FutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2617 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3885 times:
Even though he may have been clear of the Allegiant aircraft, disrespecting the controller and interjecting during an emergency with non-essential radio chatter is uncalled for. Sounds very selfish to me, especially after telling the tower that he would do whatever they need.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3746 times:
While Googling the N-number, I came upon the thread below. Very interesting, especially if one follows all the links to the secular forums where the alleged perp is apparently well known. Some good photos/video of the landing, sans nosegear.
Pilots are very "go-oriented" and I can fully empathize with them when delays come up. That said, another aircraft on the freq having an EMERGENCY should be a common sense indication to keep one's yap closed and do whatever one is told without further discussion or debate, shy of being vectored into terrain, naturally.
Any true aviation buff has seen the original "12 O'clock High" with Gregory Peck, and whenever I have a crew that's questioning (at length) an ATC delay, aircraft swap, or something else that requires lengthy research or explanation at a time when I'm getting my butt kicked and I have other phones/radios ringing, I always cite this from the movie.
In the beginning of the move, Base Ops at the 918th gets their orders from Pinetree (HQ) for the next day's mission, and the bombing altitude is 9,000 feet. Everyone thinks it has to be a typo, and they really meant 19,000 feet. They ask for a confirmation, and are told 9,000 feet again. The 918th CO drives up the road to Pinetree and as he's going in the General Savage's (Peck) office, Savage is on the phone with someone else from the 918th yet again confirming 9,000 feet, and not 19,000 feet. The 918th CO and Savage get into it, and Savage says that when the CO gets a future order at the 918th, he should just go ahead and assume that Pinetree has thought about, and going ahead and flying it, as ordered. He also said "There's not enough time to take each order apart to see what makes it tick."
Accordingly, and I've used this several times over the years, when captains question me about a delay/decision and I don't have time for the detailed answer/explanation they want, I ask them if they've seen the movie. When they say "Yes" I them that it's 9,000 feet, and to remember what General Savage said to the 918th CO. It usually works.
One of the captains (a buddy) called me up a couple of weeks ago griping about a downline aircraft swap that would end up delaying him on his last flight of the night, and (getting clobbered with WX elsewhere), I cited the movie and got him off the phone. An hour later, once everything was settled down a bit and he was enroute, I ACARSed him a message TO: 918TH, FROM PINETREE, and then the reason for the swap (a complicated 4-way swap), and he called me after he landed to say the he and his F/O had burst out laughing when they'd read my explanation. Yet, he now understood why I didn't have the time earlier to tell him what made the aircraft swap "tick".
Quote from the link:
This morning I had a short conversation with Mr. Hensch. He was busy with two new students, so the conversation was necessarily brief. The two points he made to me were as follows:
1. He acknowledged that the communication was inappropriate and tells me that the tower manager was contacted immediately afterwards. An apology was offered and graciously accepted.
2. The audio recording posted on the Internet was edited in a misleading way. Sanford tower has two discrete frequencies, a fact not identified on the recording. The emergency was being handled on the frequency controlling traffic north of the airport (135.25), not south on Lake Jessup. Also missing from the audio were transmissions of the southern controller (on 120.3) clearing a helicopter to land at the airport during the emergency.
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The fact that the guy was trying to justify his actions just mystifies me. It makes no difference if the emergency was being handled on a different frequency. The controller stated that an aircraft had declared an emergency, and he was ordered to clear the airspace. At that point, the only thing the pilot should be doing is complying with the controllers requests. no questions asked. What really pushed him into crazyville was the comment on the recording that he didn't see any other traffic, therefore the controller must have been vectoring him like that for no reason.