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Varig To Resume GIG-FRA Nonstop  
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Gentlemen,

It's already bookable at VARIG's website:

EFF 16JUN

RG 8778 GIG 12h05 FRA 05h05+1 B763 DAILY
RG 8779 FRA 06h35 GIG 14h05 B763 DAILY


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
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And the battle for FRA begins....

Three planes to run 2 FRA flights only to keep the frequencies... the GIG-FRA timetable is amazing, but the FRA-GIG is something terrible ! Seems that the focus is just to keep the slots.. let's see how ANAC reacts as RG will keep their flights as they need to before June 28.

The only way for TAM will be an increase on the bilateral from 22 to at least 29 weekly flights.

Good to see FRA back as an option to Rio.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

Where else do they serve in Europe....they had a few places before they pretty much went kapput


ROLL TIDE!!!
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Actually, Rio has two options. The GIG-GRU tag-on remains, since it is needed for the rotation of the three 763.

RG 8740 GIG 19h15 GRU 20h15 21h15 FRA 14h30+1 B763
RG 8741 FRA 22h05 GRU 05h00 06h45 GIG 07h45+1 B763

GIG-FRA double daily!!!

P.S.: For the people who like long layovers, specially in Rio, GRU-GIG-FRA and FRA-GIG-GRU are also possible!  bouncy 


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 2):
Where else do they serve in Europe....they had a few places before they pretty much went kapput

So far they only serve FRA but there are expansion plans though.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

FRA without any code-share with other airlines or not being an alliance member, operating from GIG and with a lousy B763? Seems they keep the old DNA and out of their minds.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

This is a complete waste without a partner in Frankfurt. They need to return to Miami, New York City, and Madrid, cities where they do not need an alliance partner to fill flights. Frankfurt needs an alliance partner.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4752 times:
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Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 5):
FRA without any code-share with other airlines or not being an alliance member, operating from GIG and with a lousy B763? Seems they keep the old DNA and out of their minds.

With such time table, aircraft and no partnership no one destination will be profitable. It's not a matter of airport, remember that GIG does not hold a non-stop to FRA, but with such schedule ? Give me a break !

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

'GOL" Linhas Aéreas Inteligentes....

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

TAM - Táxi Aéreo Marília

User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):

Suggest to actualize yourself. It changed in 2001 to TAM- LINHAS AEREAS S.A and there is not MARILIA anymore.

Sleep well,  Embarrassment


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 10):
Suggest to actualize yourself. It changed in 2001 to TAM- LINHAS AEREAS S.A and there is not MARILIA anymore.

Sleep well, Embarrassment

I am very aware of that.

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 5):
Seems they keep the old DNA and out of their minds.

I'm afraid DNA is not something you can get rid of. I think there's nothing worse than renegading one's past and origins. Marília will always be there to haunt JJ. If it weren't such a delicate subject, you wouldn't even bother.


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Bro,

I don´t want to turn this any dispute between you and me ok? But I can guarantee you that I don´t give a dam to this thing of Marilia, Bauru, Araçatuba, etc...you are taking this as something personal while I never wanted too.

Have a ice day  Silly  cool 


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4264 times:
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Back to civil aviation, i heard some comments yesterday about how is the status for the 763 to be used by RG/G3 in order to replace the M11 as well as to add this 2nd flight to FRA.

They should need some huge investment... no IFE, several seats even without radio while some are broken... hope the guys at VEM GIG can handle this, otherwise the only thing will happen is customers will choose another airlines in the future!

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineVbeltraJJ From Brazil, joined Apr 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

This comments just shows us that they are going the wrong way with non profitable airplanes, no partners on those routes and without any planing just to keep their rights. What will come next ? Several flights cancelations and stuff? Let´s just wait to see things going next months.

Cheers,

Victor


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Victor,

I hate B767´s any series...always. My real desire is to have the chance of have a beer on a can where it is written " recycled B767"...but nobody can deny it is a profitable aircraft. I would say it is the wrong aircraft for this long sector. A B767 is a perfect horse for 6 to 7 hrs of flight. More than this is a nightmare from the pax point of view in terms of comfort, etc.

cheers


User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Maybe they will have very low fares to begin with while they improve their aircraft conditions?

I think GOL is pretty smart company and they might have some really good plans for the future  Smile Lets at least hope  Wink


User currently offlineVbeltraJJ From Brazil, joined Apr 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Richard,

I remember that you told me that (about the beer can made of recycled B767 metal) once some time ago, when I was a trainee at TAM and was at your department getting some of your experience. I always thought that this really funny anyway.
Well, nice to hear from you again.

Cheers,

Victor


User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Who would take a flight at 06:35am in Frankfurt? This is the worst schedule they could make for this route. Even for pax close to Frankfurt it's quite difficult to get to the airport in the middle of the night.

If the flight departed GIG some 4 hours later, making GIG-FRA 16:05-09:05 and FRA-GIG 10:35-18:05, the schedule would be more efficient to get some more pax in FRA and still connecting pax at GIG on evening flights.


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Quoting AF086 (Thread starter):
EFF 16JUN

RG 8778 GIG 12h05 FRA 05h05+1 B763 DAILY
RG 8779 FRA 06h35 GIG 14h05 B763 DAILY

Just ridiculous!!! I'll bet many PAX (specially business oriented) would love to leave FRA at 6h35 and waste 1 day of hotel for nothing.

Anyways, RG is set to fail if they keep this idea of using second handed B767 in markets such as CDG, FRA & LHR.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4071 times:

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 18):

If the flight departed GIG some 4 hours later, making GIG-FRA 16:05-09:05 and FRA-GIG 10:35-18:05, the schedule would be more efficient to get some more pax in FRA and still connecting pax at GIG on evening flights.

I agree, the timing of the flight is really bad. But they only have to fill a 767, not a T7 or MD-11


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 15):
A B767 is a perfect horse for 6 to 7 hrs of flight. More than this is a nightmare from the pax point of view in terms of comfort, etc.

Exactly how do you rate comfort? The 767 is the widebody aircraft with the least middle seats for a passenger. If you're speaking specificaly about RG's 767's then that's a different story. The loads on a 767 would have to be very high for you to end up on a middle seat and to me that is a big plus.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4018 times:
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Guys, i disagree about how the 767 is rated in here.

I'm sorry but UA and CO keep very good 767 frames, so update as many A332 and even 772 on customer view in terms of entertainment. And up to 9h flights are not that bad for a 763.
One thing is a Varig old 767-300, another is a CO 764 or 762, DL 764, UA 763.... we can't say ALL Boeing 767.

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineJog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

I just checked the public transport. You can arrive at 3:30 at Frankfurt airport with an ICE train that left Basel at 23:30 the evening before. Alternatively, you can use the first local S-Bahn from downtown Frankfurt arriving at 4:30. Besides this, there are a few long-haul flights which would also arrive just in-time for a connection around 5:30. But from within Europe I did not see a single reasonable connection...

So, my personal guess is that RG just wants to help their customers with the jet-lag. As you have to check-in at 4:30 and you have to get to the airport before there is not really a point for having a hotel/sleep that night. So, as soon as you are on board you might be able to sleep. And this is just 1.30am Brazilian time. So you can have some decent sleep and a nice breakfast afterwards...  Wink

[Edited 2007-05-23 18:05:49]

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Quoting VbeltraJJ (Reply 14):
no partners on those routes

Well, they have the Deutsche Bahn! It's the best thing, if you want to go BSL, STR, MHG, QMZ, ESS, DTM, KSF, NUE, WIE, BRE, HAJ, FKB, HAM etc.


25 Incitatus : The 7-abreast config of the 767 is very good from the passenger point of view. Six out of seven passengers in coach have either a window or an aisle
26 Post contains images PHKLM : Most other people might have a slightly different perception of a relaxing start of their holiday to the beaches of Brazil; but who knows?
27 Post contains images Jog : How could I think about public transport... The same as myself... you also missed the point... This is a special service, dedicated for all the Brazi
28 Bocajoe : I really don't care about what type of airplane that will be used (767, 747, DC-10, MD-11, 707). I will be happy flying again in the 707 to GRU-FRA if
29 Post contains links Dellatorre : Well looks like this recent move is only intended to keep the 07 frequencies they have, since ANAC has just denied RG an extension of the deadline for
30 VbeltraJJ : That´s a surprise for me who criticised how have RG been helped by previous governors. Congratulations to ANAC and I hope Brazil starts to get into t
31 BSBIsland : This is true, but I was referring to public transport, such as trains or buses and connections from other European cities. I believe a considerable a
32 Post contains links and images C010T3 : That's the spirit! Actually, it is not that difficult. At least not from Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof and some other stations. Here is a PDF file with all
33 JJMNGR : My opinion is that a B767 should be considered as a medium body and not a widebody. Sorry B767 lovers...but it is my opinion and not directly to RG 7
34 FLYACYYZ : With the withdrawl of Varig from Star Alliance, how does FRA even remain a priority or profitable??
35 LipeGIG : It's a corporate matter now ! Varig will fly 2x daily just not to allow TAM to get the frequencies. They will lost LHR, CDG, MXP.. but their idea is.
36 MarioSPlane : Lipe, do you know if these 767s are going to be fitted with a two class layout already ? Cheers
37 LipeGIG : Yes Mario, their set-up will be 2 classes, 36C 180Y IIRC. Felipe
38 Ktachiya : Please talk to AC, they are the real nightmare when it comes to Trans-Pacific B767 ops. YYZ-NRT B767 (sometimes during low season, that has got to be
39 MAH4546 : Very close, but MIA-TLV wins that one. 6603mi versus 6415mi.
40 MarioSPlane : Thanks for the info Lipe. If I may bother you again, do you have any idea of what kind of seat those would be ? Anything new or just old RG biz seats
41 Post contains links and images LipeGIG : Mario, old seats on both Y and C. View Large View MediumPhoto © Marcio Gomes Rebello Ferreira View Large View MediumPhoto © Marlo Plate - I
42 FlyDreamliner : Really, how so? If they are outfitted with AC's new interior, I don't see how they could be any less comfortable than any other aircraft in the fleet
43 Hardiwv : In my view this is a charter flight. Period. 100% agree with the above. However, in the case of FRA you certainly need a partner. RG should have tried
44 SAOAP : Gents, just remember one thing: this situation is basically an interim solution so that RG/G3 can secure the slots. There are other 'bizarre' things o
45 Airbazar : And I hope flying empty planes with a few low yielding passengers on the route will kill RG once and for all. This is ridiculous.
46 C010T3 : FRA-GIG will not be profitable and there is no question about it. But the fact is that RG is bringing more 763, so that someday they will operate on
47 Hardiwv : This explains why RG is flying empty a/c. You can try convince anyone, but the matter is simple: no executive/high yiled pax will fly RG. Companies d
48 Glareskin : All so true! Forget about Varig. Think TAM now. They codeshare with LH so they will be able to make Brazil - FRA profitable. Will be even better if t
49 Post contains links LipeGIG : Hardi my comment was about FRA-GIG , not specific to this crazy schedule + 767 case. I forget to be more clear on my statement, so i'm sorry ! I can
50 Airbazar : That's irrelevant. The point is RG without a partner at FRA will never be profitable and they are tying up slots that could be far more valuable to t
51 LipeGIG : US$ 1 billion and a profitable operation is irrelevant ? I can't agree! I believe if you have a bad cash position and face a loss will have problems.
52 Hardiwv : Correct. Today again I've heard anectotal story about TAM UNpuntuality from a business friend who missed a meeting in BSB because the JFK-GRU (as usu
53 Sabena332 : As many others wrote before, these flight times are a huge joke, especially the timing of the FRA-GIG flight. It is absolutely not possible to reach
54 Airbazar : I guess they're about to show us how quickly they can burn through $1billion. Only time will tell but so far I'm not seeing anything encouraging. The
55 LipeGIG : In order not to become a never-end discussion: Okay again, Gol DAILY profit is around R$ 1,1 million. The cost of fly an empty 763 to keep a frequenc
56 Dellatorre : Why people always hope for the worse...? It's obvious this is a temporary schedule, that will be improved once more planes arrive. As said before, G3
57 Hardiwv : Some more fresh news about GOL's plans for the future of RG: - Focus on GIG (yesterday GOL's CEO had dinner with Rio's Governors) - Add to the fleet 9
58 LipeGIG : Hardi, Thanks for the news, amazing ! I hope that Gol in the near future buy some 777/787 as with a better equipment they can easily improve their sta
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