad statement against the 777 or A340 by the local airline. I think BA shoul
28 Rivet42 : I think this is the biggest problem. If BA are serious about this plan, they must be assuming that there are enough transatlantic business travellers
29 RayChuang : I'm not sure if British Airways wants to fly premium-class service using a 757-200--it would essentially turn into a "writ large" version of United Ai
30 Ozvirginuk : Not strictly true. AF, LH, BD, TP, IB all have loads of slots at LHR already, which they use for the European services. What's to stop them using tho
31 ComeAndGo : isn't the first class terminal designed for connecting traffic ? BA would serve originating traffic. And who says BA will fly from Frankfurt or Munic
32 Post contains images PlaneMad : Shame really. I'm sure Concorde would have benefitted out of Open Skies with more chance to get more passengers aboard especially in places like FRA!
33 Post contains images BA787 : This is fantastic news. It's not long ago that I made a suggestion similar to this but for their European network. I think BA really could embarass th
34 Comorin : It;s Concorde in Slo-Mo.... I'd rather fly upstairs in a 747 than a 757 across the Pond.
35 COEI2007 : Very interesting move from BA, if it happens. They are already focused on the J traveller already, as their 777's only have a small Y cabin. A 767 in
36 VV701 : As far as I know G-BNWE/VH-ZXA, 'WF/'XB and 'WG/'XC were sold by BA to Opal Leasing, immediately leased back by BA and then sub-leased by QF around t
37 Ha763 : The lack of codesharing and FFP tie-up on trans-atlantic flights is due to regulatory roadblocks, not becuase AA doesn't want to codeshare or link up
38 Baron52ta : This isn't even an original idea, ANA has those new 737's with premium seating right from the factory to do a similar operation
39 Post contains images Highflyer9790 : So i assume then we will be seeing BA 757s and maybe 767s with APB winglets?
40 Viscount724 : Even when the regulatory roadblocks disappear, would BA really benefit by codesharing on AA-operated flights to/from LHR? BA already has plenty of ca
41 GeorgiaAME : Competition is GOOD!!! If you provide a superior product that the customer wants to utilize, you do well. Period. I have read all the BS that the air
42 Baw716 : Forgive me for disagreeing with you. Of course, if you are or have been an airline analyst (as I have), if you bet on Economy, you lose every time. Y
43 B707Stu : OK, I don't think you're getting the point. Terminal 7 has limited gates. As it is if you arrive on IB's later flight from Madrid or BA around 6 - 7p
44 Hotelmode : T7 only has a capacity problem for aircraft larger than 767's, 757 and 767's can use 4 stands that 777/340's and 747s cant. It would only take chucki
45 Hotelmode : The slots those airlines hold are completely useless for LH operations, they will all be scheduled with 1hr turnrounds and spread through the day not
46 A340600 : How? The 767 is one of the most comfortable planes across the atlantic as long as airlines sensibly configure it. I'm sure the passengers won't care
47 Swiftski : That was the question. To which I said yes. St Johns IS across the atlantic, i.e. transatlantic. Therefore no need for this response... You're given
48 CXfirst : Would you want to fly an A320 to LHR in ClubEurope and then on the upper-deck Clubworld to JFK than a direct Clubworld flight to JFK on a 757? Anyone
49 FLVILLA : Bingo ! BA is King of corporate contracts. It would be pretty much guaranteed that BA would have lined up plenty of such contracts to make any EU mai
50 STT757 : For Western Europe-Northeast US flights the 757 is the perfect fit, then767-300 is too big and the A319 too small. Depending on how theynconfigure the
51 BWIA 772 : IMHO BA has the reputation and the customer base to make this plan best of luck to them
52 Hotelmode : Inside Info says Jet Blue have been given notice to quit their bit of T7 and BA are recruiting engineers at JFK for first time in 6 years,
53 Tsnamm : I thought UA was in T-7 with BA...1/2 and 1/2...along withUS/HP...
54 VV701 : My understanding is that BA leases the ground that T7 stands on at JFK and owns the terminal itself. Is this correct? I also understand that BA 'cont
55 Hotelmode : Sorry its not clear, Jet blue currently occupy some ramp space on the east side of T7 that apparently is BA's. DOnt know when UA's lease is up.
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