Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Thai Airways 10 Year Fleet Plan  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

Quote:
Thai Airways International plans to buy at least 46 new aircraft in a 10-year plan to modernise its ageing fleet, airline president Apinan Sumanaseni said.

The board of Thailand's flagship carrier would confirm the details in August, but Apinan said the plan was separate from its purchase of eight Airbus A330-300 and six A380 superjumbo planes.

"Initially, we need 46 new aircraft to replace aircraft more than 20 years old. We also plan to buy more to support our expansion," Apinan said.

http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=372891&ssid=53&sid=BUS

This basically confirms that a) the A380 issue has been resolved and b) that Thai Airways will order 8 additional A330-300s. It appears that the aircraft targeted for replacement are the 10 B737-400, 2 B747-300 and several A300-600s. Will be interesting to see what they will do with the A300-600s - it appears that TG currently thinks that the A330-300 is the better people-mover for intra-Asia to date as it is larger (traffic is growing) and not the similar-sized B787-3.


Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
15 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

I'm also very curious to see which plane they will select to replace their B737-400's. Somehow I don't see the A320 in their fleet, but that's just a hunch.

Very interesting indeed and quite a lot of planes as well, 46.

Cheers!  wave 



Only Those Who Sleep Don't Make Mistakes
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

TG would be better off abusing a 788/9, A332/3 or A350XWB than buying 783 that can only be operated only a couple hour radius from Thailand.

Knowing TG's checked fleet history, they might just buy the 738 for TG mainline and A320 for Nok or vice versa.

TG will also sign up for the 748 too.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

I've been writing their credit report and spent much of yesterday trying to make head and tail of their fleet - some odd decisions there, but they do ok, and you'd be absolutely amazed how profitable they are. They are no mugs thats for sure, but with a little tinkering they could be absolutely awesome. Some very impressive numbers I must say.

I genuinely cannot tell you how this is going to go - as with everyone else they will be forced to choose between 787 and A350.

* 772ER vs A333X - messy.
* Two different powerplants on their A306s - not ideal. I've been told the A300 will continue in the fleet for a while yet. 787 replacement maybe? Who knows?
* 744 replacement - NOT getting the upgrades in F, C, and Y that the A340s already have anytime soon and thats a surprise, but I guess thats due to them looking to replace their 744 fleets which they do work incredibly hard. Their early 744s must be very, very high on cycles. My heart says A346HGWs in large numbers, and I do think she has a geniune chance at a real swansong at TG but my head says 77W.
* 734 replacement - I think they will either not replace the narrowbody stuff and transfer it all to NOK Air, or get lots more - A320/737NG - too close to call, but I think A and B will see that as a chance to sweeten any widebody deal with value added "bolt on" orders.
* A345 and A346 - keep hearing things from a number of people (mainly Americans on here it must be said) that they think the A345 isnt up to scratch, but i've spoken to people from TG who say no complaints - fine aircraft. Difficult to call. If they go for large numbers of the 77W to replace the 744s, then logic dictates 77LR but I am just not convinced.

Ideally - I'd like to see a much simplified fleet - but they are bureaucratic and politically led ie: led by people who are installed politically and who have a political agenda (not that thats always a bad thing) but they know what they are doing, and TG are an interesting case where you can play SimAirlineManager where money is (almost) no object.

They are very progressive and like Malaysian, only need a little tweak to be far larger and more influential than they are - ie: SQ levels.

Where do I see TG's fleet by 2012?

Ideal:

A388
A346
A345
A333
787-8
738

Most Likely:

A388
A346
A345
77W
772ER
A333
787-8
738

Probable (joke)

A388
748-I
A346
A346
A345
772A
77W
772LR
ERJ190
C17 Globemaster
A321
739
EMB120
Q400
IL96-300



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

Nice plans, but won't last longer than Apinan... Every TG president seems to have their own plans (at least so far...).


Air Asia Super Elite, Cebu Pacific Titanium
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
it appears that TG currently thinks that the A330-300 is the better people-mover for intra-Asia to date as it is larger (traffic is growing) and not the similar-sized B787-3

The 787-3 is somewhat smaller than the A333 isnt it?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
The 787-3 is somewhat smaller than the A333 isnt it?

Similar-sized to the A300-600 I intended to say - IMO unlikely that they will go for a capacity 1:1 replacement but rather a capacity + X% growth option replacement. And that´s where I see additional A330-300s.



Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
User currently offlineThaiaggie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

I think 748 will be ordered as TG needs these jumbo for Europe routes like CPH, ARN where 380 is too big and 346 is too small.


Barrow, Alaska in Feb. It was Cold!
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Quoting Thaiaggie (Reply 7):
I think 748 will be ordered as TG needs these jumbo for Europe routes like CPH, ARN where 380 is too big and 346 is too small.

I honestly dont think they will.


User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Quoting Thaiaggie (Reply 7):
I think 748 will be ordered as TG needs these jumbo for Europe routes like CPH, ARN where 380 is too big and 346 is too small

I honestly think they will.



319 320 313 722 732 733 735 73G 738 739 742 752 763 772 CRJ D9S ERJ EMB L10 M88 M90 SF3 AT4
User currently offlineThaiA345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 877 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Well guys, this is TG we are talking about and they are notorious about not being true or sticking to their words. But if I were to be systematic (i.e. no influence from politicians!!) 1st, get rid of all AB6 and 2nd B734. Its way due for them to start rationalising their fleet!

And maybe earlier versions of B744 can be replaced by A346HGW?? Just a thought as the wait list is not long on these babies.


User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting Thaiaggie (Reply 7):


 checkmark 

However the management are planning to prepare CPH for the WhaleJet.

In my book its 50/50 if they will order the 748, they could go for the A346 and or the 77W to replace the old 747´s.



757/777-A340/A380, Love them.
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Probable (joke)

A388
748-I

no joke at all......



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting Basefly (Reply 11):
the 77W to replace the old 747´s.

I think B77W is the way to go for TG.
Maintain the newer refurbed B744s where capacity warrants it, and put the B77Ws on other European sectors (MXP, FCO, MAD etc). The twins are well within range to all European destinations, and could be used to Australia if required.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10699 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2661 times:

A dozen 747-8Is for expansion and to replace the 744s which are not replaced by A380s are very likely to me. A350s in different versions I see having a high chance as well. 773ERs and A346s unwise and unlikely, as they will be surpassed by 748Is and 350s.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2627 times:

I am not sure that Thai Airways actually plans its fleet.......it just buys a few of each type produced!!

Actually, thats not very nice and I have had good experiences flying with Thai, but their fleet has always been and continues to be a mystery to me.......I realize that fleet and engine choices at Thai have been influenced by politics, the military, various managment changes and probably some underhanded side deals over the years, but it is very very difficult to try to figure out what he airline has in mind.

Its interesting that Thai has now determined that the A330 would be a suitable replacement for the A306s, until now Thai took the posiiton that the A333 was too much airplane for many of the missions flown by the A306.

Thai has 772ERs on the way (to join the existing 772A/773A fleet), new A333s on the way (to join the very early build less capable A330s currently in the fleet) and presumably some A388s on order......and now another 46 airplanes will be ordered, thats an ambitious plan, lets see what happens.

As for the A345/A346, its my understanding that Thai has no particular issue with the airplanes, its simply that the ULH routes from BKK to LAX and JFK were not showing a profit. There was discussion that Thai would re-route the US services via another Asian city to increase revenue and loads, making the A345 unnecessary, and that is how the rumor Thai was unhappy with the A345 and looking to get rid of them got started. Of course, in typical Thai Airways fashion, days after the information concerning the lack of profitability on the BKK-JFK/LAX routes was circulated, Thai increased frequency on the routes, so who knows what to think?

Whatever Thai decides, it will be interesting.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
British Airways's Fleet Plan posted Wed Apr 21 2004 18:43:57 by Businessboy
Thai Airways Fleet Expansion Plans posted Sun Dec 7 2003 07:52:00 by BOEING747400
Thai Airways Fleet? posted Wed Jun 9 1999 17:06:05 by Stewardess
Help! 10 Year Background Check US Customs! posted Wed May 16 2007 15:18:37 by DABTH747
Royal Jordanian / Boeing Confirm 787 Fleet Plan posted Wed May 9 2007 03:51:57 by Hamlet69
US Airways Logic: Regional Fleet Decision Making? posted Tue Apr 10 2007 20:29:06 by CF188A
Thai Airways Safety Demo posted Sun Apr 1 2007 23:15:13 by SQ_EK_freak
Cargo News - Several Fleet Plan Updates posted Fri Mar 30 2007 13:12:12 by Flying-Tiger
Thai Airways 777-300 Interior Upgrade posted Thu Feb 8 2007 01:28:06 by Sydscott
Thai Airways 747-300; Which Routes? posted Thu Feb 1 2007 19:25:48 by Superfly