Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3077 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10220 times:
If you ever find yourself in MKE, the small aviation museum (Mitchell Gallery of Flight) has a mock-up diarama of the cockpit of the Caravelle. Mildly interesting to many, increasingly because it represents how cockpits used to look rather than do today. But to a Caravelle lover, it might hold special interest.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10113 times:
TP Caravelles VI-R arrived in mid 1962 and they started right away to replace the L1049G in the European main routes, like LHR, ORY and FRA. TP in the late 50's was facing a big challenge, the jet era was around the corner, TP was totally an all prop airline, flying the L1049G's in Africa and from time in Europe, it was flying the really old C-54 Skymaster in Europe, and the C-47 Dakota domestically and to MAD. First option was to order from Vickers, 3 Viscounts to replace the C-54's for the European market and keep the Super Constellation flying in the african colonies ( Angola and Mozambique ), this option was dropped down and TP tried to find in the market long-haul jets to replace the Super Constellations in Africa and re-direct them to Europe, TP approached SR and tried to "convince" them to sale 2 DC-8-32's ( probably HB-IDA and IDB )...of course SR was not "sufficiently" convinced ( very understandable indeed...) and TP came with a "Plan B", reinforce their Super Constellation fleet with 2 more airplanes ( ex: THAI, Aerovias Guest ) and apply to UAT to "lobby" Aerospatiale and get in a short notice 3 Caravelles VI-R's. Now you might ask - "Why UAT???" - well UAT helped TP leasing 3 Douglas DC-6's in late 50's to increase flights to Africa, so being a french airline why not ask them to "help" TP?!?!? So UAT helped TP and the Caravelles arrived quite fast!!! Latter TP would approach Boeing and they would order the 707 and the 727-100!
After telling you "this saga" and with the arrival of the 727-100 in 1966 TP started to redirect the Caravelle to new markets, giving the "honor" to the 727-100 to get the big routes. So we had the TP Caravelles starting new routes from LIS to BRU, CPH, GVA and ZRH. The TP Caravelles also started to be used intensely in the domestic routes like LIS/OPO and LIS/FAO. Latter and in the final stages of the TP Caravelles they wer used to start new routes from OPO and FAO to the bigger airports like OPO/LHR, OPO/ORY and getting closer and flying one of their daily flights LIS/MAD. In 1977 our good old Caravelle was getting tired, and following other european airlines TP offered their 3 Caravelle VI-R for sale, and guess this.....an airline from South America called SAN from Ecuador bought the 3 Caravelles, 2 of them received the full attractive SAN livery ( CS-TCA and CS-TCB ) and the younger one ( CS-TCC ) was flown to Quito with basic TP livery but with SAN titles and was used has a spares source.
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2974 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10031 times:
IC Caravelles VIN replaced Vickers Viscounts on major metropolitan routes from 1964 and were the mainstay of the IC fleet until the Boeing 737-200's started arriving in the 70's (and some of which haven't left) and DEL and BOM were the hubs.
IC lost five Caravelles over the course of the aircraft's service.
Type-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9905 times:
UA operated the Caravelle on the ORD-LGA route quite a bit amognst other routes. Back in the days when UA had the Caravelle, they didn't have any international routes.
When I was growing up and was a member of the Boy Scouts there was a Boy Scout camp somewhere in the vicinity of ORD. Those Caravelle's would come screaming into ORD right over our heads. Man were they loud! Much lounder than a G IV or a BAC 1-11!
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3810 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9872 times:
Finnair non-stop routes from Helsinki featuring Caravelle 10B equipment in their 1 April through 27 September 1980 timetable:
Domestic, from Helsinki to:
International, non-stop from Helsinki plus onward segments, same flight number:
Hanover (operated 15 April to 24 April only)
Leipzig (operated 1 Sept only)
Rome (in pool with Alitalia)
Internationally, Finnair also had a daily Turku-Copenhagen turnaround service, AY813/814 operated by Caravelle 10B equipment.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26382 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9741 times:
Quoting LVTMB (Reply 11): In the USA, UA United flew Caravelles, I believe on domestic routes only.
When UA operated their 20 Caravelles (1961-72) they had no international routes (except Canada). UA Caravelles operated in an all-First class configuration and only on routes in the eastern half of the USA. They were all named for cities in France.
There have been several other detailed threads covering the Caravelle in the past few months. Suggest you do a search and you will probably find other useful information.
SCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5692 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9678 times:
Quoting CV990 (Reply 7): In 1977 our good old Caravelle was getting tired, and following other european airlines TP offered their 3 Caravelle VI-R for sale, and guess this.....an airline from South America called SAN from Ecuador bought the 3 Caravelles, 2 of them received the full attractive SAN livery ( CS-TCA and CS-TCB ) and the younger one ( CS-TCC ) was flown to Quito with basic TP livery but with SAN titles and was used has a spares source.
My only opportunity to fly on a Caravelle was in Ecuador, from Guayaquil to Quito on Christmas eve, 1977, and we were scheduled to fly on SAN, so I guess I would have gotten to fly on one of those aircraft... but...
...they had a mechanical problem.
So with remarkable efficiency (and I am not being sarcastic), they organized borrowing a plane (and crew? I do not know) from competing airline SAETA, and the flight was also operated in a Caravelle, but it was an ex-Alitalia bird, with all placards in Italian and Alitalia logos on various accoutrements.
The plane was pretty threadbare, but spotlessly clean, and the service was excellent (they passed around a dish of home-made candy). The Caravelle was one of the quietest and smoothest planes I ever recall flying on, and even then I was tickled to have gotten the chance to fly on one. I have a picture of it- somewhere- though I am confident it is far from good enough to ever be accepted on A.net, as it was a night-time timed exposure without benefit of tripod.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
Tbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9639 times:
I only flew the Caravelle once. AF from CAI to ATH. It was an early morning flight which I don't remember that well except the triangular windows. Strangely, my partner had flown from ORD to ORY with one of the flight attendants. Very co-incidental at the time. ORD/ORY vs CAI/ATH - small world.....
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9574 times:
I actually saw ( and I think I still have somewhere....) a photo of CS-TCC in the good old "Airliners Production List 1980". You could see clearly the Caravelle with basic TAP livery ( red line under the windows ) and SAN titles above the windows. The photo was taken of another airplane that I vould not remember but we see in the back quite clearly CS-TCC. I say this because I have a picture with one of the other SAN two Caravelles and they used the very atractive green/yellow livery.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9545 times:
And one of their first destinations was infact LIS and FAO. At that time I was working in LIS Catering and I remember seeing their Caravelles arriving. Another airline from Germany that flew often to LIS and FAO with summer charters was LTU and latter SAT did that too.
Teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1876 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9422 times:
French Air Force "ETOM" was operating 3 Caravelle 11R , in full pax, or combi versions (quick change capabilities) on the following routes: PPT - Hao island ; PPT- Moruroa, and 2 or 3 times per week, PPT - Hao- Moruroa.
PPT - NTTX was daily from Monday to Saturday, with sometimes 2 to 3 rotations.
Even if last photo shows it in Gabon express colors, I loaded this bird in the 90s in Moruroa, when it was in Bleu Blanc Rouge.