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User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

I need data on one of my most favorite a/c---Caravelle: airline operators, sample routes flown and year or decade of service.

Example: Sterling Philippines Airways used Super Caravelle MNL-HKG route in the 70s.

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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10048 times:

Well, ABX Air used the Caravelle in cargo operations out of their hub at ILN in the 1980s. I will check with my dad who works for them to see if he has any information about where they flew to.


Good goes around!
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26017 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

May I suggest you purchase the following book by John Wegg. An extremely well researched and detailed volume.
http://www.airwaysmag.com/channels.html?article_id=25&channel_id=14



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 10037 times:

UTA had a Caravelle based in NOU in the late 60s & 70. It operated to SYD, AKL, NAN & Port Vila, at least. It may have operated to Wallis Island as well, can't remember.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2980 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

If you ever find yourself in MKE, the small aviation museum (Mitchell Gallery of Flight) has a mock-up diarama of the cockpit of the Caravelle. Mildly interesting to many, increasingly because it represents how cockpits used to look rather than do today. But to a Caravelle lover, it might hold special interest.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

The very first Caravelle commercial flight was operated by Scandinavian Airline System (S.A.S) on April 26th 1959.
LN-KLH Finn Viking was launched on the CPH-BEY route.

Air France was the second operator (chronologically) to operate the Caravelle :
First flight on May 1st 1959, with F-BRHA : Paris-Rome-Athens-Istanbul.

It will be difficult to list all the routes operated by Caravelle ...

Take a look at this threat I posted a while ago ... I hope it could help you :

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2080652


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9857 times:

Air Inter's last routes to be wholly operated by the CRV Super 12 were ORY - UIP & ORY - EBU in 1991, but they also appeared on the odd ORY - NTE, LRT, LYS & PGF routes.


Worked on - Caravelle Mercure A300 A320 F27 SD3-60 BAe146 747-100/200/400 DC10-30 767 777 737-400 757 A319 A321
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9794 times:

Hi!

TP Caravelles VI-R arrived in mid 1962 and they started right away to replace the L1049G in the European main routes, like LHR, ORY and FRA. TP in the late 50's was facing a big challenge, the jet era was around the corner, TP was totally an all prop airline, flying the L1049G's in Africa and from time in Europe, it was flying the really old C-54 Skymaster in Europe, and the C-47 Dakota domestically and to MAD. First option was to order from Vickers, 3 Viscounts to replace the C-54's for the European market and keep the Super Constellation flying in the african colonies ( Angola and Mozambique ), this option was dropped down and TP tried to find in the market long-haul jets to replace the Super Constellations in Africa and re-direct them to Europe, TP approached SR and tried to "convince" them to sale 2 DC-8-32's ( probably HB-IDA and IDB )...of course SR was not "sufficiently" convinced ( very understandable indeed...) and TP came with a "Plan B", reinforce their Super Constellation fleet with 2 more airplanes ( ex: THAI, Aerovias Guest ) and apply to UAT to "lobby" Aerospatiale and get in a short notice 3 Caravelles VI-R's. Now you might ask - "Why UAT???" - well UAT helped TP leasing 3 Douglas DC-6's in late 50's to increase flights to Africa, so being a french airline why not ask them to "help" TP?!?!? So UAT helped TP and the Caravelles arrived quite fast!!! Latter TP would approach Boeing and they would order the 707 and the 727-100!
After telling you "this saga" and with the arrival of the 727-100 in 1966 TP started to redirect the Caravelle to new markets, giving the "honor" to the 727-100 to get the big routes. So we had the TP Caravelles starting new routes from LIS to BRU, CPH, GVA and ZRH. The TP Caravelles also started to be used intensely in the domestic routes like LIS/OPO and LIS/FAO. Latter and in the final stages of the TP Caravelles they wer used to start new routes from OPO and FAO to the bigger airports like OPO/LHR, OPO/ORY and getting closer and flying one of their daily flights LIS/MAD. In 1977 our good old Caravelle was getting tired, and following other european airlines TP offered their 3 Caravelle VI-R for sale, and guess this.....an airline from South America called SAN from Ecuador bought the 3 Caravelles, 2 of them received the full attractive SAN livery ( CS-TCA and CS-TCB ) and the younger one ( CS-TCC ) was flown to Quito with basic TP livery but with SAN titles and was used has a spares source.


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You can see two TP flights in LHR, one is the daily flight with 707, and the other probably from OPO with the Caravelle. The other photo was taken in MAD and that was one of TP daily flights.
Regards


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9777 times:

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Thread starter):
airline operators, sample routes flown and year or decade of service.

Routes flown by Middle East Airlines - Air Liban with its Caravelle, in 1964 :

Beirut - Cairo
Beirut - Dhahran - Doha
Beirut - Baghdad - Tehran
Beirut - Dhahran
Beirut - Kuwait
Beirut - Jeddah - Aden
Beirut - Jeddah
Beirut - Baghdad
Beirut - Athens
Beirut - Rome - Paris
Beirut - Rome
Beirut - Istanbul - Vienna
Beirut - Athens - Paris
Beirut - Rome - Frankfurt
Beirut - Rome - Geneva


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In 1971, the fleet was reduced to 2 Caravelle. They were flying on :

Beirut - Athens
Beirut - Nicosia
Beirut - Amman
Beirut - Ankara


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

LTU flew Caravelles from DUS to all around the Mediterraneen. Palma and Ibiza the most popular places than.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

IC Caravelles VIN replaced Vickers Viscounts on major metropolitan routes from 1964 and were the mainstay of the IC fleet until the Boeing 737-200's started arriving in the 70's (and some of which haven't left) and DEL and BOM were the hubs.

IC lost five Caravelles over the course of the aircraft's service.

VT- DPP/DSB/DPO/DVJ/DWN

[Edited 2007-05-22 16:10:45]


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User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

AR Aerolineas Argentinas flew Caravelles in 1960s and 1970s.
So did RG Varig/Cruzeiro
In teh USA, UA United flew Caravelles, I believe on domestic routes only.

MB


User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 9586 times:

UA operated the Caravelle on the ORD-LGA route quite a bit amognst other routes. Back in the days when UA had the Caravelle, they didn't have any international routes.
When I was growing up and was a member of the Boy Scouts there was a Boy Scout camp somewhere in the vicinity of ORD. Those Caravelle's would come screaming into ORD right over our heads. Man were they loud! Much lounder than a G IV or a BAC 1-11!


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

Finnair non-stop routes from Helsinki featuring Caravelle 10B equipment in their 1 April through 27 September 1980 timetable:

Domestic, from Helsinki to:

Joensuu
Jyvaskyla
Kajaani
Kemi
Kokkola
Kuopio
Oulu
Pietarsaari
Tampere
Turku

International, non-stop from Helsinki plus onward segments, same flight number:

Copenhagen-Budapest
Hanover (operated 15 April to 24 April only)
Leipzig (operated 1 Sept only)
Leningrad
London (Heathrow)
Luxembourg-Malaga
Madrid-Lisbon
Moscow (Sheremetyevo)
Rome (in pool with Alitalia)
Vienna
Warsaw

Internationally, Finnair also had a daily Turku-Copenhagen turnaround service, AY813/814 operated by Caravelle 10B equipment.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25848 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9422 times:

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 11):
In the USA, UA United flew Caravelles, I believe on domestic routes only.

When UA operated their 20 Caravelles (1961-72) they had no international routes (except Canada). UA Caravelles operated in an all-First class configuration and only on routes in the eastern half of the USA. They were all named for cities in France.

There have been several other detailed threads covering the Caravelle in the past few months. Suggest you do a search and you will probably find other useful information.


User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5579 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9359 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 7):
In 1977 our good old Caravelle was getting tired, and following other european airlines TP offered their 3 Caravelle VI-R for sale, and guess this.....an airline from South America called SAN from Ecuador bought the 3 Caravelles, 2 of them received the full attractive SAN livery ( CS-TCA and CS-TCB ) and the younger one ( CS-TCC ) was flown to Quito with basic TP livery but with SAN titles and was used has a spares source.

My only opportunity to fly on a Caravelle was in Ecuador, from Guayaquil to Quito on Christmas eve, 1977, and we were scheduled to fly on SAN, so I guess I would have gotten to fly on one of those aircraft... but...

...they had a mechanical problem.

So with remarkable efficiency (and I am not being sarcastic), they organized borrowing a plane (and crew? I do not know) from competing airline SAETA, and the flight was also operated in a Caravelle, but it was an ex-Alitalia bird, with all placards in Italian and Alitalia logos on various accoutrements.

The plane was pretty threadbare, but spotlessly clean, and the service was excellent (they passed around a dish of home-made candy). The Caravelle was one of the quietest and smoothest planes I ever recall flying on, and even then I was tickled to have gotten the chance to fly on one. I have a picture of it- somewhere- though I am confident it is far from good enough to ever be accepted on A.net, as it was a night-time timed exposure without benefit of tripod.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9348 times:

CV990

Can you confirmed CS-TCC had SAN TITLES ?
Have you a photo or a slide ?
If not , did you already see a photo in a book , and which one ?

Muito obrigado


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9320 times:

I only flew the Caravelle once. AF from CAI to ATH. It was an early morning flight which I don't remember that well except the triangular windows. Strangely, my partner had flown from ORD to ORY with one of the flight attendants. Very co-incidental at the time. ORD/ORY vs CAI/ATH - small world.....


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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Hi FCKC.

I actually saw ( and I think I still have somewhere....) a photo of CS-TCC in the good old "Airliners Production List 1980". You could see clearly the Caravelle with basic TAP livery ( red line under the windows ) and SAN titles above the windows. The photo was taken of another airplane that I vould not remember but we see in the back quite clearly CS-TCC. I say this because I have a picture with one of the other SAN two Caravelles and they used the very atractive green/yellow livery.
Regards


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Aerolloyd (YP) operated three Caravelle 10's on routes from West Germany to the usual Mediterranean sunspots during the 1980's.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Hi!

And one of their first destinations was infact LIS and FAO. At that time I was working in LIS Catering and I remember seeing their Caravelles arriving. Another airline from Germany that flew often to LIS and FAO with summer charters was LTU and latter SAT did that too.


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First SAT livery was mainly LTU one with different tittles, the next one with green and yellow was nice!!!


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Probably not well know LTU livery, simple but nice, and Aero-Lloyd one, like AF...in red!


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I think I liked it better with silver instead of white.

Regards


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9121 times:

Air France routes operated by Caravelle equipment in their Summer 1979 timetable included:

CDG-MAN
LYS-LHR
MRS-LHR
TLS-LHR
BIQ-LHR
CDG-OPO
ORY-MAD
ORY-AGP
NCE-MAD
MRS-MAD
LYS-MAD
CDG-TRN
CDG-MIL (Linate)
LYS-MIL
LYS-MRS-ROM (Leonardo da Vinci)
NCE-ATH
MRS-NCE-ATH
MRS-ATH
BOD-NCE-ATH
LYS-NCE-ATH
LYS-ATH
CDG-GVA
CDG-ZRH
ORY-BSL-ZRH
NCE-GVA
CDG-FRA
CDG-CGN
CDG-HAM
MRS-LYS-FRA
ORY-BEG
MRS-LYS-BRU
NCE-BRU
CDG-AMS
NCE-AMS
ORY-PRG
CDG-CPH


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Transavia Holland used the Caravelle to many holiday destinations (Mediterranean).
Istanbul Airlines used also Caravelles, e.g. Turkey - AMS.



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1873 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9103 times:

French Air Force "ETOM" was operating 3 Caravelle 11R , in full pax, or combi versions (quick change capabilities) on the following routes: PPT - Hao island ; PPT- Moruroa, and 2 or 3 times per week, PPT - Hao- Moruroa.
PPT - NTTX was daily from Monday to Saturday, with sometimes 2 to 3 rotations.
Even if last photo shows it in Gabon express colors, I loaded this bird in the 90s in Moruroa, when it was in Bleu Blanc Rouge.
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Teva



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9014 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 12):
UA operated the Caravelle on the ORD-LGA route

ORD-EWR you mean. I don't think anyone can find a timetable showing Caravelles into LGA.


25 Tango-Bravo : Interestingly, the Caravelle was a design that was so advanced when introduced by SAS that it was possible, for a time, to travel by jet with SAS on
26 Coronado : There was a charter airline in Italy by the name of SAMIT that operated a Caravelle from Milan Malpensa to London Luton in 1974. Does anybody recall t
27 TAN FLYR : The old timers long ago at FWA told me that FWA had Caravelle service to ORD and actually nonstop to EWR on a ORD-FWA-EWR routing in the mid 60's. I
28 Post contains images Gr8Circle : BTW, how many Caravelles did IC have over all... ? I was shocked to find that there's not a single photo of an IC Caravelle in the a.net database....
29 FlySSC : Here you'll find the complete list of Caravelle operators and/or owners AEROGOLFO AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS AEROLLOYD Aéroport International Satolas AERO
30 Post contains links and images Tango-Bravo : Generally speaking, United's Caravelles were featured on many of the routes UA picked up from their merger with Capital, the timing of which closely
31 Post contains links Jan Mogren : You missed one http://www.airpixpro.com/Photoview.asp?ID=794 /JM edit: actually also missing is Flygvapnet (Swedish Air Force) , Argentine AF for exa
32 Trex8 : CI TPE-HKG, SGN for sure. Probably to all their international destinations in the late 60s.
33 Gr8Circle : Pushpak Aviation was a short-lived Mumbai based operator who actually purchased the Caravelles from IC sometime around 1982 or thereabouts, when IC r
34 Embajador3 : Does any airline still operates the Caravelle? who is/or was the last operator? Thanks!!!
35 EWRandMDW : The June 1, 1966 NY/Newark UAL city schedule shows the following nonstop Caravelle flights (all from EWR): BAL 7/week ORD 13/week CLE 27/week PIT 26/w
36 Andaman : Finnair missing.
37 Type-Rated : You are right, UA flew t hem out of EWR. My memory must be going! I also saw UA Caravelles at MKE in the late 60's. The last UA Caravelle I saw was at
38 Post contains links Gemuser : You missed UTA. See http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0211898/M/ See reply 3 also Gemuser
39 Marambio : Aerolíneas Argentinas operated the following Caravelle VI: - LV-HGX ("Aldebarán") --> to the Argentine Air Force as T-91 - LV-HGY ("Sirius") --> des
40 Milesrich : United NEVER operated the Caravelle VIR on regularly scheduled flight in or out of LGA. UA introduced the Caravelle on July 1, 1961 between IDL (JFK)
41 AirAmericaC46 : Thanks everyone for all the info. One more: anybody has schedules for Sterling's Caravelle routes to North America and Asia?------data appreciated. Th
42 FlySSC : Sterling started using Caravelle on transatlantic Charter services in December 1971, flying Olso-Gander-Toronto. They were the only airline to fly Car
43 Post contains images Tbear815 : I always thought UA inherited the Caravelles as a result of the Capital merger. I was under the impression Capital ordered the Caravelles before the m
44 Cedarjet : Before the Israeli invasion of the West Bank in 67, MEA used to fly from Beirut to Jerusalem with Caravelles.
45 Post contains links and images FlySSC :    United Airlines placed an order for 20 "Caravelle" from Sud-Aviation on February 20th 1960, well before they merged with Capital Airlines in Jan
46 FlySSC : MEA was indeed flying to Al Qods/Jerusalem until 1967 but was not using the Caravelle for those flights. They were operated by a DC3 until 1964, then
47 Viscount724 : UA inherited their Viscounts (approximately 45) from the Capital merger. The Caravelles were ordered by UA. For most of the 1960s when both the Carav
48 Tbear815 : Thank you all for clarifying this. I had forgotten the Viscounts, and yes, know that they flew for Capital before the UA merger. Interestingly, I have
49 Jcavinato : I rode UA Caravelle's that were configured in all first class between BWI and CLE. This was 1967 to late 1968 or early 1969
50 TomTurner : I believe Capital had ordered the Comet, but perhaps the merger killed that plan? Tom
51 Milesrich : UA's Caravelles were configured all First Class, 16 rows of 2 and 2. The Viscounts were also all First class, with 11 rows of 2 & 2, as I remember. (T
52 Semsem : I used to fly on the Air France Caravelles from London to Paris, Swissair from London to Geneva and Alitalia from London to Milan in the 1960s. They w
53 Tango-Bravo : Capital ordered Comet IVs for delivery beginning in late 1958, as well as Lockheed L-188 Electras and Convair 880s around the same time. All were can
54 Post contains links and images CV990 : Hi! I was a bit frustrated that was barely any information regarding french charter airlines that during the 70's and early 80's used a lot the Carave
55 Timz : The Comet 4A, wasn't it? Don't recall what the difference was between the 4 and the 4A, or the 4A and 4B.
56 Tango-Bravo : From Wikipedia, here's the story of Captital's Comet order (for both 4 and 4A types) as well as the basic differences bewteen the Comet 4, 4A, 4B and
57 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Capital Airlines ordered four Comet 4s and 4As in July 1956. The Comet 4A was designed for short-range operations and had a stretched fuselage with s
58 Jcavinato : The sixteen rows of 2 X 2 seating was rough on the late afternoon CLE - BWI flight. Dinner was served after a drink run through. If you were anywhere
59 Isitsafenow : You are correct. I can't and I have a few hundred scheds with a good number in the 1960's. safe
60 Post contains links and images CV990 : Hi! Besides the normal operation of airlines, regular or charter I remember seeing at LIS "special" Caravelles that came there for any purpose. From t
61 Post contains images FlySSC : One of the last operator of Caravelle in Europe was the ORY based "Aéro France Internationnal" (nothing to do with AF), who operated 2 Caravelle 10B
62 StarGoldLHR : Didnt a caravelle crash in south america around 2000 / 2003 period ? was this the last one to fly ?
63 Post contains links and images Himmat01 : A Caravelle in the old colors of IC. I was surprised to find this picture in modified airliners photos. This is a real picture of an IC Caravelle in i
64 Quetzal : Air Caledonie International.... Has SB been mentioned yet? Was the only Caravelle I ever saw in Australia, although apparently UTA was operating them
65 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Several Caravelle crashed in South America, as a lot of them ended their career there (or in Africa), often used as freighters, and also often used b
66 CV990 : Hi! By the way, when I was in Colombia back to July 2006 when I was leaving BOG I noticed that there was in a certain place at the airport a Caravelle
67 RJAF : Your certainly forgot Alia (now Royal jordanian). In 1965, Alia purchased three Caravelle 10-Rs and I certainly flew on them in the early 70s - when
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