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TAM/Lufthansa Signed Cooperation MoU  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

SAO PAULO, Brazil, May 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- TAM (Bovespa: TAMM4 and NYSE: TAM) and Lufthansa signed a Memorandum of Understanding today, in a starting point for a possible close cooperation. In the coming months, the two companies will examine various forms of cooperation. The first step will be the implementation of codesharing on domestic and international routes. Other possibilities include the optimization of the two companies' flight schedules and linking TAM's frequent flyer program, Fidelidade, with Lufthansa's Miles & More, as well as reciprocal sharing of VIP lounges in a number of airports.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070521/spm002.html?.v=33

[Edited 2007-05-21 20:33:13]

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

So, could this be JJ's possible first step into Star Alliance?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4055 times:
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
So, could this be JJ's possible first step into Star Alliance?

If we consider the recent agreements with UA and TP, could be.
TAM agreements with AF and AA never were so complete as those negotiated with Star carriers.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
TAM agreements with AF and AA never were so complete

I think they have similar cooperation status as to those planned with UA and LH with the AF deal?


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2993 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

could open more destinations out of GRU for LH customers. wasn't there a discussion months ago about the come-back of JJ to FRA?

I think JJ is on the way to enter the big alliance...


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
So, could this be JJ's possible first step into Star Alliance?

More like the third step. The first 2 being the agreements they recently signed with TP and UA. They're also looking to sign a similar agreement with ANA. Call me crazy but I find it increasingly more difficult to continue to say that TAM is not interested in joining any alliance  Smile

If they were to join *A, it would be great for all parties involved. *A sorely lacks a presence in S.America so TAM would be a very strong member of the alliance. And with TP, LH, UA not interested in expanding operations to S.America, that puts TAM in an even better position within that alliance.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):
Call me crazy but I find it increasingly more difficult to continue to say that TAM is not interested in joining any alliance

Well, I agree with you, however, TAM President restated today during the press conference that TAM has no interest in joining an alliance and will continue its drive for bilateral agreements. I also think that UA+LH agreement are very comprehensive and certainly overide TAM's current agreement with AF and AA, the later will not even be renenewed.
As Lipe mentioned, TAM agreement with UA and LH are much more comprehensive that the current arrangement TAM has with AF, KL and AA.

LH, on its turn, restated its invitation for TAM to join *A, in a very open and public invitation in front of the press! In my view it is a matter of time for TAM to join *A, and this will certainly undermine AF current expansion drive in Brazil since they will need a new partner in the country. I have my doubts whether AF-KL will ever manage to keep its current capacity in Brazil without a local partner. Note that AF alrady loaded the second daily GIG-CDG while KL has just announced that GRU will be the inaugural destinations of its B77W, which means that AF-KL will operate daily in Brazil 2 x B77W + 1 x B747 + 2 A330. Will AF-KL manage to keep this capacity without TAM?

TAM officially stated that FRA is in its plans and we could expect GRU-FRA very soon given that RG still has 7 unused weekly frequencies. This also explains TAM recent lease of bigger planes A345 so as to maximise the lack of frequencies by offering bigger capacity birds.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 5):
And with TP, LH, UA not interested in expanding operations to S.America, that puts TAM in an even better position within that alliance.

You better reword your statement: no interest in expansion in South America, except Brazil: TAP has just announced increased flights to GIG and GRU in addition to a new destination in Brazil: LIS-BSB 5 x week (ahead bookings are shwoing great loads); UA will launch IAD-GIG nonstop starting Oct/2007; while LH-LX continue its stronghold in GRU: in addition to LH daily FRA-GRU B747, LX increased ZRH-GRU from 5 x week to 6 x week, and LH launched MUC-GRU.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3756 times:
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Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 3):
I think they have similar cooperation status as to those planned with UA and LH with the AF deal?

Let's see:

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Resource / Partnership ---------------- AF -------- AA ------ TP ------ UA ------- LH
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Accrual FF miles on ALL flights----- no --------- yes ----- yes ----- yes* ----- yes*
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Code-share ALL flights------------------ no --------- no ------- yes ----- yes* ---- yes*
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Unlimited seats on flights -------------- no -------- no ------- yes ----- yes* ---- yes*
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Connecting C class can use F/C --- yes ------- no*2----- yes ----- yes* ---- yes*
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Use of Lounges on Hubs --------------- ??? ------- no*3 ---- yes ----- yes* ---- yes*
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* Only said that they will, but as a MOU, nothing confirmed yet.
*2 - AA never confirms to TAM F class seats while customer is flying on C, only F class customers can fly domestic F
*3 - AA only lounge available is SCL due to special agreement. JJ does not offer it's lounge for AA customers. I don't know which lounge JJ uses at CDG, At LHR they use KLM lounge, at EZE, American Express, at JFK, VS lounge, at MIA, BA lounge.

Also AA does not grant connecting flights for JJ8074/8075 FOR-BEL-MAO-MIA flight and does not offer code-share on their AA904/905 GIG-MIA service.

AA only offer a very limited number of seats to TAM, with few exceptions, including MCO.

Hope it's clear how *A partners agreement is better.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Now it is official. TAM asked to ANAC 14 weekly flights and the expactation is to operate 14 weekly at once!

User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 8):
Now it is official. TAM asked to ANAC 14 weekly flights and the expactation is to operate 14 weekly at once!

14 weekly flights to where?

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
14 weekly flights to where?

Aloha,
HALFA

14 weekly flights to FRA.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 10):
14 weekly flights to FRA.

And TAM plans to start 14 weekly flights to FRA as soon as possible. We could see TAM landing in FRA twice daily already in 2007. I seriously think that TAM will relocate at least one of the 3 daily flights from CDG to FRA. I also hope one of the FRA flights will operate GIG-FRA.

More than 60% of TAM pax flying to CDG connect onwards, all will probably be routed via FRA. It will reduce density of CDG operations. We could soon expect AF to terminate its agreement with TAM and perhaps approach G3-RG.

Rgs,


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
I seriously think that TAM will relocate at least one of the 3 daily flights from CDG to FRA. I also hope one of the FRA flights will operate GIG-FRA.

That's actually a way a see them maintaining the 3 daily flights to CDG. If they route 7 frequencies to FRA nonstop from GIG or if they develop REC as a Northeastern minihub as feed for a possible REC-CDG. MAO-BEL-REC, SLZ-REC, THE-REC, FOR-REC, NAT-REC, JPA-REC, MCZ-REC AJU-REC and SSA-REC all in time for immediate connection to the REC-CDG.

So, that would leave them with

7 GIG-CDG
7 GRU-CDG
7 REC-CDG
14 GRU-FRA

or

7 GIG-CDG
14 GRU-CDG
7 GIG-FRA
7 GRU-FRA

or both combined

7 GIG-CDG
7 GRU-CDG
7 REC-CDG
7 GIG-FRA
7 GRU-FRA

The latter is also the healthiest alternative.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 12):
7 GIG-CDG
7 GRU-CDG
7 REC-CDG
7 GIG-FRA
7 GRU-FRA

The latter is also the healthiest alternative

I cannot see JJ keeping 3 daily flights to CDG without partnership with AF. Currently more than 60% of JJ pax connect onwards in CDG to other destinations. In other words, JJ would have to reduce capacity to CDG in at least 60% which will make it hard for TAM to keep even 2 daily flights in CDG.

Also you have to consider that perhaps AF will team up with G3+RG which could then start operations to CDG making TAM situation even harder. In case G3+RG start flights to CDG in cooperation with AF I can only see TAM maintaining one daily GRU-CDG flight.

We can expect TAM to concentrate all its efforts in developing FRA as its main hub. Considerting JJ-LH agreement is far more comprehensive than AF (involving full codeshare), you can expect that TAM could easily keep 4 daily flights in FRA. Of course, this would come in detriment of TAM's hub in CDG.

Rgs,


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
You better reword your statement: no interest in expansion in South America, except Brazil:

I think that was too obvious and it could go without saying  Smile

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 12):
That's actually a way a see them maintaining the 3 daily flights to CDG. If they route 7 frequencies to FRA nonstop from GIG or if they develop REC as a Northeastern minihub

According to TAP's Fernando Pinto, the plan is to develop BSB as a South American hub. GRU and GIG will always stand on their own as O&D cities. If you ask me, it makes some sense to use a relatively modern and uncongested airport to start an international hub.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Is it only me or are there more people out there that think that the North American market is being left out? With the dollar so low, Brazilian will invade the USA this summer, but so far there's is no sign of expansion besides JJ in December with a GIG-MIA flight.
I think JJ won't have breath for a new extensive expansion next year. They are going to receive new planes, but they also have to return the 3 MD-11. JJ is leaving a void in the North American market and there is no reason for a bilateral expansion, since there are still 70 unused frequencies on the Brazilian side. Interesting enough is the fact that destinations in Southern US allow daylight flights to Southeastern Brazil. G3 might send RG not only to the traditional gateways, MIA and JFK, if the European market becomes too restrictive, specially if the visa waiving proposal for American, Canadian, Japanese, Australian and New Zealander citizens is approved. G3 will have their lobbyist take care of that. In the future we could see CNF-MIA, GIG/GRU-MCO, GIG/GRU-BOS and GIG/GRU-YVR perhaps. Forget about yields. They will be corrupted anywhere they go, if the current expansion keep up this pace. The days of high profitability are counted.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
... BSB as... to use a relatively ... and uncongested airport...

That's new for me.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4033 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
Is it only me or are there more people out there that think that the North American market is being left out?

That is a consequence of the rampant anti-Americanism of the Brazilian Gov't. Brazil hands out frequencies left and right to countries that openly support their carriers financially, such as Qatar and the UAE. Meanwhile the US-Brazil market, which is the most important international market out of Brazil, is full of restrictions that in effect damage the Brazilian economy and the flow of tourists from the US.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
I cannot see JJ keeping 3 daily flights to CDG without partnership with AF. Currently more than 60% of JJ pax connect onwards in CDG to other destinations. In other words, JJ would have to reduce capacity to CDG in at least 60% which will make it hard for TAM to keep even 2 daily flights in CDG.

I said that it was the only way I could see them keeping the flights, but it doesn't mean that I think they will. My idea can seem somehow far-fetched, but is possible. Interline exists for a reason and I am sure AF won't have problems receiving JJ pax for onward connections. They just won't send them any of theirs. JJ can concentrate efforts all they want, but frequencies won't fall from the sky. There must be a really good reason for JJ be moving to FRA just for the fun of it. There are costs involved in downsizing CDG and creating a new and big base from scratch for a route that for itself isn't consolidated for that particular carrier. JJ could have married AF-KLM, which would have brought the same effects with less costs.

[Edited 2007-05-22 15:21:13]

User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 18):
JJ could have married AF-KLM, which would have brought the same effects with less costs.

With the very big difference the interest of AF/KL is getting pax to Brazil and then handing them over to JJ; while JJ is interested in collecting pax in Europe that is collected by LH and TP.
This is a big difference because the money is obviously on the long haul sectors.

If AF/KL divorces from JJ I can image KLM will look into AMS-EZE and AF will investigate whether a deal cal be made with GOL. We might see these developments in 2007 already; but is JJ is going to cut its ties with AA and AF/KL at the start of the IATA winter season; we should definitely see signs of those carriers investigating the possibilities of serving Brazil.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
With the very big difference the interest of AF/KL is getting pax to Brazil and then handing them over to JJ; while JJ is interested in collecting pax in Europe that is collected by LH and TP.
This is a big difference because the money is obviously on the long haul sectors.

The agreement with JJ was not recent and I am sure that AF would have agreed to an extensive agreement just like the pretended with LH, if JJ was willing to join Skyteam. I am almost sure AF always gave JJ a cold shoulder, because they weren't interested in joining Skyteam and that was the way they tried to force JJ into rethinking it through. At that time, Star had Varig and Oneworld had LAN, there was no space for JJ there.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
According to TAP's Fernando Pinto, the plan is to develop BSB as a South American hub. GRU and GIG will always stand on their own as O&D cities. If you ask me, it makes some sense to use a relatively modern and uncongested airport to start an international hub.

???? Could not get your point.

BSB is very congested, things got a bit better after the second runway, but still BSB is a bigger hub than GIG: it is ranked as Brazil's no. 3 airport after CGH and GRU. GIG is no. 4. Of the four airports, the only one uncongested is GIG, with spare capacity of about 30% at least.

Also, the only flights from BSB to other South American destination is BSB-POA-EZE. I dont see how TAP would want to develop BSB as a hub for South America. It wont work, simple as that. The strategy of TAP was to developed BSB as a hub for O&D in addition to connections to Mid-West and North Brazil, especially GYN, BEL and MAO.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 15):
With the dollar so low, Brazilian will invade the USA this summer, but so far there's is no sign of expansion besides JJ in December with a GIG-MIA flight.

No sign of expansion? JJ already stated it will operate GIG-MIA and has shown interest in starting LAX-GRU. In addition, starting October 2007 we will have at least the following daily seasonal operations: AA GIG-MIA, UA IAD-GRU, DL ATL-GRU. AR will also operate GRU-MIA using 5th freedom rights.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
If AF/KL divorces from JJ I can image KLM will look into AMS-EZE and AF will investigate whether a deal cal be made with GOL.

Perhaps, but I find it hard for KL to operate AMS-EZE nonstop. I dont the see yields in the route. Currently max 15 pax flying KL are connected to EZE with TAM. I cannot see KLM also rerouting EZE via GRU sice GRU is taking all the loads of the flight. We could expect, however, AF to increase further capacity to EZE deploying the B77W. In the meanwhile, KL already announced it will launch the B77W in AMS-GRU on 02 March 2008 - its first B77W destination.

Rgs,


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 16):
That's new for me.

Didn't BSB just built a new runway? That should have elimitated any congestion that it had. What about the new expansion of the passenger terminal?

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 17):
Meanwhile the US-Brazil market, which is the most important international market out of Brazil, is full of restrictions that in effect damage the Brazilian economy and the flow of tourists from the US.

Restriction to whom? Why would the Brazilian government open up the restriction to US carriers before it can have a Brazilian carrier capable of competing in the market? Let TAM and possibly RG expand and solidify their N.American operations then we can talk about lifting the restrictions on foreign carriers.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 18):
JJ could have married AF-KLM, which would have brought the same effects with less costs.

Not the same, and who said AF-KL were interested? AF-KL serve other S.American destinations from their hubs and would not need JJ as much. AF-KL were interested only in having a Brazilian feeding carrier for their flight to/from Europe, nothing more.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 21):
No sign of expansion? JJ already stated it will operate GIG-MIA and has shown interest in starting LAX-GRU. In addition, starting October 2007 we will have at least the following daily seasonal operations: AA GIG-MIA, UA IAD-GRU, DL ATL-GRU. AR will also operate GRU-MIA using 5th freedom rights.

Well, interest is not enough. It was either FRA or LAX. Last time I checked FRA won. Well, AA alternates frequencies between GRU-DFW and GIG-MIA, isn't? That's relocation. You mean IAD-GIG, not GRU, which is not an increase, since the second daily GRU-IAD used to be seasonal too. That extra GRU-ATL last year was temporary as far as I know and hasn't been scheduled to return. Don't make me laugh at AR. A310 GRU-MIA-GRU both-ways daylight. Are they lining up to be slaughtered? That extra capacity will be used exactly by the extra demand it creates, since they will have to work with travel agencies by selling bulk tickets, keeping the price at the minimum authorised by ANAC.

[Edited 2007-05-22 17:50:31]

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3713 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 22):
Didn't BSB just built a new runway? That should have elimitated any congestion that it had. What about the new expansion of the passenger terminal?

Exactly, what about the expansion of the terminal? If GRU in need for a new terminal for ages, but hasn't gotten it until now, why do you think that BSB will expansion any time soon?

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 22):
Restriction to whom? Why would the Brazilian government open up the restriction to US carriers before it can have a Brazilian carrier capable of competing in the market? Let TAM and possibly RG expand and solidify their N.American operations then we can talk about lifting the restrictions on foreign carriers.

I completely agree.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 22):
Not the same, and who said AF-KL were interested? AF-KL serve other S.American destinations from their hubs and would not need JJ as much. AF-KL were interested only in having a Brazilian feeding carrier for their flight to/from Europe, nothing more.

Isn't evident that a JJ-LH partnership can hurt AF? Why wouldn't they be interested in JJ, when the things at RG+G3 aren't that solid yet? Why do you think LH didn't want to wait for RG to rise again?


25 LipeGIG : Yes, but it keep some restrictions due to the demand of IFR stations IIRC and it's used for landings only during sometime. South American Hub at BSB
26 Hardiwv : Agree. AF-KL coverage in S America is more comprehensive than LH. I also think AF would team with GOL as they had previous conversations. End of the
27 WorldTraveler : which of course only hurts Brazilians who pay more for travel to the US..... no, the real reason is because there are 4 US airlines that would quickl
28 C010T3 : I meant besides the fact that they have an agreement with LH, since I believe they could have achieved almost the same results by closing a new agree
29 C010T3 : Besides DL, which ones? I only hear CO, UA, US don't have enough aircrafts... NW? Another question is: Can the U.S. consulates handle it? I guess the
30 Incitatus : Hmm.. let me see... seems like a hard question. How about this for an answer: It is in the best interest of Brazil. More service will bring in more b
31 C010T3 : WHOA! How have Brazilian government policies in this area been discriminatory? First of all, let's remind us that Brazil is a souverain country. Poli
32 Incitatus : Yes, a sovereign country run with minimal competence. The USA is Brazil's largest business partner. As such, US-Brazil is a very large market for pre
33 LipeGIG : in this case i agree 100% with you... it's easy to pay US$ 1,600 for a C class JFK-BRU than paying US$ 1,600 for a Y class LGA-ATL-GIG-ATL-LGA ! IATA
34 Post contains images Airbazar : Well, Brazil is still S.America But soon there will be at least 1 non-stop to Europe and in the near future TAM will have to find a place to fly the
35 Incitatus : That is not what you said in reply 22. There, you said the Brazilian airlines need protection and that is the reason to a restrictive bilateral. It s
36 Hardiwv : ...if only Braizlian carriers had access to US subsidies extended to their airlines (and they still are not profitable!) and US-based taxation system
37 Hardiwv : Or perhaps, can the Brazilian Federal Policy handle it...it is taking ages to get a passport issued... Lipe: I may have confused things up. What I me
38 C010T3 : Oh, the Federal Police can! They just don't want to! They didn't prepare for the transition from the old passport to the new one, so that they create
39 Post contains images Incitatus : Hardi - I never offered any support for any measures that the US government might have taken in respect to its airline industry. US airlines got hand
40 C010T3 : I love the USA and Americans. I have great friends in Oregon, Washington and Florida. I'm going to spend my next vacation in December in the West Coa
41 Post contains links Jog : And there are the first reports that JJ's next codeshare agreement with yet another StarAlliance member could be on its way: A codeshare with SA would
42 Hardiwv : TAM will operate to CCS via MAO, whereas GOL/RG will offer GRU-CCS nonstop operations with the B773-800. And therefore even closer to another *Allian
43 Post contains images Jog : That's why I said, it could be an interesting option to get from FRA to the Amazon region if it would connect to LH534/535. A bit wishful thinking in
44 Hardiwv : Not at all. The RG/GOL flights is already confirmed GRU-CCS nonstop, schedule as follows: EFF 17JUN RG 8942 - ETD GRU 1715LT - ETA CCS 2210LT - 738 -
45 C010T3 : RG's second nonstop GRU-MAO is being cancelled, since it only made sense because they to run GRU-MAO-BOG with a 733. I see RG expanding capacity to M
46 JoFMO : I guess the comment was made in regards to your spelling mistake with the 773..... Even more important is that TAP arrives around the same time in Ca
47 Post contains images Jog : Sure, I only thought of LH because it is currently their only direct destination in South America besides GRU. According to the great circle mapper f
48 Airbazar : GOL is a Low Cost Carrier. You're comparing apples and orages.
49 Hardiwv : Not anymore with RG under GOL's umbrela. In fact, many disagree with the statement that GOL is a LCC, and GOL is different in many ways to LCCs to th
50 JJMNGR : What I really think that must come in front of anything, is the real possibility that the authorizations to VARIG operate intl destinations not being
51 C010T3 : I agree, but I only see LHR and MEX as problems if lost. JJ may apply for CDG, but if Varig applies once more, it may get it back, since JJ already r
52 Hardiwv : Correct, as you mentioned many Europen destinations still have free slots. Ther only problem would apply to LHR, but then not even TAM would have the
53 C010T3 : The thing is that ANAC will probably stall the process of assigning new operators for the frequencies.
54 JJMNGR : Just would like to remember that with the entrance of A321 in AUG, GRU/MAO/GRU will run with them and another A332 will be free to other use during th
55 Airbazar : Low Cost referres to the airline's operating cost structure, it has nothing to do with serving snacks on board or PTV's. Those are just gimmicks. Eve
56 LipeGIG : But it's not that much Hardi as DL is always reducing the extra flights (6 from 7 and again to 4 from 6) as well as the JFK flight is not a good perf
57 VbeltraJJ : I think that even in Europe things are gonna change as the EEUU wanna straighten relationship with Mercosul and specially with Brazil. Business betwee
58 C010T3 : I took the increase to MXP in consideration. That's why I said that, RG could receive frequencies to FCO (perhaps exclusively). I have reasons to bel
59 VbeltraJJ : Sorry about it...I wanted to say straiten relationship Brazil - European Union...better now?
60 HanginOut : Any news on whether Air Canada and TAM are working on an agreement?
61 C010T3 : I guess...
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