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TK 787/350/777 Order Coming In September  
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9406 times:

According to the interview with TK Chairman Mr. Karlitekin in todays newspaper, the airline has started discussions with Airbus and Boeing to finalize the order and the decision will be made in September. The order will be for 20 firm and 10+ options with deliveries starting in 2014-2015 according to the article.
Here is the link to the article(in Turkish):http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/6541938.asp?yazarid=41

What do you guys think it will be? Given the history of TK's orders and the political BS it could very well be a mix order. Opinions and guesses are welcomed.


Gercekleri Tarih Yazar Tarihide Galatasaray
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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Thread starter):
Chairman Mr. Karlitekin

This guy is pretty crazy he said that in some years they´ll be bigger than LH !

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 


But I think this will be a political order , maybe Sarko and Merkel get them to order Airbus and get for it maybe a better chance to join the EU ...

Just a thought


Konstantin


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9302 times:

I think this is one of those orders that indeed will be heavily influenced by politics. Time will tell...

A388


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9302 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 1):
But I think this will be a political order , maybe Sarko and Merkel get them to order Airbus and get for it maybe a better chance to join the EU ...

It'll take more than a few planes to get Turkey into the EU. I can this order going either way really, both the 787 and 350 make sense, although it might make more sense to be flying the 330/350 than the 330/787.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Thread starter):
deliveries starting in 2014-2015 according to the article.

Why order 777s for deliveries in 2015?

Quoting A388 (Reply 2):
I think this is one of those orders that indeed will be heavily influenced by politics.

Possibly. Expect the usual a.net rethoric upon the announcement.

An A350 order = Pure politics.
A 787 order = The A350 is wrong size, time, tech, etc.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25786 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9087 times:

I would not hold my breath on this one for a September decision, however TK has been seriously reviewing new long haul aircraft since 2005.

Honestly as this stage the decision could go either way, and yes even with THY becoming privatised politics will play a role in the decision making process.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9050 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 1):
This guy is pretty crazy he said that in some years they´ll be bigger than LH !

I missed that! Where and when did he say that?

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 5):
I would not hold my breath on this one for a September decision, however TK has been seriously reviewing new long haul aircraft since 2005.

You are right as they have been delaying this for a while, but I expect the order in 2007. Just a gut feeling Smile



Gercekleri Tarih Yazar Tarihide Galatasaray
User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9017 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 6):

I missed that! Where and when did he say that?

I read that last year in an Interview made ti him by Aero ( a german
aviation magazine) , that was a laugh !
Typical...


Konstantin


User currently onlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1450 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9017 times:

I read the article too... My vote goes for the A350 as it would make more sense to operate them side by side with the A330. However, TK might want to get a couple of A346s for NRT and JFK as demand for these two flights are usually very high...

Don't forget that there is still the long waited regional aircraft order!!!

On another issue, we will have a new government by September (wishing AKP will not be in power anymore but most likely there will be a CHP/DSP and AKP coalition). This might affect the decision as well....



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8970 times:

dude, if we get those planes, that basically falls right when i make left seat  Smile score!! i have about 5 years left till 4 stripes....as well as WING i think  Smile so this should be pretty damn exciting  Smile


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8865 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 8):
TK might want to get a couple of A346s for NRT and JFK

Then the A350-1000 would make more sense.

I'd like to see TK order the A350, particularly the long range variant of the A350-900 and start non-stop SYD-IST flights thus becoming the gateway to Europe for Australia. Their direct European connections and options would beat SQ, QF, EK, CX, MH etc.

To me the A350-1000, A350-900LR, A350-900 and A350-800 make more sense than 777-300ER, 777-200LR (with and without extra belly tanks) and 787-900. But if they need a craft in the class of the 787-800 then Airbus has nothing to offer other than the A330-200 which TK already operate and could continue to do so. Maybe a mix of A350 and 787 could be plausible and politically pragmatic.

IMHO of course
MH



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 10):
Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 8):
TK might want to get a couple of A346s for NRT and JFK

Then the A350-1000 would make more sense.

Definitly, and would tie into the 2015 delivery time frame. However if the airline wants to expand capacity in the short term, some A340-600s might be a good solution.

Are the A330s RR powered?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8802 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):

Are the A330s RR powered?

GE powered.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 8):
TK might want to get a couple of A346s for NRT and JFK as demand for these two flights are usually very high...

I'm not familiar with all the technical facts but I don't think that the the runway at IST is long enough for a fully loaded A346. But correct me if I'm wrong.

In my opinion the decision is done already. TK will go for A350. If you look at their current fleet you'll see a huge Boeing short-haul and an all-Airbus long-haul fleet. And as some of you already mentioned political reasons may influence the decision very high.

just my 2 kurus  twocents   Big grin


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8723 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 13):

I'm not familiar with all the technical facts but I don't think that the the runway at IST is long enough for a fully loaded A346.

At 9,842 feet or 3 kilometres, it should be. Because of its increased power to weight ratio (when compared with the 200 and 300 series) its performance is better and a full A343 has no problems at IST (as far as I know).

MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8686 times:

With deliveries to start in 2014-15, there is no reason to order the obsolescent and expensive 777. This will go to either the A350 or the 787.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
With deliveries to start in 2014-15, there is no reason to order the obsolescent and expensive 777. This will go to either the A350 or the 787.

One agrument for the 777 is that it could possibly be offered by Boeing as an interm aircraft, but this may not be nessessary in this case.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 67
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
Why order 777s for deliveries in 2015?

Why are carriers ordering the A332 for delivery in 2010?



Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8563 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 17):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
Why order 777s for deliveries in 2015?

Why are carriers ordering the A332 for delivery in 2010?

Generally one of the folowing:
1. They are adding to existing A330 fleets.
2. They are unable to get 787 or A350 slots in 2010.

Neither of which apply to the case discussed in this thread.

[Edited 2007-05-21 00:20:34]

User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 67
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8523 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
2. They are unable to get 787 or A350 slots in 2010.

Are you sure this wouldn't apply to the A3510 slots in 2015 vs a 773ER order as well? Absolute statements are such final things.



Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 19):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
2. They are unable to get 787 or A350 slots in 2010.

Are you sure this wouldn't apply to the A3510 slots in 2015 vs a 773ER order as well? Absolute statements are such final things.

Im pretty sure that if you order an A3510 or 773ER now, you can secure slots for them in 2015.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 67
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
Im pretty sure that if you order an A3510 or 773ER now, you can secure slots for them in 2015.

Pretty sure about the 773ER, not sure about the A3510 given its lack of definition and program commitment. Even assuming that A3510 is wildly popular, TK could be out of luck if they delay their decision and the early line positions are sold out, vis-a-vis carriers ordering the 787 today.



Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 21):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
Im pretty sure that if you order an A3510 or 773ER now, you can secure slots for them in 2015.

Pretty sure about the 773ER, not sure about the A3510 given its lack of definition and program commitment.

The A350 will have design freeze next year IIRC.

What makes you so sure that they are refering to the A3510 anyway?


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 67
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 22):
What makes you so sure that they are refering to the A3510 anyway?

If you need the seating capacity of the 773ER, an A359 will leave you quite a bit short.

Let's see where we are in five years or so when the first A350's start becoming available.



Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 23):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 22):
What makes you so sure that they are refering to the A3510 anyway?

If you need the seating capacity of the 773ER, an A359 will leave you quite a bit short.

I should have added - or the 773ER for that matter? THY could easily have the A359/772LR/789 in mind.


25 OldAeroGuy : Well, if you want a 300 seater to fly less than 8500 nm, then you're in the 789/A359 catergory as they will eclipse the 772ER. Since you brought up t
26 ThereAndBack : The long haul fleet is now all Airbus. If they want to keep it that way they will order the A350. I personally would like to see an A350 order. But IM
27 EI321 : I was just quoting the thread title. I would be surprised if they are considering 777s for delivery in that timeframe, considering what else is on of
28 OldAeroGuy : Many things can happen in five years and the best laid plans can change. It might be more important for both A and B to commit resources to a single
29 ThereAndBack : Do any of you think they will have a first class on these new planes?
30 1stfl94 : Didn't they used to have a First Class back when they first got the A340s????
31 TK787 : ThereAndBack, I can't see first class in TKs plans, and no they don't have a first class product on the 340s. It would be nice to see if they improve
32 ThereAndBack : I highly doubt that because there are cabin photos on myaviation.net of the A340's that are still old style and you can't see tourquoise from the win
33 Zvezda : That's not how the market works. That airlines need aircraft with a particular number of seats is an A.net myth. Airlines first look for aircraft wit
34 707lvr : Turkey needs every bit of good will that it can muster in the EU if it wants in. Buying a couple of billion dollars worth of Boeing jets would be a ve
35 MotorHussy : Yes, they've already made their concessions to the U.S. by allowing them to fly terror suspects in and out for questioning so as to avoid American so
36 Gokmengs : As much as I would like politics to not be a factor in this, it will be a factor. A look at TK's current routes and the ones that they are looking to
37 Jacobin777 : ...both of whom do not want Turkey to be in the EU (read it on BBC.com a few days ago)....
38 Gokmengs : Political BS aside, can anyone shed light to what the order will/should be? If they go 787 what variants fits TK's needs? If they go 350 what variants
39 EI321 : Looking at their current fleet, the 788, 789, A358, & A359 would all make sense. If TK are looking to expand, then the A3510 and 7810 cant be ruled o
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...I finally agree with you... all of those planes would make sense in the fleet...some larger planes such as the A350 will suit TK well and some of
41 Gokmengs : Its no secret that TK looked for larger capacity aircraft(they even looked at 747 couple years ago) they have some routes that they can use the aircr
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