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Ryanair At MAD And Other Stuff...  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Posted (6 years 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

FR will be basing two more 73Hs in MAD from this Nov. This means that there will be 7 or so new routes. The following routes were copied-and-pasted by me from Pprune, and although they'll probably all exist from MAD at some point, it'll be fascinating to see which of these, if any, occur in this round:

MAD-FKB
MAD-NRN
MAD-HHN
MAD-LPL
MAD-TSF
MAD-TPS
MAD-AHO (less likely to be CAG)

Moreover, there's a rumour - funny how they always exist - that FR will announce another Spanish base this year (MOL is said to have said in "Southern Spain") and possibly announce another UK base in a few weeks (hmm).

Life without rumour is like life without air.

[Edited 2007-05-23 15:31:07]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

You're late, Pe@rson; I made a post on it 2 days ago  Wink But I didn't have as much routes as you (I only knew of LPL, HHN and NRN), so let's keep this thread.

No real surprises as you see, however I had expected NYO and STN to be added in this round too. I always thought U2 did operate STN-MAD, but they don't so it's an unserved route - very strange considering that both MAD and STN are bases for both FR and U2!

I do expect one or 2 more destinations to be added; this service allows for 5 daily destinations and 2 others 3/4-weekly; however as I expect NRN and FKB to receive non-daily services too, there might be room for one more flight.


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

MAD-LPL isn't new; it has operated for a few years!


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User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 2):
MAD-LPL isn't new; it has operated for a few years!

Ya, by EZY, but not by FR.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):

MAD-FKB
MAD-NRN
MAD-HHN
MAD-LPL
MAD-TSF
MAD-TPS
MAD-AHO (less likely to be CAG)

What about PIK-MAD?


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 4012 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
MAD and STN

Hmm. There's an awful lot of flights already from London to Madrid; indeed, U2 alone flies up to 6-daily on the route. Then there's BA (from LHR, LGW and LCY), IB... Of course, STN doesn't, as you said, have a MAD link, but I don' t think they'll fly MAD-LON for a while. But who knows for certain?  Wink

Incidentally, I flew LPL-MAD-LPL a few years ago.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Moreover, there's a rumour - funny how they always exist - that FR will announce another Spanish base this year (MOL is said to have said in "Southern Spain")

According to Luchtvaartnieuws, he said it to Spanish media. Luchtvaartnieuws mentioned, besides the Souther Spain option, als REU. Reus has been mentioned before, and was always limited by the current terminal. AFAIK, they are currently expanding the airport, so it might well become a base after construction has finished.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
and possibly announce another UK base in a few weeks (hmm).

Isn't BOH on the rumour list for months now?

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 3):
Ya, by EZY, but not by FR.

I find it interesting that they want to enter the competition with EZY, probably their strongest competitor. I'm very surprised when they pick LPL before STN.

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 3):
What about PIK-MAD?

There is hardly any doubt that they'll operate it at one time. There are actually many many routes that I'm sure they want to operate once they have the aircraft. On the meantime, they are adding more and more new cities to their network.

As I see it, they use the current economic upswing to establish new frontiers. When the economy is good, they can easily market new places (Vaxjo, Maribor, Trapani); try the demand from the routes, establish their name, etc. When the economy will slow down, they can play a safer game by expanding frequencies on already established routes; routes that are operated 3 or 4 weekly now and can easily take daily or double-daily frequencies.


User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
Reus has been mentioned before

Reus is in north eastern Spain, where FR already have a base in Girona serving 40+ destinations.

Murcia, serves the most FR destinations from southern Spain & all are hubs - 9.

Judging by the amount of concrete being chucked around down there. I can really see them expanding here or at Almeria. Both airports sandwich the Costa Del Concrete. Think 1000's of condo's/apartments/second homes/expats/golf courses, etc


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting IcLCY (Reply 6):
Reus is in north eastern Spain, where FR already have a base in Girona serving 40+ destinations.

I know where Reus is located, but I'm refering to this article.

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2007/01/11/afx3320619.html

Currently, they already serve a couple of flights from REU, and it serves a bit different area than GRO. Of course, both can be used to access Barcelona, but REU is way more convenient for the Salou area, etc.

I won't be surprised to see Murcia or Almeria to become bases too, though. Actually, I expect them to open 5 or 6 bases in Spain in the next 5 years.

Quoting IcLCY (Reply 6):

Judging by the amount of concrete being chucked around down there.

Are they expanding MJV? Do you have more information on it, I'm very interested.


User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
Are they expanding MJV?

It wasn't the airport I was referring too. It was the region between MJV & Almeria I was referring too. The area is undergoing a huge construction boom. Lots of 'Urbanizations', golf courses, country clubs, marinas, new towns.

All the farmers who had hot houses in the coastal belt have been compensated by the regional/national goverment & are moving further inland to free up more land for further development.

One if not both airports are gowing to need to expand to cope with the demand that will come. Having a place on the coast west of Almeria I've only experienced that airport & its very small. When you've got FR & EZY flights checking in at the same time the queue goes out the door. Theres only a handful of desks.


User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
I find it interesting that they want to enter the competition with EZY, probably their strongest competitor.

I don't think the possibility of going head-to-head with EZY has, or will ever, deter FR from launching new routes or expanding into new markets. Just this year they launched LPL-ALC in direct competition with EZY, not to mention their battle on the LGW-SNN/ORK/NOC routes.


User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

How about flights to the Canary Islands from MAD. LPA/ACE not yet servied....
Maybe Ryanair will set up a base on one of the Islands....?



from the Island with sun and great photo's.. Why not visit Lanzarote
User currently offlineDme From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

Might be Alicante a hub of Ryanair?. In fact, Easyjet is one of the main, if not the main, airline in Alicante.

Regards,
Dme.


Pd. You can see the new terminal which is being built in Alicante -> New Terminal Area In Alicante (by Dme Mar 18 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Well I'll be doing my second FAO MAD roundtrip next month - Eur 25 all in. My first time I didn't know what to expect, but as it flew from FAO (genuinely FAO, not some dirt strip 70 miles away) and arrived in actual MAD (again, I was half expecting to really end up in Valladolid), they even used an airbridge rather than a bus... waaaay too civilized!!!! Too bad they dropped FAO GRO though.


Breakfast in BHX, lunch in FAO, dinner in TIP, baggage in YYC.
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4914 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 9 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 3):
What about PIK-MAD?

Probably not any time soon. PIK's owner, Infratil, keeps saying it wants to attract new routes/airlines on profitable terms. So no lucrative deals for FR. And if other airports will go the extra mile to get Ryanair flights, then PIK will loose out

Quote:
IAE's three airports recorded 3.1 million passenger movements and 56,500 tonnes of freight. Management remain focussed on attracting additional carriers and doing so on profitable terms

http://www.infratil.com/1/6901.htm

Having said that Lubeck has got a couple of new routes recently from FR, and is also owned by Infratil. Perhaps costs are different there



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User currently offlineOtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

There's a new airport going to be built to replace MJV - which is primarily military anyway - expected to be opened 2009..
According to the local Brtitish press out here it is said that Ryanair have expressed a strong interest in operating from the new airport as have Easyjet and J2.
It will be located at Corvera - about half way between Murcia and Fuente Alamo in Murcia

The following article is from Round Town News
"San Javier belongs to the national airport operator, Aena, while Corvera is a project of the Murcia region itself. The contract for the new airport has been awarded to the Aeromur consortium, which is lead by the Sacyr group. The airport will be built and operated over a 40-year concession period. The new airport is expected to receive its first flights in 2009. Low cost airlines were quick to react to the announcement, with reports that within hours of the award, Jet2 and Easyjet had been in contact with the winning consortium that has been talking with some 15 budget airlines over the past few months. The big attraction of the new airport at Corvera is that it will operate 24-hours a day - unlike San Javier which is restricted mainly to afternoon and evening operations as the facility is shared with the Spanish air force. That hasn't stopped Aenea investing heavily, however, in new facilities there, including a new runway and a second control tower which are expected to open this year. Corvera will feature one runway with a modern passenger terminal, parking and all other facilities. The terminal will have an area of 28,000 square metres with nine air bridges allowing direct access to aircraft. The construction cost is estimated at 185 million euros.

"The forecast usage for the opening year is five million passengers, with this rising to nine million in 2015 and more than 14 million in 2030. Other members of the Aeromur group include Cajamurcia, Caja de Ahorros del Mediterráneo, Grupo Fuertes, Cementos La Cruz, Grupo Monthisa and Inocsa. The award of the concession was made after an international competition and assessment of proposals. No money is being put into the development by the regional government with the concession holder responsible for all expenditure. Corvera is located near Fuente Alamo, and is well placed to serve the whole of Murcia. It is also close to motorways connecting to Alicante, so Aena could face competition for its airport there as well as at San Javier from an aggressive new private operator. No wonder, the low-cost airlines have already been in touch and stiff price competition can be expected when landing fees and service charges are discussed in the future. Provisional figures from Aena show traffic grew strongly at San Javier during 2006, with a total of 1,646,886, passengers, an increase of 16.2 percent. Aircraft movements totaled 18,236, up 7.1 percent. Airlines serving San Javier are Air Berlin, British Airways, Easyjet, Flybe, Iberia, Jet2, Monarch, Norwegian and Ryanair. Traffic is also strong this year, with 211,246 passengers in the first two months and 2,502 aircraft movements."

Hope this is informative
Brgds
Tony



oTny
User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
Are they expanding MJV? Do you have more information on it, I'm very interested.

Well, MJV is getting a new parallel rwy and expanded terminal facilities (and a new tower I think). You can see the new rwy on google maps. The national government has preferred this option rather than building a new airport, as demanded by the regional government. It still has the problem of being an AFB open to civilian traffic and not a dedicated civilian airport, and also being far from the two main cities (Murcia and Cartagena), though close to the touristic areas.

Despite the decision to expand MJV, the Murcia regional government is going to build a new (dedicated) airport in Corvera with private investment, and it will be privately managed (not by AENA). Construction has already been approved, but expect a few years for it to be completed.

[Edited 2007-05-24 00:42:08]

User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Well looks like Tony beat me to it and posted a much more detailed reply!

I have been looking for info on the new Corvera airport on the net lately but have been so far unsuccesful  Sad


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Quoting R2rho (Reply 15):

Well, MJV is getting a new parallel rwy and expanded terminal facilities (and a new tower I think). You can see the new rwy on google maps.

The runway on Google maps seems rather short, about 1600 meters? Is it just not finished yet, or will it solely be used by the military?


User currently offlineOtnySASLHR From Spain, joined May 2007, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Quoting R2rho (Reply 16):
I have been looking for info on the new Corvera airport on the net lately but have been so far unsuccesful

I searched for "New Airport at Corvera" & "Corvera" and there's lots of little bits and snippets

There is a picture of the planned new airport at
http://www.roundtownnews.co.uk/content/view/10632/34/

Brgds Tony



oTny
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

In Southern Spain, the most likely options, in my opinion, are Seville, Granada, Malaga and Alicante. Elsewhere in Spain, if MOL had lied about the location, Valencia, Vitoria (60 KM/40 minutes by car from Bilbao; I'm assuming sufficient airport infrastructure), Palma, Tenerife North and Santiago can be added to the list of potential bases. Zaragoza, Spain's fifth-largest city with 661,000 inhabitants, is never mentioned. I don't think Reus or Murcia will become the next base. If I had to choose 2 most likely options, I'd choose Seville and Valencia. But who knows aside from those in FR?


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

apparently, BRS would be the only new base for this year.
there are so many bases expanding (GRO, BRE, BGY, NRN,...) is there any aircrafts left for a new base?
next week, MOL should be coming to MRS for a press conferences so wait and see what he has to say.



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Quoting RyanairCRL (Reply 20):
is there any aircrafts left for a new base?

According to the managing director of Eindhoven airport, they are still considering one more continental European base. Reportedly, Eindhoven makes a good chance of becoming a new base in November, when they can get the sunday-morning-no-flight restriction lifted.

This week, EIN is taking all traffic from NRN (as NRN is resurfacing it's runway) and they considered it as a test, mostly to see what noise problems they would get. Today, Luchtvaartnieuws.nl mentioned that the results are very good, there were no more complains about noise than before all the extra flights.

However, I wouldn't hold my breath. And of course, O'Leary said that they needed to decide before the end of May, in order to get the November aircraft. However, if EIN get's final permission in July, they will likely become a base in January or such.

Currently for the period June-December, the following allocations have been announched:
NRN: +4
BRE: +1
BGY: +2
GRO: +2
BRS: +2

And of course the rumoured:
MAD: +2

And the new Spanish base. Makes 13 aircraft allocated. Does anybody have delivery and retirement schedules?


User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

FR is supposed to get 34 aircrafts this year. I think it is 3 every month except for December and January where it's only 2.
For retirements, I've got no idea.



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User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 21):
Does anybody have delivery and retirement schedules?

19 aircraft are still due to be delivered before the year is out, however 10 aircraft are due to be retried between Sep-Nov 2007 acording to Jethros, with a futher 9 retired in 2008.

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
Isn't BOH on the rumour list for months now?

It's almost certain, and has been reported by Ryanair that they'd launch a new route every year and eventually make it a base by around 2010/11. Already however, they've launched; Nantes (Brittany), Marseille, Madrid & Shannon within the last 12 months.


User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 17):

According to Aena, the old rwy is 2300x60m. Don't know about the new one. If you look on Google Maps, there's still a dirt strip on the north end that is presumably not yet finished. The south end seems done. But yes, it is quite a bit shorter than the old one. I'm not sure about what use each will have, though. Perhaps one will be exclusively military and the other exclusively civilian.

Quoting OtnySASLHR (Reply 18):

Little bits and snippets indeed! But nothing that would satisfy an a.netter! The article you quote is the most extense piece of info I've seen so far. Would be nice to see some more detailed plans published some day...


25 Post contains images Bimmerkid19 : Has Ryanair ...gone MAD ?
26 Joost : If he announces a base expansion, they will probably re-launch their Moroccon routes.
27 RyanairCRL : that's what we're hoping for. They have been announced from HHN and GRO and the DGAC (French civil aviation) have said that now we can operate the fl
28 Sv2008 : I wouldn't say Cartagena is far - about 20 mins drive? Murcia is quite far away though. It is next to the motorway so is easy to get to. MJV is in a
29 Aussie_ : How's the CRL base going?? Never seem to be much announcements there - only new destinations seem to be at the expense of existing ones... Any new air
30 Joost : The current CRL terminal does not have space for more aircraft based there, as it has only 4 gates. In the early morning, when all 4 based aircraft d
31 FlyTUITravel : So they'll be going to other operators or just being sold and leased-back? Are they on the market now? flyTUITravel.
32 RyanairCRL : and even that is apparently a bit too much. According to "rumours", FR wanted to do a daily MRS-CRL but the airport refused because it was too much.
33 Post contains links BmiBaby737 : Retired means out of Ryanair service. They'l be sold. See this thead: FR's Early 738s (by VS773ER May 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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