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Any News On The A380 Assembly?  
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7081 times:

Almost every hour we have an update about the progress of the first assembly of the 787 including pictures. What about the A380? Any news would be highly appreciated.

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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Almost every hour we have an update about the progress of the first assembly of the 787 including pictures. What about the A380?

Several have already been assembled and are flying. The biggest remaining challenges are production certification and sales.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
production certification

Hi Zvezda, Is this just a formality??? When do they expect to get it??


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7038 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Almost every hour we have an update about the progress of the first assembly of the 787 including pictures. What about the A380? Any news would be highly appreciated.

The same thing occurred when the first A380 was under construction. The only difference it that it was constantly being bashed for its looks.  Sad Now it seems that most have gradually fallen in love with it.  Smile

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
Several have already been assembled and are flying.

Correct. Something like 8-9 frames.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
The biggest remaining challenges are production certification

Correct. This is the next major goal to achieve.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
and sales.

Agree, the continued sale of the A380 is very important.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Hi Zvezda, Is this just a formality??? When do they expect to get it??

Singapore Airlines is to take its first frame in October. This means that it will have to receive its certificate before delivery other wise it will suffer yet another delay. Hopefully by August this will have been achieved. Smile

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Is this just a formality???

Apparently not. Airbus reportedly lost control of the configuration information and had to/is having to inventory the wiring on the aircraft already built. Getting a certification for the production procedures is difficult when the procedures have been, to some extent, ad hoc rather than according to plan. Airbus need to update their plan with whatever the new standard wiring will be, then demonstrate that the birds are/have been built according to that plan. I think this is the main reason why the first one can't be delivered to SQ yet.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
When do they expect to get it??

It would be convenient for Airbus to get it before EIS. The alternative is having to certify the early examples individually. That would be a huge and expensive hassle.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Now it seems that most have gradually fallen in love with it.

The WhaleJet somehow looks vastly better painted than unpainted. Except for the wingtips and the (relatively) tiny cockpit windows, I think the WhaleJet looks stunningly graceful. Anyway, I don't care much about the looks. I care whether or not the millions of investors who were forced to invest against their will get a reasonable RoI. I care that it is quieter and consumes less fuel per passenger than previous models. I care about dispatch reliability. I care about speed (the WhaleJet is the fastest Airbus yet). I would not compromise any of these things for better looks.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26853 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I think this is the main reason why the first one can't be delivered to SQ yet.

Thanks Zvezda

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 5):
The WhaleJet somehow looks vastly better painted than unpainted

Yes I agree, I love the LH A380 livery and SQ and AF.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

BEFORE


NOW


The following is what I have to consider the ugliest part of the A380. It would have been nice to see the A350XWB windows introduced. Now I'm even more worried about Airbus considering opting for this configuration on the A350XWB.  Sad



Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 1):
Several have already been assembled and are flying.

I have to admit my question was not very precise. I mean, are they physically working on the airframes that have been already assembled (re-wiring)? Or is just a bunch of junior engineers sitting on the wings and doing all the paperwork?


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8):

I have to admit my question was not very precise. I mean, are they physically working on the airframes that have been already assembled (re-wiring)?

Yes

All the frames up to MSN 026 will have to be worked on and re -wired.

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offline6YJJK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
This means that it will have to receive its [production] certificate before delivery other wise it will suffer yet another delay.

I was under the impression that they could deliver the A380s, but that without the production certificate each one had to be individually certified by the authorities. Have I got that wrong?


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Now it seems that most have gradually fallen in love with it.

Not this person. I still think it is quite ugly. Looks like a flying manatee.



One Nation Under God
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 8):
I have to admit my question was not very precise. I mean, are they physically working on the airframes that have been already assembled (re-wiring)? Or is just a bunch of junior engineers sitting on the wings and doing all the paperwork?

I believe one frame has its (hopefully) final wiring installed. It's not just a matter of documenting what has been installed but how it has been installed. It's all about documenting a repeatable and verifiable process.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

Maybe of interest, unfortunatelly in German but there must be an English version of the lastest press release of Airbus somewhere...

http://www.handelsblatt.com/news/Unt...kommt-kabelsalat-in-den-griff.html

Summary (assuming the journalist is reporting correctly)
- first SQ A380 is ready except for final tests
- the next A380 for SQ, EK and QF are even ahead of the time-schedule


User currently offlineHMan From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):
All the frames up to MSN 026 will have to be worked on and re -wired.

Really? I didn't think that they already had 26 in production. Does anybody have numbers on how many are close to be completed and how many have flown so far?


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5966 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Is this just a formality

Usually the production certificate is issued along with the type certificate, but as Zvezda has said, things have gotten under control and Airbus has to do in essence "damage control" and get things right before getting the production certificate.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

Quoting HMan (Reply 14):
Really? I didn't think that they already had 26 in production. Does anybody have numbers on how many are close to be completed and how many have flown so far?

Good idea, I really lost the overview. Do they have enough hangar capacity for such a number of aircrafts?

Why not storing some of them in those typical desert airports in the US before re-wiring? Would be something new, stored before taken into service... OK, OK, only kidding...


User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 9):

Yes
All the frames up to MSN 026 will have to be worked on and re -wired.

This issue was already most exhaustively discussed at the forum. My assessment was that even
if all aircrafts up to MSN 26 would be delivered with I called a "HAND" or "PROVISIONAL" WIRING,
it must be later rewired, obviously a very disruptive procedure. But several forum members opined
that this would be no problem, even if meant that many customers would need to operate A380s
with different wiring !!

I am not sure if the re-wiring you mention refers to the "original", faulty wiring (as consequence of
the software coordination failure ?? it seems no to be so, as obviously this "original" wiring only
was being applied on a few frames !! If this is, as I assume, not the case, you agree that up to
MSN, all the delivered planes should be rewired at a later stage. Obviously, this would require
2 certification procedures.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Hi Zvezda, Is this just a formality??? When do they expect to get it??
[quote=Zvezda,reply=1]
This means that it will have to receive its certificate before delivery other wise it will suffer yet another
delay. Hopefully by August this will have been achieved.

Please note statement of AIRBUS CFO Herr Ring in URL
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...0Headwind%20for%20Rest%20of%202007
"A series of strikes in France and Germany is threatening to undermine output. EADS and
Airbus Chief Financial Officer Hans Peter Ring notes that production time has already been lost
and that if strikes continue, some 2007 deliveries will slip into 2008. This comes as Airbus
can ill afford to upset customers with late deliveries--high-profile delays have already struck its
A380--or suffer cash flow shortfalls, which the unrest could spell.
"

A CFO would not made such declaration if he doesn't intend to use the strikes as a justification
of expected further delays. Factually, the accumulative time of the strikes is less than 5 days, with
the side effects it could justify only 15 days delay.

regarding certification:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
Is this just a formality???

Apparently not. Airbus reportedly lost control of the configuration information and had to/is having to inventory the wiring on the aircraft already built. Getting a certification for the production procedures is difficult when the procedures have been, to some extent, ad hoc rather than according to plan. Airbus need to update their plan with whatever the new standard wiring will be, then demonstrate that the birds are/have been built according to that plan. I think
this is the main reason why the first one can't be delivered to SQ yet.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
It would be convenient for Airbus to get it before EIS. The alternative is having to certify the early examples individually. That would be a huge and expensive hassle.

Really, if this lost of control is supported by a credible source (?) this is a organization failure even
worse as the lack of coordination of software, which caused the original problem. As I can see, my
naming of the provisional wiring as "hand ..." would be in such case more accurate as I intended.

But even if so, as the failure of the original wiring was already known before 9/2006, and even if the
500 Km wire seems to indicate a non-optimal design , taken in proportion of the smaller B787 and
considering that the wiring distances are diminished by the fact that the A380 is a double-decker,
it is not explainable that 8 month later, we are still speaking of a Provisional execution. Possibly
there are other reasons for these ongoing delays ?

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):

I believe one frame has its (hopefully) final wiring installed. It's not just a matter of documenting what has been installed but how it has been installed. It's all about documenting a repeatable and verifiable process.

1) In no case the "final" wiring will be in the 1st Singapore aircraft, as AIRBUS states that such would
happen not before the MSN 27. As discussed with WINGS above, this would be a provisional design
(which must be separately certified) and in my opinion it is not acceptable for an airline to receive
aircrafts from an ongoing order with different wiring, therefore increased maintenance personnel
training, etc.
The perception that in a complicated system as these it suffices to put in the hand of the engineers a
book with hundreds of drawings and they will find any defect immediately (working at any airport where
the problem occurs) is, in spite of computerization totally false, an intensive training is necessary.
Should SQ wish to receive the first aircraft with such a cabling, they should ask for re-wiring a.s.a.p.
after receiving more frames.

Given the much public attention drawn by the wiring problems, AIRBUS and Airlines should be very
careful not to allow the slightest perception of that to avoid further delays, this issue was not being
addressed with the needed extreme care.

2) You comment about that the process should be repeatable supports the said above,

3) Your remark regarding "what and how" is totally to the point, as in a complex system, if the cable
routes are significantly changed , it is unavoidable that there will be also changes in the wiring
diagrams.

4) The remark (made by other) that a further wiring version could occur anywise when an eventual
additional future order for Aircrafts of the same type, but not identical, is delivered, is irrelevant, as it
would be a third instead a second version if the pre-MSN26 are not rewired !

Aminobwana


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 17):

1) In no case the "final" wiring will be in the 1st Singapore aircraft, as AIRBUS states that such would
happen not before the MSN 27. As discussed with WINGS above, this would be a provisional design
(which must be separately certified) and in my opinion it is not acceptable for an airline to receive
aircrafts from an ongoing order with different wiring, therefore increased maintenance personnel

Deep breath, calm, calm...:

Ok all of the A380 whether pre MSN026 or post will have the same wiring it is simply the way that it has been installed that is differant - the pre planes will not need to be redone later or have differant mx procedures!


User currently offlineWsp From Germany, joined May 2007, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 17):
Factually, the accumulative time of the strikes is less than 5 days, with
the side effects it could justify only 15 days delay.

I don't know how you got to the 15 days and whether these are calendar days or workdays. But clearly at 434 aircraft in 2006 a loss of 15 calendar days would mean that production of an estimated 18 aircraft slips into the next year.

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 17):
and even if the 500 Km wire seems to indicate a non-optimal design , taken in proportion of the smaller B787

Did Boeing publish any numbers for the B787 after they switched back to wired IFE ?

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 17):
Should SQ wish to receive the first aircraft with such a cabling, they should ask for re-wiring a.s.a.p. after receiving more frames.

Lets hope they read your post and don't let their incompetence get them into trouble  sarcastic 

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 17):
Given the much public attention drawn by the wiring problems, AIRBUS and Airlines should be very careful not to allow the slightest perception of that to avoid further delays, this issue was not being addressed with the needed extreme care.

Wow. They have delayed the delivery of that aircraft for years, because they rushed the rewiring ?  crazy  You are the one, actually the only one, on this board who relentlessly pushes the idea that there must be something fishy about the new wiring, analyzing ever rumor and factoid for the worst possible interpretations. And now you tell Airbus they must be careful not to let negative perceptions arise, the very perceptions that you are non-stop trying to create ?


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

The first 9 frames have all already flown.

"Ville de Bordeaux" has now restarted its shuttles between Airbus factories around Europe bringing wings and different parts of the A380 to Langon.Then by boat and by road to the final assembly at TLS.

This ship has been leased during the time it was not working for Airbus to some companies to carry cars (more than 500 cars a trip) between Spain and Bordeaux , for the cars to be sold on the Southwestern French market.
It has also been used between Ireland and Northern France to carry car spare parts.

Airbus has also ordered two more ships , smaller than "Ville de Bordeaux" , not in China this time , but at Singapore , for these ships to replace Belugas which will arrive at the ending time frame, in a few years.
Both these ships will be used , not only for the A380 line , but for all Airbus products lines.

Seems as the A380 programm is now again on track.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3874 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 20):

Airbus has also ordered two more ships , smaller than "Ville de Bordeaux" , not in China this time , but at Singapore , for these ships to replace Belugas which will arrive at the ending time frame, in a few years.
Both these ships will be used , not only for the A380 line , but for all Airbus products lines.

I guess that answers the question raised in another thread about the A350XWB and the Beluga...


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 20):
Seems as the A380 programm is now again on track.

Are RR back producing T900s again, or is production of them still suspended?


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6832 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Now it seems that most have gradually fallen in love with it.

Not me; I think it still looks ugly. But like Zvezda, I am more concerned with efficiency and utility than appearance.



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineAminobwana From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 18):
Ok all of the A380 whether pre MSN026 or post will have the same wiring it is simply the way that it has been installed that is different - the pre planes will not need to be redone later or have different mx procedures!

Not so. As I wrote in

Quoting Aminobwana (Reply 17):

as in a complex system, if the cable routes are significantly changed , it is unavoidable that there
will be also changes in the wiring diagrams
---------------------------------------------------.
The perception that in a complicated system as these it suffices to put in the hand of the engineers a book with hundreds of drawings and they will find any defect immediately (working at any airport where
the problem occurs) is, in spite of computerization totally false, an intensive training is necessary

Otherwise, if a cable or wire now relocated in the "final" execution, in order to avoid changing the wiring diagrams, must have it extremes connected to the same terminals as originally, this "patching" will increase the
complication of the installation and mean more wire and more weight.

One of the postulates of any complex control design is "want to made a change ?? It will have
10 children !"
In our modern computer age, these changes are relatively rapidly done with help of computers (IF
they have the right software), but the resulting diagrams will have a lot of alterations from the
maintenance and repair personnel view,

Quoting Wsp (Reply 19):
I don't know how you got to the 15 days and whether these are calendar days or workdays. But clearly at 434 aircraft in 2006 a loss of 15 calendar days would mean that production of an estimated 18 aircraft slips into the next year

5 days normal strike time is more or less a fact at least in France. 2 times this figure is a experience
based figure to compensate disruption. And of course it refers to workdays, as strikes were not on holidays!

Quoting Wsp (Reply 19):
Did Boeing publish any numbers for the B787 after they switched back to wired IFE ?

Boeing high officers repeatedly stated and the press reported that the B788 has 60m (100 Km) cable, the
B789 about 110 km

Quoting Wsp (Reply 19):
Lets hope they read your post and don't let their incompetence get them into trouble

I am touched by the depths of this argument. I have stated the reasons of my statement, and innocently
expected the same from anyone disagreeing

Quoting Wsp (Reply 19):
Wow. They have delayed the delivery of that aircraft for years, because they rushed
the rewiring ?

The delay was due to they were not able to complete the wiring because of design and coordination
failure.This is certainly not a merit. Now they are, as they stated officially, not able to come up with
a final design in time to wire the frames up to MSN26 and therefore intend to deliver a "provisional"
(or which its name is).
And if I understand Zvezda well, they have not available the drawings in the quality required for the
certification for this "provisional". And again: if anyone sees this differently, I expect to hear the reasons

Quoting Wsp (Reply 19):
You are the one, actually the only one, on this board who relentlessly pushes the idea
that there must be something fishy about the new wiring, analyzing ever rumor and factoid for the worst possible interpretations. And now you tell Airbus they must be careful not to let negative perceptions arise, the very perceptions that you are non-stop trying to create ?



And again and again, my arguments are answered by personal attacks and sometimes calls to the
moderators to delete my posts. You will notice that even so, I am not replying in sort, but trying to
add objectivity.

Why I am the only one ? Possibly, because I have analyzed it and this is one of the specialities of
my 50 years professional life!
There is no rumor spraying in citing AB official statements and referring (with a caveat!!) to Zvezda's
information.And this is not about "fishiness", but the fact that AB again seems not have been able
to solve the wiring impasse and in order to avoid the consequences of a catastrophic further delay
to SQ and other, has chosen to implement a "provisorium".
And mark my words: I do not imply and think that this provisorium was not checked and
ultra-checked regarding any issue implying the safety of the aircraft !!! But it must be obvious for
you and anyone that given the past prominence of the issue and the recent statement of the not
final solution before the MSN26, in case of any future factually unrelated problem of the aircraft
affecting its pax, lawyers will have their day, as you know, they are very good to create
perceptions without any help from me !!

And why SQ would accept the first aircrafts so wired ?? Because they, as AB is, are concerned
by the effects of a further delay on their own owners and shareholders, after having confirmed and
extended the original order basing on the promises of AB, and presented this as an excellent deal !!
But I am absolutely sure that should the facts so require (as I assume they will), they will ask these
frames to be later re-wired even if not saying so now, accepting the consequent disturbance but as
a responsible airline, avoiding any perceived or real risk !!

aminobwana


25 LTU932 : Correction: I meant out of control, not under control. Thanks to Zvezda for pointing out my mistake.
26 Wsp : I think Airbus was referring to the actual walkouts that have taken place in the past days. Your original statement BTW was that Airbus was issuing t
27 Flight152 : When is the current projected in service date for the A380?
28 Aminobwana : You are right, it is obvious. The normal procedure in such cases is try to work extra hours, take provisional personnel or similar to compensate the
29 Zvezda : It was never planned for all of the first 26 aircraft to have identical wiring. There are differences from one airline to another. With that exceptio
30 Aminobwana : i think that needs some clarification: Yes, the execution varies with the Airline. My point has less to do with the certification as with maintenance
31 Cobra27 : Why did you have to qoute his topic?
32 Moo : That is correct. Because while only a dozen or so airframes were delivered to Toulouse, the other 14 or so airframe sub assemblies were already in va
33 Scouseflyer : That is also my understanding
34 Aminobwana : Pls. help me to understand by answering the questions below and correcting what I saying if it is wrong.. Thanks in advance ! 1) The harnesses or the
35 Post contains links and images Astuteman : Jeez! Where to start on all this........er, commentary? How about here? http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...overy-effort-gathers-momentum.html NOT
36 Zvezda : I've been trying to stress this throughout the thread. I hope your explanation will be more clear than mine was.
37 Post contains images Astuteman : FWIW I had no problems at all with your explanations. Regards
38 474218 : So MSN001 through MSN010 have one type of wiring installed by a particular production methodology. MSN011 through MSN025 have different wires install
39 Overcast : What Astuteman was clearing saying was that the wiring will be the same, but the first 10 will be reworked to get there, 11 through 25 will be wired
40 Moo : MSN001 wont have any wiring, its Airbuses fleet aircraft. MSN002 - MSN025 are being hand wired to a specification at Hamburg and Toulouse. MSN026 onw
41 Aussie747 : Does this mean that the first planes for EK and QF with be delivered earlier than the currently planned AUG 2008?
42 Moo : Your guess is as good as anyones.
43 JayinKitsap : So is the plan to EIS 1 plane to SQ this October, then is is 4 or 7 next year before they reach something like 20 in 2009. Astuteman - I realize this
44 Astuteman : The source was the FI article I linked in the same post, Jay. I'm guessing the complexity comes from having different frames in different stages of c
45 Aminobwana : Lets see if we can agree on this, without emotions, as we were doing lately: I seem now to understand your point. You (and other colleagues) wish to c
46 Post contains links and images WingedMigrator : The plan is for 13 deliveries in 2008, not 4 or 7, followed by 25 in 2009. For every month that Airbus beats or misses this ramp up schedule, they wi
47 Zvezda : No, earlier aircraft. Yes. No. Remember that incompatible versions of CATIA were used. WingedMigrator provided a good explanation above.
48 Post contains images Astuteman : All I can do is direct you to the article I linked in post #35, where the difference is explicitly stated to be a production methodology It's in the
49 Moo : [/quote] MSN001 was totally and utterly hand wired at Toulouse, there was no problem with its wiring because it was not as complex. All of the frames
50 OldAeroGuy : The production certificate literally says that a production standard (ie a set of controlled drawings) has been established and all subsequent airpla
51 Aminobwana : [ Astutemen, Zvezda et all Thank you for your input, it is appreciated. As conclusion, we agree now: 1) that from the electrical and control point of
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