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2 'Arab' Carriers To Sign For 787s.  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13099 times:

According to Mr. Monson ( Boeing senior vice president for sales Africa and Middle East), Boeing will announce 2 agreements for 787 sales at the Paris Air Show.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...sion=1&template_id=48&parent_id=28

"Two other agreements for Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner planes that are close to be finalised with an undisclosed Gulf airliner would be announced at the Paris air show, Monson said."


Airlines that come to mind and who have previously said they're expecting a decision soon on new aircraft purchases are Kuwait Airways, Qatar and the new airline of Ras-al-Khamein (is that correct?).


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13076 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Airlines that come to mind and who have previously said they're expecting a decision soon on new aircraft purchases are Kuwait Airways, Qatar and the new airline of Ras-al-Khamein

I wouldn't be so quick to rule out EK.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13035 times:

RAK Airways would be a good guess- they are currently searching 757-captains and are in start-up mode.
No major route-info availabe on their web-page other than some sheduled flights to Iran and India.

http://www.rakairways.com/index.aspx



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12968 times:

Is Oman still looking or did they firm up the A330 deal? And we know that RJ will lease 787s - have they placed a firm order with Boeing yet?

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12834 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
we know that RJ will lease 787s - have they placed a firm order with Boeing yet?

Yes, RJ confirmed that a UFO order is theirs.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...=conews&tkr=BA:US&sid=aVtFql44HwWU


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29694 posts, RR: 84
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12241 times:
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I suppose GF might choose the 787 to replace their 767-300s, but I would expect them to add more A332s to do so on lease and then take the A350.

And with QR taking some 80 A350s, what do they need the 787 for? They will need to add capacity across the board just to try and stave off the EK juggernaut so going from A332s to A358s and A333s to A359s. Unless they want 8 787-3s to replace the A306 fleet, but that seems unlikely to me.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11474 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
I wouldn't be so quick to rule out EK.

Hey Zvezda, do you know something we don't?  Wink

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11413 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
I suppose GF might choose the 787 to replace their 767-300s, but I would expect them to add more A332s to do so on lease and then take the A350.

GF have already stated they will become "an all Airbus operator" to cut down on costs, etc.....so I highly doubt it will be them...

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
And with QR taking some 80 A350s, what do they need the 787 for?

....maybe a smaller plane than any A350's... Wink



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

There are many possibilities.

Emirates
Kuwait
Saudi
Gulfair
etc etc etc


User currently offlineKbdude From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

Well the article seems to imply its not RJ or Alafco...... (doesn't Kuwait Airways usually get a few planes from Alafco)

so, my 2 cents...

QR will ID themselves as the UFO of 30x787 & 5x777F ordered on April 5th.
Saudi for about 10x787 .... and however unlikely... some 747-8.


User currently offlineRwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10795 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 8):
There are many possibilities.

Emirates
Kuwait
Saudi
Gulfair
etc etc etc

Since SV didn't start braging and that they usually are late in ordering new aricraft.. I doubt it.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29694 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10393 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):


Quoting Stitch,reply=5:
And with QR taking some 80 A350s, what do they need the 787 for?

...maybe a smaller plane than any A350's...  Wink

I'm not sure QR can afford to have something smaller then the A350, as they'll need to grow to survive in the shadow of EK.

So I think they want so many A350s because they want to significantly increase their capacity by going from the A330-200 to the A350-800 and the A330-300 to the A350-900 and then adding A350-1000's to supplement their 777-300ER fleet.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10041 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
I'm not sure QR can afford to have something smaller then the A350, as they'll need to grow to survive in the shadow of EK.

...QR isn't like EK in that QR does have single-isle jets such as the A32X/A32X-LR..so for them, a smaller plane wouldn't be unusual....



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
And with QR taking some 80 A350s, what do they need the 787 for?

Did QR finally firm up their A350 order?  Confused

They would not want the 787 for their shorter less traveled routes?

As far as the topic... I would say one of them is going to be SV, EK, or QR. As for what another member stated... I know GF has stated they want to be an all Airbus carrier.



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User currently offlineDank From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 867 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9565 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
Quoting Manni (Thread starter):Airlines that come to mind and who have previously said they're expecting a decision soon on new aircraft purchases are Kuwait Airways, Qatar and the new airline of Ras-al-Khamein
I wouldn't be so quick to rule out EK.

Now it's unclear to me if the article means any 787 variant when they say 787-8, but if it's -8s, I would highly doubt EK (in reference to these "Arab" carriers (which doesn't mean that they won't announce 787s, but not the one's that were specified here).

cheers.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 13):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
And with QR taking some 80 A350s, what do they need the 787 for?

Did QR finally firm up their A350 order?

They have stated that they intend to sign at the Paris Airshow.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8092 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9346 times:
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Saudia and Emirates are known to be expanding and replacing their fleets. Saudia is not going to miss out on the 787, they have 777 and are happy with them. EK will probably buy both the 787 and the A350, it just seems to be what they do.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9322 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
EK will probably buy both the 787 and the A350, it just seems to be what they do.

That was my original thought, although Emirates have said that they will not order both.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1751 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
Saudia is not going to miss out on the 787, they have 777 and are happy with them.

I am not very sure Saudia is happy with the 777. Sometimes, its too big for their routes they fly. The A332/787-sized jets would be perfect for their preferences. Maybe HiJazzey knows more about Saudia, but I would assume that the 787-sized planes are the right type for that airline.



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User currently offlineBigJKU From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9296 times:

I honestly do not get the need for all the attention by the various Arabian airlines out there. They remind me of a spolied child at a party that demands everyone stop what they are doing and watch them do their little dance routine. I get that publicity, especially free publicity, is good but they just seem to take it to another level.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9170 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 18):
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
Saudia is not going to miss out on the 787, they have 777 and are happy with them.

I am not very sure Saudia is happy with the 777. Sometimes, its too big for their routes they fly. The A332/787-sized jets would be perfect for their preferences.

Werent they originally intending to order A330s just before the 777 order was placed?


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9107 times:

I hope MEA has some type of deal in this. Doubt it, but its still in my dreams.

User currently offlineNewq8 From Kuwait, joined May 2007, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8465 times:

I think Kuwait airways

and also we have new airline in kuwait that should start working end of this year it is name Kuwait National Airways

maybe they will have someting with boeing


User currently offlineKULatICT From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8018 times:

how shocking it would be if Iran Air (or whatever they are called) buys the 787?

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Perhaps one of the two maybe Emirates or Qatar.


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25 PC12Fan : Possible 787-10 launch?
26 PM : Not terribly likely - or relevant since Iranians aren't 'Arabs'.
27 Acey559 : MEA was one of the first airlines I thought of, too. I'm not really that knowledgeable on this particular subject, but are they due for a fleet upgra
28 Manni : MEA flies a fleet of A330s and A321s and have recently (december 2006) ordered more A330s. I doubt it very much that it is MEA that's being talked ab
29 PM : Nope. They currently fly three A332s. Two are leased from ILFC and, I think, one was bought direct from Airbus. They also have three new A332s on ord
30 Post contains images Acey559 : Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if they still flew Airbus aircraft or not since I don't know too much about the airline. Thanks for the h
31 Zvezda : Yes, a 787-10 launch at Le Bourget is possible. Hopefully, Boeing have the MTOW up to about 560,000 lbs.
32 CHI787ORD : Im thinking KU for sure... maybe Saudi? or a new Iraqi Airways?
33 AA1818 : How many frames would these carriers need. Would these be big orders? Cheers AA1818
34 Behramjee : Saudia & Kuwait Airways are my top 2 pics for the following reasons : KU had mentioned in Feb that in June it will be placing an order for 34 aircraft
35 EI321 : I think the 788 would be good for Saudi, and the fact that their 772's are not very old means that 2012 delivery should not be a problem.
36 Gr8Circle : What about Oman Air? Could be in the running.....
37 SunriseValley : I am rather out of touch where the power plant suppliers are at for this segment. What is the latest?
38 Stitch : The top end GE engine is the GEnx-1B75 at 75,000lbs thrust. The top end RR engines are the Trent 1000-J and Trent 1000-K, both with 73,800lbs thrust.
39 Jacobin777 : IIRC, wasn't the top end going to be around 80-8klbs thrust or is that just a possible theoretical number given the technology of GE's double-spool e
40 Stitch : The GEnx-1B75 is the most powerful engine in current design. I expect GE can take it to the nearside of 80,000lbs, which I am guessing should be enou
41 SunriseValley : So , has GE signed on yet for the A350 ? I was under the impression that they had not committed yet. What is going to power the A350-1000 or is that d
42 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..ok..thanks Stich, so my "ballpark" figures weren't too far off.. .....interesting.. ...ostensibly, this basically all but rules them out for the A3
43 Jfk777 : Given the appetite Qatar, Etihad and Emirates have for airplanes nothing would surprise me. The established airlines like Saudia and Kuwait need new p
44 Post contains images HiJazzey : They were given an offer they can't refuse I would be shocked if Boeing aren't talking to Saudia. They are desperate for planes. Older planes have be
45 Post contains images CV580Freak : Just ordered new A330's Oh dear
46 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Kuwait appear close to a decision if the following report is correct, it is a fair use excerpt from a subscriber service but also available via a yaho
47 PM : "Buy"? Lease?! Either way, does that mean that these aren't new orders?
48 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : Seemingly not new 787 orders as KU owns part of ALAFCO IIRC, there are 7 x A320 options attached as well but as best I can make from the arabic repor
49 Post contains images HughesAirwest : We all know that EK is about as predictable as one winning the lottery. I too would not rule EK.... QR may still go with the 787, they did finally fi
50 HiJazzey : " target=_blank>http://www.alwatan.com.kw/Default.as...Id=39 Thanks for the link, PanAm_DC10. It is a poorly written article, but that is expected in
51 PanAm_DC10 : HiJazzy thank you very much for the clarification and your observations on the article. I guess we'll have to await a formal announcement but that se
52 Post contains links Aminobwana : I think that this report from REUTERS could help http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...-23_L0445552&type=comktNews&rpc=44 aminobwana
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