AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22882 times:
Ia Orana all !
You can also go to www.airfrance.fr or www.airfrance.com and download this year's results and you will see that AF-KL operating income is up by 32.5 % to 1.24 billion Euro, revenues are up 7.6% to 23.07 billion euros
UA777300ER From Belgium, joined Jun 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22730 times:
With the 45 777s currently in AF fleet, 11 more on order and the 18 ordered today, they will reach a fleet of 74 B777s. This will probably make them the third biggest T7 operator, behind EK (with 47 in the fleet and 42 on order with Boeing) and SQ (with 67 in the fleet and 10 more on order). Not bad...
PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6867 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22526 times:
Quoting UA777300ER (Reply 9): With the 45 777s currently in AF fleet, 11 more on order and the 18 ordered today, they will reach a fleet of 74 B777s. This will probably make them the third biggest T7 operator, behind EK (with 47 in the fleet and 42 on order with Boeing) and SQ (with 67 in the fleet and 10 more on order).
I'm with you on the AF and SQ numbers but I think you may have missed a couple of EK announcements. (Perhaps leases?) They have a total of 98 in service, on order or to be leased.
TYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22485 times:
I think we overstate the "mass controversy" such an order would have caused during the Paris Air Show. It wouldn't have. Has any one stopped to ask why Air France is so GE dedicated? Simple answer: the French engine manufacture Snecma has a significant stake in the GE90 (almost 25%) and 50% of the CFM-56 engines (that power their A32X fleet).
We will likely see in the future a more streamlined AF/KLM fleet with B777s and A330s as their widebody core fleet, with a relatively small but solid A380 component for heavy traffic routes, and a A32X for the narrowbodies. I don't see the B737s in KL's fleet in their for much longer (either sold off or transferred to Transavia).
Someone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22486 times:
Quoting PEET7G (Reply 13): But to be honest I don't think they payed too much for them, and on a second taught why 2. ? It sure smells like an "almost giveaway compensation for all the trouble we caused
Those 2 where 2 out of 4 options that was changed to firm orders, so I would be surprised for another top-up order of 2 more in the future
UA777300ER From Belgium, joined Jun 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22457 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 12): I'm with you on the AF and SQ numbers but I think you may have missed a couple of EK announcements. (Perhaps leases?) They have a total of 98 in service, on order or to be leased.
I was aware of that, that's why I mentioned 'on order with Boeing'. Thanks for giving the total number.
It is indeed impressive, especially when you consider that there are 42 (?) A380's coming, as well as an A350/B787 order (which some people claim will be for 100 airframes). I have to say that I have no idea what they're going to do with all that capacity. But hopefully, they do...
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 22168 times:
What makes me wonder is:
1) AF/KL record profits of EUR 1.25 bln
2) They call this profit "disappointing" and will launch a cost cutting plan of EUR 1.4 bln (Goodbye KLM brand in 2 years? It's beginning to look like it unfortunately IMHO)
3) AF places large EUR7bln order
4) KLM announces it will hold on to its Fokkers and MD11's for a while.
My point: While AF is shaping up to have a very young fleet, with the old a320's and 744's leaving the fleet, while KLM only has a few aircraft on order, but no immediate plans to replace their oldest aircraft (733, 734, 744). Why are these airlines being treated differently? Seeing as how the KLM board will comprise more and more of AF people, they have a large say in KLM matters. So my guess this is on purpose. What's going on here? Or am I reading too much into all this?
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21986 times:
Bad surprise in the morning. Sadly this makes it unlikely that the 748I will find its way to AF. Too bad, this order. Anyway, AF has never been an airline for me. Each time I took them in the past, there was a bad surprise.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21616 times:
At the beginning of this year, Air France had 16 passenger B744s in the fleet. Since then, 2 of these aircraft (F-GISA and F-GISB) have been retired from the passenger fleet, with a third one (F-GISC) following later this year. That leaves 13 B744 frames in the active passenger fleet, and they will be replaced by 13 B77Ws ordered today. The other 5 triple seven orders are for the freighther division.
Unlike the B77W in the current AF mainline fleet, which are equipped in a 3-class layout, these additional frames will see a 2-class configuration only as AF will use them to the current high density B744 destinations, including YUL, YYZ, JFK, ATL, MEX, CCS, GIG and DEL. This add on order for more B77Ws had long been expected and has been discussed here many times before.
Because, despite all the nonsense you get to read on a.net, Airbus will disclose details of a deal even a short time before an airshow if the customer so choses; the customer decides when the details are released - not Airbus.