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Israir Incident Berlin 22 May 2007  
User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Smoke was detected in the cabin of flight 251 during landing at SCHONEFELD

The 163 pax and crew including one infant evacuated by slides.One passenger was injured and taken to hospital

Anyone have more info?

Cheers!
Tony

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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

An Israeli plane with 163 passengers made an emergency landing at a Berlin airport, an airport spokeswoman said Wednesday, but federal authorities ruled out the possibility it was an attack.

Smoke was detected in the cabin of Israir flight 251 during landing at Berlin's Schoenefeld airport on Tuesday night Rosemarie Meichsner said, adding that the pilot had radioed for emergency assistance.

Germany's Federal Agency for Aircraft Accident Investigation said authorities had ruled out the possibility of a terror attack, following an investigation.

"Nothing happened," agency investigator Klaus Buettner said. "The smoke entered the cabin through the air conditioning and had developed in connection with the engine."

The passengers, including a baby, left the aircraft through emergency slides, she said. One woman was injured and taken to a hospital."




Smoke in the cabin...developed in connection with the engines.....quite the same incident which resulted in the aborted t/o of an LY flight a few weeks ago....when passengers had also to evacuate the plane through the emergency slides.....

Anyway, Israir is experiencing an alarming number of technical incidents...while its fleet is consisting of just a few airplanes.



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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

Doesn't using the emergency slides due to smoke in the cabin not seem a bit drastic?

Dominic



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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 2):
Doesn't using the emergency slides due to smoke in the cabin not seem a bit drastic?

Yes it might seem, but on the other hand smoke is sometimes the result of a fire, and if there's a fire onboard, there's a potential danger for the passengers and they must be evacuated as quickly as possible.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Which aircraft was it? On the Jpost website there is a pic of the 763, but they are only used on the JFK flights I thought? Probably it was one of their Airbuses, who is responcible for Maintanance for them BTW? Is LY Tech doing only Boeing or also Airbus planes? When arriving at the gate in TLV on tuesday I saw the Israir 763 parked next to my plane in the afternoon, maybe they took it to Europe after and it was that flight?

[Edited 2007-05-26 11:10:38]

User currently offlineDelta777jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

According to my information, it was an A 320 wet-leased from Latvian Airline LatCharter.
They flying one of the oldest A 320's out there I think.



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User currently offlineASQX01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Which tail nuber it was?

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

if it was an A320 it must've been YL-LCA which had it's first flight in 1992 or YL-LCB which had it's first flight in 1993.

User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 1):

Anyway, Israir is experiencing an alarming number of technical incidents...while its fleet is consisting of just a few airplanes.

whats that supposed to mean?

its not like they do their own maintenance



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User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 2):
Doesn't using the emergency slides due to smoke in the cabin not seem a bit drastic?

Considering that flashover due to a fire can occur in 90 seconds, probably not. It's always a challenge to weigh the risk/benefits of an evacuation though slides (almost always someone gets injured), but the truth remains you don't really have much time to decide to announce "evacuate, evacuate, evacuate".



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

There was a small article in the haaretz newspapaer this morning that the German Federal Agency for Aircraft Accident investigation and the Israeli Transportation Ministry are currently investigating last wednesdays incident but didn't come to any conclusions so far.

User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1748 times:

Quoting A380US (Reply 8):
Anyway, Israir is experiencing an alarming number of technical incidents...while its fleet is consisting of just a few airplanes.


whats that supposed to mean?

its not like they do their own maintenance

I don't know who is doing the maintenance for Israir, but if you make a search for incidents involving Israir planes you'll find an impressive list, even more impressive if you have in mind the size of Israir's fleet. Numerous emergency landings, a depressurization incident over Greece during which several passengers experienced pains in their ears, or even a potential disaster on the ground at JFK when the pilots of the airline's 763 wrongly crossed a runway on which a cargo DC-8 was taking off.

I personnally would not board an Israir flight...



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User currently offlineDelta777jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1727 times:

Once again, I think for this flight ISRAIR had only commercial responsibility as the operation was done by LatCharter Airlines under YL- reg and AOC.


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User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting Delta777jet (Reply 12):
Once again, I think for this flight ISRAIR had only commercial responsibility as the operation was done by LatCharter Airlines under YL- reg and AOC.

BTW, I don't like at all when airlines (charter or regular) are using other airlines' planes and crew without indicating it in advance to the pax... LY is also doing this regularly during peak periods, and has often leased airplanes, sometimes with their crews... Remember the "El Al MD-11"? El Al never had any MD-11, so that those "LY flights" were actually World Airways flights operated on a World Airways MD-11 with its World Airways crew (btw, isn't this called "wet lease"?)

Anyway back to the topic, even though this flight (Berlin) was not operated by Israir, it doesn't change anything to the fact that Israir planes are experiencing too many incidents.



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