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AC New Routes From YUL  
User currently offlineMarkChief From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

Hi, I did a quick research here and I didn't find any information on the new routes that we can expect to see from YUL in a near future. Is there someone here that can inform me?

Cheers!

Marky Mark

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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Well YUL-FCO launches shortly. Beyond that, look for some Embraer flying in the northeast and into the Caribbean.

User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Lool for some more Caribbean routes, PLS and UVF has already been uploaded.

 praise 



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User currently offlineMarkChief From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 1):
Well YUL-FCO launches shortly.

...so any other international routes?


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6391 times:

I wish they'd reinstate YUL-ATL with at least a junglejet. Every time I do ATL-YUL on DL(ASA) it's loaded. AC's product, at least for me, has really turned around. I guess AC just doesn't think it's worth the metal. I'm glad to see they're picking up FCO.

[Edited 2007-05-20 23:16:18]


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

yul-AMS will come at some points old canadien route

User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 5):
yul-AMS will come at some points old canadien route

AC don't even do YYZ-AMS, let alone YUL.


User currently offlineMarkChief From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

...as we can read on Wikipedia.com

Future destinations
Aéroports de Montréal is currently examining new potential destinations to serve Montreal-Trudeau, which include: Geneva, Switzerland; Santiago, Chile; Tel Aviv, Israel; and Tokyo, Japan. There are also talks about improving the connection between the U.S. South and West.

I ask myself if these possible new routes can be viable in terms of load factors... but these possible routes show that YUL can be a good connection airport, along with YYZ for the east coast and YVR in the west.

Marky Mark


User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

Quoting MarkChief (Reply 7):
...as we can read on Wikipedia.com

Well, there you go!!!.....because, as we all know, if it's on Wikipedia then it must be true.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 8):
Well, there you go!!!.....because, as we all know, if it's on Wikipedia then it must be true.

Just because it's on wikipedia doesn't mean it's false either, calm down

I too would like to see them in ATL...would be good competition, and good for a bunch of Star A people


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

yul-Gva would work, yul-NRT not sure, Yul-TLV, OK, YUL-SCL once a week would do well...

yul-AMS is like yul FCO was a Canadien route that AC trying back again AMS is next and a real maybe BRU


User currently offlineCgagn From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
yul-Gva would work

Doesn't Swiss already cover that route, or is it Zurich?

C-GAGN



Widebodies flown on: A330-300,A340-300,A380-800,747-400,767-200ER,767-300ER,777-200A,777-200ER,777-200LR,777-300ER
User currently offlineCaribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1633 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

We're also waiting for YUL-BEY someday whenever the political Gods make it possible.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5920 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
yul-NRT not sure,

I think it could. Quebec has good trade with Japan mainly consisting of lumber, high-tech and aerospace. Also there is a strange cultrual relationship between Quebec and Japan. Tons of Quebecers come over here to study the arts. I actually work on a program for Quebec-Japan cultural/business/education exchange. It keeps us very busy. Most of them come from Montreal and the Laurantian. I can tell you if YUL-NRT started, it would be great for my business. I think though it would be a 787 route.

Personally I would love to see more AC in Japan.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineDrgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Aéroports de Montréal is currently examining new potential destinations to serve Montreal-Trudeau, which include: Geneva, Switzerland; Santiago, Chile; Tel Aviv, Israel; and Tokyo, Japan. There are also talks about improving the connection between the U.S. South and West.

Airports don't decide routes, airlines do. This would be a reference to the airport's air service development goals, presumably from among carriers with which the forecast teams deem there to be demand.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
YUL-SCL once a week would do well...

Once a week routes rarely work. YUL-SCL would need to be 3x weekly at least. That's a moot point though, there is no market for such service.



a.
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
YUL-SCL would need to be 3x weekly at least

It could be twice weekly, like JL does on YVR-MEX. I think the route is working for them.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 16):
It could be twice weekly, like JL does on YVR-MEX. I think the route is working for them.

YUL-SCL couldn't even be twice weekly. The market isn't there.

You are right that MEX works for JAL 2x a week. Royal Jordanian starts YUL-AMM this week, and it too will be 2x a week. There are many example where 2x-3x a week does work, but most of it caters to VFR and leisure traffic, of which YUL-SCL wouldn't be.



a.
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2253 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4928 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Royal Jordanian starts YUL-AMM this week

Aircraft will be an A340.

Also, Air Algerie will begin twice weekly service in June from Algiers with an A330-200

Quoting Caribb (Reply 12):
We're also waiting for YUL-BEY someday whenever the political Gods make it possible.

With Royal Jordanian starting service to Amman, and arriving in YUL as early as it is, it is providing the lebanese community of Montreal a viable alternate to fly to BEY.

One of the reasons why RJ is arriving in YUL at 7AM and leaving a couple of hours later is to arrive in Amman at 5AM in time for the connection to BEY.

[Edited 2007-05-21 16:47:01]


us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2253 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Royal Jordanian starts YUL-AMM this week

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us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7929 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 13):
I actually work on a program for Quebec-Japan cultural/business/education exchange. It keeps us very busy. Most of them come from Montreal and the Laurantian. I can tell you if YUL-NRT started, it would be great for my business. I think though it would be a 787 route.

Sure, but enough to fill 200 seats a day?! More like 200 seats a year, right? For which, these low-yield pax can fly via YYZ.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
Yul-TLV

I think you mean...

Quoting Caribb (Reply 12):
We're also waiting for YUL-BEY someday whenever the political Gods make it possible.

Beirut would be sold out, every flight, all summer. Terrible shame this never happened. I think it's too late now, Lebanon is drifting away from the west after what was done to them last summer. Bye bye pro-Western government, bye bye any accomodation with Israel, therefore USA. It was Washington that stopped this flight from happening when the coast was clear, they certainly won't allow it nowadays.

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 10):
YUL-SCL once a week would do well...

Sure, and Montreal to Dar Es Salaam would do equally well.



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User currently offlineQLS From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 17 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting Cgagn (Reply 11):
Doesn't Swiss already cover that route, or is it Zurich?

LX flies daily ZRH-YUL with an A330.
AC flies daily ZRH-YYZ with a B767 but no longer extends the route to DEL.

Geneva Airport has always claimed there is enough demand for GVA-YUL. There are indeed a lot of passengers flying through CDG (AF), AMS (KL), FRA (AC), ZRH (LX) to link both cities.

I am not sure however the point-to-point demand is sufficient to fly GVA-YUL non-stop. Maybe with a 767 but certainly not daily (something like 3 or 4/7). Furhermore it is difficult to transfer in GVA because LX hub is ZRH and it has only few European destinations ex GVA (BCN, MOW, ATH, ...).

QLS


User currently offlineYULMRS From France, joined Mar 2005, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

I've flown MRS-BRU-YUL a few times on sabena, flights were almost always full. YUL may be the 2nd route brussels airlines strats in North America after JFK if they go across the pond...

YUL-GVA may be, 3 times a week could work.

May be YUL-NCE too, some years ago AC was doing YUL-LHR-NCE, those flights were nice.  Wink

Why are we talking about SCL, i think GRU is a bigger market, and the new VARIG might re-enter star. This route might work 3 times a week too i think.



To any North American carrier, send us a regular flight in MRS !!!!!
User currently offlineSkywatcher From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 453 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

I doubt that YUL-SCL is viable. I flew MX last summer from YUL to Mexico city and I think they offer great connection opportunities to S.America. Lan Chile used to fly to YUL back in the eighties but it was a tag-on to a JFK routing. These don't often happen anymore with codeshares etc.

YUL-GVA would be possible but I think you'd see Air Transat on it first and for some reason it just doesn't happen.

YUL-Tokyo. Maybe in 10 or 20 years.

YUL-Tel Aviv. Both El Al and AC have flown this route in the past but once AC blew El Al off the route they also dropped it in favour of connections via YYZ. I quess this is the most efficient way to go now.

I think AC would most likely re-enter YUL-BRU on a seasonal basis, continue to lobby for YUL-Beruit (unlikely but why give up) and maybe try a few new U.S destinations with RJ's in the future.

Other than that, frequency boosts will likely be made to help take advantage of the recently surprisingly robust growth in the YUL market (+8.5% Q-1 '07).


User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

YUL will continue to grow YMX is dead and connexion possibility from other cities in Canada is good Yul is smaller than YYZ cost less and connection are efficient...

AMS, GVA, BRU, will come back to Yul For AC or European Carrier...


25 YOW : Again, why would AC ever do YUL-AMS when they don't even do YYZ-AMS? Leave the AMS flying to KL...and maybe down the road NW. With the new open skies
26 YULYMX : i dont care that AC doesn't to YYZ-AMS... that doesn't mean that YUL-AMS wouldn't work... there is some city in Europe that have a better fit with Mon
27 Noise : IMO, forget YUL-SLC for now. The only Transborder possibilities for YUL with AC I see are RDU, CLT, IAH, RSW, PBI, and maybe PHX in the future.
28 YULYMX : PBI is a seasonal week end from yul in the winter already i think
29 Noise : I don't think so, YULYMX. AC fly that route this year. Question: Considering Montreal is the #2 Canadian O/D market out of SLC, how the hell does Delt
30 MAH4546 : Not really. Mexicana does not have an extensive Latin American network.
31 FoxXray : Geneva to Montreal ??? no flights between those 2 cities...
32 YULYMX : Not yet
33 PavlovsDog : Didn't LanChile once have Montreal at the end of their SCL-XXX-MIA-JFK run? I imagine that was back in the day YUL was still the center of Canadian co
34 YULYMX : That was a long time ago in YMX i beleive, Lan chilie and Aero Argentina flew in Montreal with a Stop in JFK
35 Drgmobile : Statistics Canada just came out with 2005 transborder O&D stats. Some interesting stuff: Montreal, Que. 2004 outbound, inbound, total, 2005 outbound,
36 Nycfly75 : Although it doesnt sound as sexy as the other destinations discussed here, what are the chances of AC expanding into JFK beyond YYC and YVR. Im sure 2
37 Thenoflyzone : NY City airports seem to take the cake, followed by FLL, LAX, MIA, ORD, LAS, IAD/DCA, MCO, SFO, BOS, ATL and PHL.
38 YULWinterSkies : It is ZRH, but for some reason a lot of the pax on that flight seem to actually go to GVA... So, why not? Anyway I'd be among the ones who'll like it
39 Noise : Looking at those numbers, although there was a net increase in Transborder O/D traffic, most US markets from YUL saw decreased rather than increased
40 Flyb : Yes, SLC is just a good hub for transfering to other western (sometimes eastern) destinations. While O/D market isn't that strong out of these market
41 Drgmobile : Looking at those numbers, although there was a net increase in Transborder O/D traffic, most US markets from YUL saw decreased rather than increased t
42 Noise : The slow Transborder growth is probably the result of a higher Canadian dollar (for 2005). The new Passport rules we're implemented until this year.
43 Drgmobile : The slow Transborder growth is probably the result of a higher Canadian dollar (for 2005). The new Passport rules we're implemented until this year. I
44 CRJpurser : Starting June 1st, YUL-YQY returns with a daily CRJ flight on Air Canada Jazz.
45 FLYYUL : Its important to recognize the major AC expansion, that has led to the following new routes under 5 years Canada: Edmonton (now double daily) Sydney D
46 Skywatcher : Out of the top 25 YUL-USA markets, 15 showed growth and 10 a decline for '05 vs '04. Of the 10 that showed a delcine only one was in the top 10 market
47 Viscount724 : And QR GVA-EWR 4 times a week starting June 28 (DOH-GVA-EWR with A330-200). GVA airport data 3 or 4 years ago showed YUL among the top 3 or 4 origin/
48 Ucunnn2 : i double checked two ticket sites, and MX has special prices for connecting flights from YYZ or YVR to EZE, CCS and BOG... It offers connections from
49 FoxXray : Dont forget that Lyon has already 4 weekly flights to YUL and 2 weekly to YYZ with TS !
50 YULYMX : There Is IATA, SITA and OACI thay all have head offices in Montréal and Geneva/Lausanne Area
51 YOW : YUL-GVA seems like a good TS market to me and not something for AC.[Edited 2007-05-23 16:44:39]
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