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User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Just curious..How many do we have at this current time? Who flies them and where? Also, what future internationals flights could PDX see in the next 5 years?

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User currently offlinePDXBJV From Turkey, joined Apr 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

We currently have 4 international flights. Air Canada Jazz to YVR, NW to NRT, LH to FRA and Mexicana to Mexico City and Guadalajara.

I've read other places on this forum that AMS is one that may come about next. Who knows though. I would love to see a flight to LHR or hell even LGW would be fine!



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User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

Do you think Horizon will even expand to other Canadian cities out of PDX?

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6672 times:

http://www.flypdx.com/NonStop/Search.aspx

FRA LH
GDL MX
NRT NW
YVR QX, Jazz

MX should be starting MEX sometime soon, and AS does Puerta Valerta seasonaly now. I thought QX served more than YVR, but I guess that most of the Canadadian flying is out of SEA.



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User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 2):
Do you think Horizon will even expand to other Canadian cities out of PDX?

One would hope you would at least see YVR, YYC, YEG soon.


User currently offlineJetboy319 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Air Canada Jazz - Vancouver
Alaska Airlines - Los Cabos, Puerto Vallarta (Seasonal)
Horizon Air - Vancouver
Lufthansa - Frankfurt
Mexicana - Guadalajara, Mexico City
Northwest - Tokyo/Narita

As stated earlier, Amsterdam on KLM or Northwest would be the next likely city with some saying an announcement should come in '08. I personally would rather have Virgin Atlantic to London but that's just me.  Smile Cheers!


User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6579 times:

I rembember when DL had a bunch of MD-11 flights to Japan out of PDX.

Someone told me that they used to call the airport "DePortland" because the immigration folks were so tough.


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Does Alaska plan to continue the seasonal flights to Mexico later this year out of PDX?

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1922 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

the AMS rumor mill is alive and kicking....I also think LHR makes more sense, but connections on KLM/NW can not be denied


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User currently offlineAyubogg From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2007, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

Quoting Jetboy319 (Reply 5):
Air Canada Jazz - Vancouver
Alaska Airlines - Los Cabos, Puerto Vallarta (Seasonal)
Horizon Air - Vancouver
Lufthansa - Frankfurt
Mexicana - Guadalajara, Mexico City
Northwest - Tokyo/Narita

I hear MX will begin non stop service to MEX around June 3rd. This is great because for me the GDL stop was kind of a hassle everytime I flew that flight. I would love to see another Europe flight. LHR would be the obvious choice but AMS would be awesome since a KLM 744 in PDX would be quite the sight! SEA makes this harder for us here though. I heard that back in the day there were 747's in PDX for Asia flights but I'm not sure if this is just a rumor or if it is true. I guess another Asia flight would really put PDX in the west coast airport map.



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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Quoting Ayubogg (Reply 9):
AMS would be awesome since a KLM 744 in PDX

More likely an A330 or a 767/777.


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

IQuoting Ayubogg (Reply 9):
AMS would be awesome since a KLM 744 in PDX

More likely an A330 or a 767/777.

I absolutely agree......For international routes to Asia or Europe, a 744 would definitely be to much capacity out of Portland at this point..However that could change in the years to come..........I could see KLM use an A330 on this route if it ever begins..


User currently offlineAyubogg From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2007, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6164 times:

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 11):
I absolutely agree......For international routes to Asia or Europe, a 744 would definitely be to much capacity out of Portland at this point..However that could change in the years to come..........I could see KLM use an A330 on this route if it ever begins..

Perhaps so but I think a KLM 747 could be possible in the future seeing as KLM flies to places like MEX with their 747's and from what I understand the Mexican-Dutch market isn't that constant (compared to BA, IB, LH, and AF who are the other European carriers that fly into MEX and they DO have a market for those nations). Yes, A330's could be KLM's initial fleet to PDX but we don't even know for sure if the route will ever operate... sigh



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 11):
I absolutely agree......For international routes to Asia or Europe, a 744 would definitely be to much capacity out of Portland at this point..However that could change in the years to come..........I could see KLM use an A330 on this route if it ever begins..

If AMS is added it will be serviced by NW. I heard from a very reliable source that AMS has been on the table at NW for a while now. It is pretty much a done deal to be announced in '08.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 13):
If AMS is added it will be serviced by NW. I heard from a very reliable source that AMS has been on the table at NW for a while now. It is pretty much a done deal to be announced in '08.

In that case...Get ready for another A330... Sad Maybe a 787 when those come online.

What about the rumor that LH is thinking of upgrade the A340-300 to something bigger??


User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 14):
What about the rumor that LH is thinking of upgrade the A340-300 to something bigger??

I know they have or are going to change this to Daily 365 days a year. A 744 would be nice to see in the summer!  Wink


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5872 times:

Actually it's 5 days a week during the winter and daily during the Spring, Summer, and fall.............

User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

PDX needs a flight to Russia,..We have a huge Russian population in the state of Oregon......

User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 17):
PDX needs a flight to Russia,..We have a huge Russian population in the state of Oregon......

And how many of them can afford plane tickets home to visit??

Down in my area, all the Russian families are typically pretty cash strapped...


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 17):
We have a huge Russian population in the state of Oregon......

What is huge?

Quoting Ayubogg (Reply 9):
I heard that back in the day there were 747's in PDX for Asia flights but I'm not sure if this is just a rumor or if it is true.

Yes, it is true, United operated the 747-200 into Portland when they first received authorization to serve NRT, the service was split with Seattle, and both flights originated in Chicago. But 747s did operate nonstop from PDX to Asia, it is not a rumor.

Quoting Ayubogg (Reply 9):
I guess another Asia flight would really put PDX in the west coast airport map.

If it happens, it will probably be to Korea.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4147 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 18):
Down in my area, all the Russian families are typically pretty cash strapped...

The Russians here seem to have plenty of money from what I've seen living here.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting Ayubogg (Reply 12):

Perhaps so but I think a KLM 747 could be possible in the future seeing as KLM flies to places like MEX with their 747's and from what I understand the Mexican-Dutch market isn't that constant (compared to BA, IB, LH, and AF who are the other European carriers that fly into MEX and they DO have a market for those nations).

Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world...Portland's a little ways further down that list. Keep in mind that the Mexico-Holland market probably doesn't give KL as much feed on that route as Mexico-Europe does via connections.

AMS-PDX? Yes, probably sooner than later. KL 744? No.

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 17):
PDX needs a flight to Russia,..We have a huge Russian population in the state of Oregon......

Same can be said of Seattle, and we couldn't support service even a few times a week. Not happening.

I like Portland a lot, but some of you PDXers have some pretty strange ideas about what international service is feasible from your neighborhood...the service there is pretty comparable with other non-hub markets of the same size, and while the area is growing, it has some pretty big west coast markets to compete with for new service. I'd put money on NW to AMS and __ to ICN in the next 5-7 years, but not much else.



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Quoting Ayubogg (Reply 9):
I heard that back in the day there were 747's in PDX for Asia flights but I'm not sure if this is just a rumor or if it is true.

Didn't Pan Am use 747's at PDX from the early 1970's until the Pacific routes were sold to UA?


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 20):
The Russians here seem to have plenty of money from what I've seen living here.

Well, that's probably why they're more cash strapped down my way. Housing is cheaper.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 21):
like Portland a lot, but some of you PDXers have some pretty strange ideas about what international service is feasible from your neighborhood...the service there is pretty comparable with other non-hub markets of the same size, and while the area is growing, it has some pretty big west coast markets to compete with for new service. I'd put money on NW to AMS and __ to ICN in the next 5-7 years, but not much else.

No offense...But the recent growth out of PDX would seem to say otherwise. PDX has grown a lot in the last year. I wouldn't put it past other airlines to explore the market. Don't forget that PDX was once a large Asian gateway...And is set up to be again, I think. The Asian population up here would fill the demand, as well as the business need. I don't think it is unreasonable to think that PDX could see some pretty significant international growth in the near future.


User currently offlineLHPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

With the Robust growth at PDX I also hope to see more domestic flights in the years to come..................

25 LambertMan : That won't be happening. What some people don't realize is that a lot of Russians don't have a lingering desire to return to their homeland (and I me
26 Viscount724 : As I recall, Pan Am never operated transpacific services from PDX, apart from PDX-HNL. I flew a PA 707 HNL-PDX-SEA in 1970. I think it stopped in PDX
27 Dutchjet : Its very very strange that no one seems to know anything about this PDX-AMS nonstop except for a.net members......sorry to say, but this rumor has ta
28 Flashmeister : I disagree that San Jose would be a valid comparison. Driving from San Jose to SFO to catch an international flight is far easier than a Portlander d
29 Post contains images EVA777SEA : The asian population in the PDX area is about 110,000. This is not enough to support the previous DL flights by O&D alone... There has not been a fli
30 LHPDX : EvA..fine ..PDX cannot support anything then, maybe the existing airlines should just leave town........Are you happy now?
31 Viscount724 : True, but considering the economic disparities and average salaries in MEX and PDX, the number of people in each city who can afford air travel may b
32 Dutchjet : What a mature comment. Portland has a good amount of international service for a city its size, is that hard to understand? Being so close to SEA and
33 LHPDX : Dude I was being sarcastic...For some reason on this site if you mention anything about Portland, the responses are mostly negative....However, I real
34 Dutchjet : Someone with a sense of humor at a.net is indeed rare..........cheers.
35 Stirling : I believe that 707 continued on its way for London...HNL-PDX-SEA-LHR. Later, in PA's life at PDX, there were only two 727 flights a day to make conne
36 Dutchjet : Oh my, I do remember that flight as well. Interesting post. thanks.
37 Post contains links EVA777SEA : I got it from the 2005 American Community Survey data for the Portland MSA. http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...ang=en&-_caller=geoselect&-format=
38 Post contains images N174UA : BA most likely. Maybe VS or BMI, but probably BA. One day. And they'll do what it takes to stay in that dance...stag. All they have to do is upgrade
39 Post contains links and images Stirling : My very first photo as spotter, taken from Marine Drive, was of both the east and westbound 747s sitting together over there at what is now Concourse
40 Post contains images Jetboy319 : Not quite TWICE the size.... According to the US Census Bureau website the estimated population of the Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue MSA in July 2006 was 3
41 EVA777SEA : He was referring to the Seattle CSA which is infact about 4 million people.
42 Jetboy319 : You are correct, the estimated 06' CSA for the Seattle area is indeed 3,806,453. I can't find the CSA numbers for Portland. I would be interested to
43 HPRamper : I've heard it on the employee bus at work. And it was referred to as a NW flight, not KLM. That's an O&D argument. PDX has a good amount of Skyteam f
44 EVA777SEA : That is because there is no Portland CSA. I believe that there used to be a Portland CSA that had Salem in it but I guess the census folks got rid of
45 Post contains images N174UA : Happy days. Sadly, gone forever. I remember many a time riding a DC-8 or DC-10 between PDX and ORD/DEN, and even SFO....Flight 183 went PDX-SFO-HNL,
46 Jetboy319 : Lets look at the PDX Catchment Area. According to the PDX 2000 Master Plan, the PDX Catchment Area consists of the following Washington State Countie
47 EVA777SEA : Now take pretty much the whole state of Washington and you have SEA's catchment area... Probably close to 6 million.
48 FlyPeoria : The reason I asked is because there's a photo in a 1980 book called "Airports of the World", by John Stroud, that shows a Pan Am 747 at end of one of
49 Ayubogg : I really enjoy this thread but we should try and shift it back to PDX and its International service instead of so much talk on census and what not. Su
50 Viscount724 : Or it may have been a weather diversion from SEA. Pan Am used the 747 on their nonstop SEA-LHR route for many years. If memory correct, when they dro
51 Dutchjet : I am also working from memory, but I think that I remember PA flying a 747 on its SEA-HNL route.....PA also flew a 747 on the SEA-FAI route for a cou
52 Post contains images Jetboy319 : If you compare the Portland MSA to the Seattle CSA then yes, you are correct, it is twice as big. And if you compare the PDX Catchment area to the en
53 EVA777SEA : In this case, you can compare the Seattle CSA and the Portland MSA. The Seattle CSA is the primary census statistical area for Seattle and the likewi
54 Post contains images Stirling : I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.... Yes, United started service to NRT, splitting it between PDX and SEA in '83, as has been stated, the
55 EVA777SEA : I've always wondered about this also. I wonder how the new AM flight at SEA will affect Mexicana's PDX flights... It's about 217 miles from Pasco to
56 Jetboy319 : Not according to the Port of Seattle: "The Central Puget Sound Region is the airport's service market: Comprised of King, Pierce, Snohomish and Kitsa
57 Post contains images Stirling : You know, you're really p***ing off Ayubogg right now... I agree with what you're saying...the realistic catchment area of Seattle is not as large as
58 EVA777SEA : Thats nice and all, but I think they are referring to the Seattle Metropolitan area and are not as ambitious as the Port of Portland. Besides, to say
59 N174UA : PDX, too. SEA and PDX split it, and SEA was supposed to be THE gateway to the Pacific for UA, however eventually that become SFO. The Pacific route a
60 HPRamper : Other than a flight or two daily at most, on regional aircraft, most flights from those airports are actually to SEA or PDX with the exception of GEG
61 EVA777SEA : The dilution of the PDX market... Well SEA is in the same situation. We have BLI to the North, GEG, PUW, and EAT to the East, YKM and PSC to the Sout
62 Post contains images Jetboy319 : That's nice, I think a lot of things too That aside, the Central Puget Sound Region is the airport's service market. Weather or not you agree, that's
63 Post contains images Ayubogg : Thanks for looking out but no, I believe you made a solid point and I stand corrected. To answer your question: I live in Eugene, OR. The closest air
64 Post contains images Jetboy319 : Hey Ayubogg just for the record, don't ever feel you need to worry about hard feelings from my end. This is a great board and I enjoy posting every o
65 Stirling : No hard feelings on this end....just keeping it real. And this is the part of the airline industry I don't understand. It would seem from a very elem
66 Ayubogg : To answer your question, I would say that as a family, we would be willing to pay about $300 TOTAL to fly out of EUG. Of course, this changes when we
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