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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Now that SAN is up and running, any early indications on "hits" and "misses" in the markets served out of SAN?

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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1959 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Loads out of SAN are good, some of the best in the system, especially for the longer flights, nearly full cabins on many flights. BFL is probably the lightest right now but it may improve over time.

User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 1):
BFL is probably the lightest right now but it may improve over time.

Very true. I think more people will go to BFL instead of SEA if the fares are lower.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 2):
Very true. I think more people will go to BFL instead of SEA if the fares are lower.

Why?
BFL is Bakersfield, CA. Far from SEA.
Perhaps you meant BLI?


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 1):
Loads out of SAN are good, some of the best in the system, especially for the longer flights, nearly full cabins on many flights. BFL is probably the lightest right now but it may improve over time.

Sorry KAUSpilot, I don't know you; do you fly for XE? (I assume you have access to reliable numbers for them.)

I do hope XE is doing well at Lindbergh; their final 3 new flights (including GEG service) will be added on June 7 so they will be at their full 18-flight schedule! As this is the second largest operation by XE (surpassed only by ONT), apparently they have high hopes and expectations for San Diego and I trust they will not be disappointed.

Hopefully they will get the Bakersfield flights re-timed and will see quick improvements in those numbers as a result. (Both BFL and FAT are markets from SAN that I think need early morning/late afternoon r/t in both directions to enable business travelers to do one day's business in any of the cities and return home the same day.)

It's exciting to think of possibly added frequencies in existing markets or even new destinations coming along in the near future...

bb


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Hopefully they will get the Bakersfield flights re-timed and will see quick improvements in those numbers as a result.

BFL will be the first to implode followed by MRY.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

The Bakersfield area business community has been pushing XJet for a BFL-SMF flight. The community says there is a lot of demand, maybe more than for BFL-SAN.

I don't know what relationships there might be to support BFL-SMF other than government.

The drive time difference BFL-SMF is only about 40 minutes longer than BFL-SAN.



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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

SAN looks to the new weekend getaway for Fresno. Saw it when QX started FAT-SEA, the weekend flighs all filled up with people going north and south for quick chats with relatives. If the seat maps are any indication, it's the same story for FAT-SAN, with the build-up starting Thursdays, with Friday packed.

Retime those flights - PLEASE! The morning departure is fine. But, I'd take the SAN-MRY pm flights over that mid-day swing through FAT anyday. Yep, implode is correct for MRY....and when that happens, just move the bird over here.

At least they're now advertising, both newspaper and radio in Fresno.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
I don't know what relationships there might be to support BFL-SMF other than government

The route could be flown Mo-Fr on a 2 x per day basis , or 1 x per day basis. One morning inbound, and one evening inbound for a BFL-SMF service. It would also open up easy connections for state government needing to travel to places like Palmdale, Visalia, and others. Another good move albeit a niche would be SMF-SAN, SMF-ONT. There are a lot of state people that would much rather fly on Xjet than Southwest anyday.

-JD


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 7):
SAN looks to the new weekend getaway for Fresno.

I expected that would happen.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 7):
At least they're now advertising, both newspaper and radio in Fresno.

I still think they should be including fares, they are lower than many realize.. Too many people in Fresno are used to not bothering to check FAT flights, the assumption is things are priced high.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
I still think they should be including fares, they are lower than many realize.. Too many people in Fresno are used to not bothering to check FAT flights, the assumption is things are priced high.

Checked UA for the weekend walkups, $414 (wow - they're giving 'em away at that price). Express Jet was $298RT.

You know how cheap this town is, word gets out as to how cheap a flight is, and everyone leaves town for the weekend. Good luck finding a $59 flight to SAN on a Friday, there's one flight the last week of June at that price, and you'd need to come back on Sunday at 7:55 am which sorta defeats the purpose of getting out of town. Otherwise, the give-a-way prices look to be mid-week only now.

Any bets on long long ONT will last? SNA would be a winner, that's for sure. I'm doing a FAT-ONT, then ONT-OAK on WN next week cheaper than FAT-SFO on UA. Knowing the delays in SFO, most likely faster too.

Oh, and if anyone from Xjet is reading this - hold time is pretty long. Would be nice to be able to change reservations online....


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 5):
BFL will be the first to implode followed by MRY.

MRY-SAN may not do as badly as people here seem to think. We all know SAN has quite a bit of military presence, and MRY has quite a bit for it's size, with the Naval Postgraduate School, the Defense Language Institute at the Presidio of Monterey, and whatever is left of Fort Ord.


User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 11):
MRY-SAN may not do as badly as people here seem to think

You are sopt on with this. MRY has been doing quite well. The real biggies are OMA, COS, FAT, TUL. Those flights always seem to be doing well. The thinnest is BFL, and I think that has a lot to do with the timing as mentioned above.

I think GEG will be a great hit. That station seems to be one of our best.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting XJET (Reply 12):
I think GEG will be a great hit. That station seems to be one of our best

How are the SMF loads faring in all of this?

-JD


User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 13):
How are the SMF loads faring in all of this?

SMF is doing awesome. The niche routes of GEG, ABQ, OKC, and COS seem to be a big hit. SMF-GEG is one of the most consistently full flights from what I can tell.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quote:
The drive time difference BFL-SMF is only about 40 minutes longer than BFL-SAN.

Well, not if you hit the L.A. metroplex at the wrong time...BFL-SMF goes through Fresno and the central valley "communities" of various sizes and growth rates. For the most part, however, traffic is not terribly heavy. But many is the time that a 3½-4 hour drive from San Diego to Bakersfield has turned into a 6-7½ nightmare for me! It's all about timing.

I think BFL-SMF would be great, in the sense that it is a rather long drive and even Amtrak takes a substantial amount of time.

Quote:
BFL will be the first to implode followed by MRY.

PLEASE don't even THINK that!! I am so hoping that this flight, that I have hoped and prayed for since the day I moved to San Diego, will stay around for a while...I cannot take driving through L.A. anymore!!



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting XJET (Reply 12):
The real biggies are OMA, COS, FAT, TUL. Those flights always seem to be doing well.

Am I right that you are referring only to the SAN flights from those cities?

As WhatUSaid mentioned earlier I think FAT-SAN would do even better with a little changing of the schedule also. I know I've heard from a few business people who would like to be able to do a one day down and back with enough time for a couple of meetings. They'd prefer to sleep in their own homes instead of a hotel, which the current times does not allow.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 15):
BFL-SMF goes through Fresno and the central valley "communities" of various sizes and growth rates. For the most part, however, traffic is not terribly heavy.

Actually Highway 99 is now one big construction zone from Kingsburg (south of Fresno) to Sacramento and will continue that way for the next 4 or 5 years. There is a lot more congestion as people maneuver through the various areas.We got stuck in a 3/4 to 1 hour traffic jam north of Merced a few months ago due to construction.



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User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
Am I right that you are referring only to the SAN flights from those cities?

Yeah, in that reference I was referring to the SAN flights from those stations. That is not to say that the other destinations are doing poorly, I was only concerned with SAN.


User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

While we are on the subject of XJet loads, how are the Tucson flights doing?

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
business people who would like to be able to do a one day down and back

This is an important part of the business model. For about 5 years I flew numerous trips from OAK to PDX for a 3 hours meeting. I went up in the morning and back in the late afternoon. It was great.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 18):
This is an important part of the business model. For about 5 years I flew numerous trips from OAK to PDX for a 3 hours meeting. I went up in the morning and back in the late afternoon. It was great.

Lucky you, my business travel has always meant 4 or 5 nights each week in hotels before I got to return home. Even intra-California I usually had to spend several days in meetings at the client.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

How about OMA? How is it doing?

User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 18):
how are the Tucson flights doing?



Quoting RaginMav (Reply 20):
How about OMA

Both of these are very good stations for loads. The OMA-SAN seems to be doing quite well. ONT is also pretty full despite the YX LAX service.


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