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AC-Ireland//Bye Bye Shannon  
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

As reflected on AC's website, and on the heels of AA's announcement to discontinue service to SNN, looks like AC is joining the fold.

August 9th will be the last "triangle" service operating YYZ-DUB-SNN-YYZ and replaced by:

AC894 YYZ2150 DUB0915
AC895 DUB1045 YYZ1245

767-200 (ALL Y)

As the service is only summer seasonal, surprising that they would change the routing midstream. Given the recent Ireland/Canada revised air agreement, perhaps this a sign of permanent year round DUB only service.


Above and Beyond
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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

The 1st 4 to 5 rows of the 767 have bigger seats than the rest of the Y cabin, is a different AC being used or will it stay the same . If you are booked in Y M B classes you can select seats in this PE section. I hope they are not axing that.

A year round DUB to YYZ with AC would be great. I guess they have to go where the revenue is so its a shame for SNN. I heard that those booked from SNN were offered a refund or to travel to DUB instead.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

They use the 767-200ER's with the 24/183 configuration but sold as 207Y. The forward cabin remains intact and those on the fare levels as mentioned above will have access to front cabin seating.


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5423 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 2):
The forward cabin remains intact and those on the fare levels as mentioned above will have access to front cabin seating.

Thats great , hoping to do a trip before the summers out and seated in the ''nice'' section  Smile


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

seems like this is the new trend for carriers flying into SNN. I have a feeling US might be next. They are already announced year round flts solely to DUB

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

It's sad to see SNN lose another customer, but it has to be borne in mind that it was never a "real" customer, in that it was only there because regulations forced it to be.

I do hope AC does operate a year round service, with a proper J class; 763s initally, later perhaps A330s and ultimately, 787s.


User currently offlineShannoninAMA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

Dang, SNN is really taking a hit lately. Hopefully someone will step up to fill all (well, at least some) of this service that is being dropped.





Shannon


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

I imagine GSM will also drop SNN soon


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

I hope the 767's stay we have enough A330's at DUB , its nice to have a mix of AC types. I think also that US Airways will be next and then DL may cut some services. SNN needs to be overhauled and try to attract different airlines to compensate. Some reduced landing charges and incentives could help.

User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5272 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 4):
I have a feeling US might be next.

US is terminating Shannon on 6th Oct rather than the October's end as it used to be. Maybe not a good sign.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5272 times:

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 6):
Dang, SNN is really taking a hit lately

Kind of sounds like a repeat of the Prestwick experience.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Thats great , hoping to do a trip before the summers out and seated in the ''nice'' section

In terms of leg space, the best seats on that aircraft are 12AC/12HK.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting ShannoninAMA (Reply 6):
Dang, SNN is really taking a hit lately. Hopefully someone will step up to fill all (well, at least some) of this service that is being dropped.

I think by July we'll know where pretty much all the T/A airlines regarding SNN. I think there may be one or two surprises.



John Hancock
User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 5234 times:
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There will be some election candidates in Clare that will not appreciate the timing of these announcements by AA & AC. AA anouncing they are going to pull ORD two days before the election & now AC the day before. I wonder will US top of what has been a rotten week for SNN by pulling PHL?


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5194 times:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1115590/M/

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 11):
In terms of leg space, the best seats on that aircraft are 12AC/12HK.

Im just wondering is this what the DUB to YYZ looks like in the front section rows 1-4?? Looks very nice.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5146 times:

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 13):
There will be some election candidates in Clare that will not appreciate the timing of these announcements by AA & AC

The commercial consideration of two foreign carriers should have little impact on local election issues. With the new open skies agreement between Canada and Ireland, Aer Lingus is more than welcome to offer SNN/YYZ service. I mean that with all sincerity.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5125 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Im just wondering is this what the DUB to YYZ looks like in the front section rows 1-4?? Looks very nice.

That picture (I can tell by the garment cupboard) was either fin 621 or 622 (ex Air New Zealand - ex China Airlines), and no longer in the fleet. Row 1 was very generous with leg space on this aircraft.

[Edited 2007-05-23 23:40:24]


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5117 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
Im just wondering is this what the DUB to YYZ looks like in the front section rows 1-4?? Looks very nice.

Yes, they use 762s normally used on domestic routes for the DUB route. That's the 762 domestic 2-2-2 J class layout.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5117 times:

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 13):
I wonder will US top of what has been a rotten week for SNN by pulling PHL?

Probably. And Delta's ATL-SNN route is likely as good as gone.



a.
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5100 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 16):
That picture (I can tell by the garment cupboard) was either fin 621 or 622 (ex Air New Zealand - ex China Airlines), and no longer in the fleet. Row 1 was very generous with leg space on this aircraft.

Oh ok thought it was too good to be true !!!! Do you know where I can get some pics of what the DUB 767 looks like in the front section???


User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5088 times:
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Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 15):
The commercial consideration of two foreign carriers should have little impact on local election issues. With the new open skies agreement between Canada and Ireland, Aer Lingus is more than welcome to offer SNN/YYZ service. I mean that with all sincerity.

With all due respect, you could not imagine how personally the people from the Mid-West of Ireland take the issue of OS & the stripping of SNN's T/A services. I know that the commercial consideration of two foreign carriers should not impact on local election issues & that there is nothing any of the cnadidates can do but the people of Clare will want to take it out on someone & the election candidates are the easiest targets. As for EI serving YYZ, the only EI services that will be offered from SNN will be to BOS & JFK, all be it at reduced frequencies than their current level. Still though, its better than nothing. I mean, the fact than any L/H destinations are offered from an airport the size on SNN means that it is doing better than many similar sized airports.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 20):
With all due respect, you could not imagine how personally the people from the Mid-West of Ireland take the issue of OS & the stripping of SNN's T/A services

I hear ya buddy!! I operated the last couple of YYZ-PIK flights, and remember the uproar at the loss of AC & NW service from that airport -- and in a city with an "alternative" airport being GLA.

I operated the YYZ-DUB-SNN-YYZ flights last year, and only picked up a very minimal number of customers at SNN. Hopefully Air Transat/Skyservice/Zoom will pick up the slack. The reduction of service will be a windfall for the airline/airlines that remain such as CO or US.

[Edited 2007-05-24 00:01:42]


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26993 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5028 times:

Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 20):
but the people of Clare will want to take it out on someone & the election candidates are the easiest targets

Hmm well we will see tomorrow!!! This election should have been declared null and void a few weeks ago when the present government eliminated thousands of students eligable to vote but gave them minimal time to get a postal vote sorted out in just a few days as they will be on campus where they should have had polling stations but thats another story!!! I dont think the SNN issue will impact on the elections tomorrow to be honest.


User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 5004 times:
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Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 21):
The reduction of service will be a windfall for the airline/airlines that remain such as CO or US.

It's funny that you mention that bcause just after I posted my last reply the idea came to me that the SAA should advertise the the onward connections offered by airlines such as CO & DL that are more likely to continue serving SNN. I know that I would prefer to fly to EWR, ATL of JFK with either CO or DL & make an onward connection from there than drive for three hours to fly from DUB, particurarly on the way home. I know how miserable it is getting off the plane in SNN after being on the overnight flight but I gain comfort in the fact that it is only a 20 minute drive home from there. At least connecting in the US eliminates that part of the journey.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 4964 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 16):
That picture (I can tell by the garment cupboard) was either fin 621 or 622 (ex Air New Zealand - ex China Airlines), and no longer in the fleet.

When was fin 621 retired? I knew fin 622 had been retired but AC website still shows fin 621 (C-FVNM) as one of 10 762s in service. Assume that info is out of date if fin 621 has also been retired.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/fin.html

The most recent A.net photo is dated January 2007. It was AC's oldest aircraft, delivered to China Airlines December, 1982, the 18th 767 built.


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25 FLYACYYZ : Good point!! 622 is definitely in storage at Marana, AZ. 621 hasn't flown anytime recently, and thought that I had heard it's last revenue flight as
26 FLYYUL : FIN 621 C-FNVM is currently in maintenance.. and will be in service for AC for a considerable stretch FIN 672 C-GPWB had its last flight last week. an
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