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Here We Go Again! SAS Crew On Strike Tomorrow  
User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Oh well....

After a devastating strike carried out by Danish SAS personnel recently, the Swedish cabin crew has now decided to follow suit, and join forces in forcing the airline out of business.

This airline is looking more and more doomed.

IMO the company should be liquidated, everyone should be fired, and those willing to continue working there could do so on new terms.

This is the 74th (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) SAS-strike in ten years!!!!!

Kevin777


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User currently offlineN272WA From Ireland, joined Jun 2007, 410 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Do you know if SAS flights into and out of Kastrup will be affected this weekend as a follow on from strike action at ARN?


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4690 times:

will this affect my flight from CPH-OSL-EVE on the 14th of June, and back again on the 2nd of August?

Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
This is the 74th (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) SAS-strike in ten years!!!!!

thats extraordinary!

Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
IMO the company should be liquidated,

Don't agree to that, you can't liquidate SAS, that's our pride and glory (as Scandinavians)

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4754 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Pardon my ignorance... But why are they striking? My god it is amazing how different a country can be. Here in Singapore (SIA), a hint of industrial action caused such a BIG uproar and made the news headlines. And that happened twice in 1982 and 2004 only. And now we have SAS going on their 76th strike in 10 years? Do they want to keep their jobs and see the airline go under at the same time??


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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Let the airline die and LH pick up the Euro routes and AY the longhauls. SAS crew can apply to FR and move to charming Hahn if they wish. Those people have no place in any decent airline.

Absolutely ridiculous.



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4754 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
Don't agree to that, you can't liquidate SAS, that's our pride and glory (as Scandinavians)

The way to treat an entity that is supposedly of pride and glory, is not to strike like this. Is SAS that bad of an employer for this drastic measure to be taken? What do they want? Higher wages? Better hours?



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4000 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 3):
But why are they striking?

The girl on the radio this morning was talking about lunch breaks! They are expected to fly all day without having time to go to the restaurant for lunch.

SAS has announced that all domestic flights in Sweden are cancelled on Friday 25.


User currently offlineTreg From Estonia, joined Oct 2001, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
This is the 74th (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) SAS-strike in ten years!!!!!

SAS is "proud" to be on the second place in the Europe-wide aviation strike hotlist. The number one is Alitalia...


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

Quoting N272WA (Reply 1):
Do you know if SAS flights into and out of Kastrup will be affected this weekend as a follow on from strike action at ARN?

Danish / Norwegian flights shouldnøt be affected..... but let's see...

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
Don't agree to that, you can't liquidate SAS, that's our pride and glory (as Scandinavians)

Indeed it is, and that's why I hate to see this time and time again! Making an excellent point:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 5):
The way to treat an entity that is supposedly of pride and glory, is not to strike like this

When I say liquidate SAS I meant technically; just like for instance Sabena to SN Brussels back then. I'd hate to see LH take our European traffic and AY take our intercon!!!! GRRRRRR!!!!!  Smile

Quoting Treg (Reply 7):
SAS is "proud" to be on the second place in the Europe-wide aviation strike hotlist. The number one is Alitalia...

Maybe they could join forces? An all-striking airline with a fleet of DC-9's

Kevin777



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User currently offlineEric From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4593 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
Don't agree to that, you can't liquidate SAS, that's our pride and glory (as Scandinavians)

Who's pride and glory? As a scandinavian there is nothing to be proud about the airline. A former state-governed airline behaving as if they were still run by the state. There is an attitude within the company that knows no boundaries - an airline is all about service to differentiate themselves. Yes, they do differentiate themselves when it comes to service - SAS the airline that strikes when it suits the employees. Maybe the airline could get a new short name. Strike, Always Strike.

The airline needs to be liquidated and rebuilt. Unless they now offer the most convenient time/price I would rather connect at LHR and AMS for European s/h than use SAS.

As the CEO says, something is very wrong about personnel that chose to ground an airline. The expected daily costs, SEK30m (not including goodwill, but then again, how much more goodwill can they possibly lose I do not know), should help the company break eve this year.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4581 times:
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I hope SK pulls through. I've flown DY once OSL-ALF and unless they are WAY cheaper, I'll stick to SK.

Although I wish they would lover their prices to and from the US



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4539 times:
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Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
This is the 74th (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) SAS-strike in ten years!!!!!

Just read a statement by Mats Jansson. There have been 100 strikes in the last ten years, 73 of those have been illegal strikes in CPH.



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User currently offlineSAS330GOT From Sweden, joined May 2004, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 4):
Let the airline die and LH pick up the Euro routes and AY the longhauls. SAS crew can apply to FR and move to charming Hahn if they wish. Those people have no place in any decent airline.

I agree partly, I wouldn't sell the longhauls to AY.. Wouldn't want the Icelandics to take it all over (AFAIK they still own 40% of AY), they have tried taking over SAS before but Swedish government didn't want to sell and NO and DK followed the SK line. I'd say that LH would be the better caretaker of the SAS "legacy" since beeing the big brother in Star Alliance   and let smaller companies like Malmö Aviation and City Airline take the regional routes, they have a much better trackrecord when it comes to cost effectiveness and market awareness and would probably do much better.

Quoting Kevin777 (Reply 8):
IMO the company should be liquidated, everyone should be fired, and those willing to continue working there could do so on new terms.

I agree that it would make most sense at this moment. But it would take too much time to do and who would like to build a new company with mainly MD-80:s in their fleet (SK sweden has most of the MD:s flown by SAS). IMHO it's better to just start from scratch with newer RJ:s and closely connected to LH Regional. This would negate the need for their own MX base at ARN and instead be maintained by LH and with a fleet consiting of CRJ-1000 and/or E170 they could have higher frequencies and therefor better service. And the charter organization could just be shut down. Economically I think this would be better suiting the Swedish market.

regds

Edit, double quotes, & City Airline not Cityjet

[Edited 2007-05-24 16:00:02]

[Edited 2007-05-24 16:01:34]

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
IMO the company should be liquidated, everyone should be fired, and those willing to continue working there could do so on new terms.

So everytime the managmnet changes something they fire all people in order to get it through? I expeect this from other countires but not from Sweden and Danmark.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 4):
Let the airline die and LH pick up the Euro routes and AY the longhauls. SAS crew can apply to FR and move to charming Hahn if they wish. Those people have no place in any decent airline.



To be honest, they will not let it die. Before selling everything to LH and AY I am pretty sure that somebody else will step up in these countries and buy it. Maybe Norway?

Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 12):
I'd say that LH would be the better caretaker of the SAS "legacy" since beeing the big brother in Star Alliance

I believe that the EU would not allow it and honestly I do not belive that LH has the money to buy SK.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

I forgot to mention I am against this strike!  Smile

A illegal strike is never worth it I just question the ideas of some fellow Nordic men Big grin


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting SAS330GOT (Reply 12):

I agree partly, I wouldn't sell the longhauls to AY.. Wouldn't want the Icelandics to take it all over (AFAIK they still own 40% of AY)


Wow, they don't own 40% of Finnair, it's closer to 20%... foreigners own totally some 30% of the shares, Finnish state has 56% and even the current Center-Right government wants to keep the majority.

[Edited 2007-05-24 17:36:14]

User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
Don't agree to that, you can't liquidate SAS, that's our pride and glory (as Scandinavians)

Well, I'm certainly not proud of SAS, and there is certainly not much glory about the company.at the time being. Neither do I have the need to be proud of a company of nationalistic reasons. I kinda of agree with Kevin that the solution is what the cabin crew really deserves. On the other hand, seen from a rational economic point of view, I'm not sure if it would help anything.

I tend to agree with some of the former posts, that something could be gained with a split between LH and AY. However, just as many reasons oppose this. The cabin crew would most likely be the same on a large proportion of the routes, and SAS is already pretty generous, so the conditions for the employees would not improve. I don't believe in many base changes, as the current routes must be the most viable market wise. Of course German and Finnish routes could see a base change, and some routes would be withdrawn for stratetic purposes (less longhaul, hence less feeding).

I would hate to see this, as SAS is a pretty valuable asset - after all - to us living in the Öresund region and CPH. Although I never fly SK personally due to their pricing policy, it is certainly an economic catalysator in the region together with the airport. With a LH takeover, I would certainly expect a decrease in the number of passengers out of CPH.

So, what to do? Well, the management have effectuated a pretty clear strategy over the last five years, and it has been rather succesfull. Unfortunately the employees still complain over lunch breaks that are longer than typical lunch breaks in Denmark, and they are complaining over long working hours, even though their union contract implies less working hours than the average. Nobody force these people to work in the industry. With the current job situation in the region, it shouldn't be hard for them to find another job, but apparently they - after all - weigh their job at SAS better than the alternative, which makes the strikes seem rather childish to me.

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 13):

So everytime the managmnet changes something they fire all people in order to get it through? I expeect this from other countires but not from Sweden and Danmark.

It can be necessary to fire people who does not or will not comply with company policy. The Scandinavian way is to sort things out and make compromises, but viability comes first. The extreme approach here is not made by the management to threat with firings, but from the employees destroying the company by illegal strikes. After all, a firing with the current labor market situation with virtually no unemployment, isn't really a big disaster for an employee unsatisfied with his/her employer.



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Quoting N272WA (Reply 1):
Do you know if SAS flights into and out of Kastrup will be affected this weekend as a follow on from strike action at ARN?

No, except 50% of the flights CPH-ARN

Quoting N272WA (Reply 1):
will this affect my flight from CPH-OSL-EVE on the 14th of June, and back again on the 2nd of August?

First off all will the strike be over by then (A typical SAS strike is 1, 2 or 3 days) and it would anyway not be affected as it is ONLY SAS Sweden that will be affected. SAS Denmark, SAS Norway and SAS International (IC), will operate as normal!


User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
SAS, that's our pride and glory (as Scandinavians)

I think it's quite embarrasing to be honnest.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

Quoting CPH757 (Reply 16):
After all, a firing with the current labor market situation with virtually no unemployment, isn't really a big disaster for an employee unsatisfied with his/her employer.

Does this apply for Sweden only or for Danmark too? Sorry I am not familiar with the unemployment situation currently.  Smile


User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

For Sweden the unemployment rate of April was between 4.5% (www.scb.se). For Denmark it was 3.9% for March (www.dst.dk). Usually you characterize a labour market with unemployment rates less than 5% as having "full employment", as the bottom 5% points are regarded as natural unemployment or structural unemployment, which (very simplified) is people who are in the proces of changing jobs.


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User currently offlineSAS330GOT From Sweden, joined May 2004, 252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 13):
I believe that the EU would not allow it and honestly I do not belive that LH has the money to buy SK

Well.. Continuing like this there will be little to sell anyway and even less to pay for.. I sincerely think that LH does have the money though. I know for a fact that the Islandics offered about 7 billion SEK (about 1 billion dollars) for SAS Sweden (or atleast part of it) and got turned down and therefor turned to Finnair instead. And with the way SAS have been doing lately it might even be a pretty good deal, if you can get rid of the rotten stuff within the company.. The brand itself is little worth today. With the two biggest customers (Ericsson & Electrolux) threatens to stop flying SAS (probably will).. IIRC the Ericsson contract is worth about 75 million SEK per year (about 9 million dollars) and the Electrolux about half that. That will be a huge loss for SAS and if those companies do that many more will follow suit. But with a slight makeover the trust in the company and the brand can be regained. And changing to a different owner can IMO be healthy in this situation. Even though I do agree that it will be hard on swedes, me included, to have their jewel taken over bu "zie germans" but it will probably sink in anyway. But that's just me..

But right now it really does look bleek.. At least from where I'm sitting


User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
you can't liquidate SAS, that's our pride and glory (as Scandinavians

Once maybe, not anymore......  ashamed 

I like that we in Scandinavia have our own airline, but nowadays its just plain ridiculous.

These striking kids screaming and yelling about extra lunch brakes and travel time to their jobs, while their company is fighting for its very existence, it just makes no sense!

In the old days it was an honour to work at SK, nowadays i would probably not hire an ex SK employee, simply because having worked at the "SK bubble" means that you have not worked in the real world.



 worried 



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

So Icelanders were after SAS Sweden, interesting, I didn't know that.

But isn't far too early to talk about slaughtering SAS, I thought they were coming back on tracks already.


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 13):
Quoting Kevin777 (Thread starter):
IMO the company should be liquidated, everyone should be fired, and those willing to continue working there could do so on new terms.

So everytime the managmnet changes something they fire all people in order to get it through? I expeect this from other countires but not from Sweden and Danmark.

Well, no, but if the alternative is, that everytime the management changes something, everyone goes on strike, then yes indeed.

Quoting Andaman (Reply 23):
So Icelanders were after SAS Sweden, interesting, I didn't know that.

Me neither. My God they must have more Russian mafia-money up there than I thought..  duck  And why these Scandinavian airlines?? Sterling has been an economic disaster for them (which they will never admit), and SAS doesn't look like a much better investment... Oh yes, FlyMe, let's not forget..

Quoting Andaman (Reply 23):
But isn't far too early to talk about slaughtering SAS, I thought they were coming back on tracks already.

They were indeed, and that's what's so bloody annoying!!!! Everytime things just turn a tiny bit better for the airline, the crew goes on strike demanding wages as if we were living in the 1960's aviation industry.

Kevin777



"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9
25 Someone83 : Well, it has been said that say will be gone within 2-3 years for the last 20 years and still nothing has happened. And overall, despite the strike, t
26 Post contains images Basefly : They were coming back, but their profit are vaporising because of strikes, the CEO of SK said yesterday that SK needs 3 billion in the bank to renew
27 Viscount724 : Sounds much like BA in the 1970s and 80s (and earlier) when they were government-owned. Although during that period strikes were common in most UK in
28 CXfirst : Agree, however it is the scandinavian airline. We can't just liquidate it like that... -CXfirst
29 OHLHD : Yes you are correct. If they strike everytime it is not even worth running this business. Is SK Sweden for sale or are we talking about the total SAS
30 Someone83 : Neither of the are for sale, but there was suggestion from the swedish government that they consider selling their 21% share of the SAS Group, but it
31 Post contains images OHLHD : Could Danmark and Norway buy the Swedish stakes? Or would they go on strike again?
32 Someone83 : Yes, but the Swedes won't sell to them and neither of the countries would sell their shares if not all of them do it, which I can't see happening for
33 Post contains images Basefly : Actually the Danish government said that they would sell if the swedes would. The Norwegians however said that they would not sell, in fact they woul
34 OHLHD : So the danger is that they could go really down because neither of them is willing to sell their shares in order to become a solid company. Could they
35 Basefly : It already is actually it split in 4 i believe, SKDK. SKSE, SKNO and SKINT, and on top of that a bunch of small ground based companies ie Ground hand
36 B747forever : SAS Sweden will strike on Saturday too. This is not good for SAS. Imagine how much money they will lose and they are loosing more and more passengers
37 OHLHD : Can one of these groups declare independency from the others because they are fed up with all those strikes?
38 Post contains images TristarSteve : ARN is covered in abandoned SAS aircraft today. Here is a view of the deicing pan M at 1330.
39 B747forever : Wonder how many SAS aircraft is grounded at ARN. Count 6aircraft on the picture
40 Kevin777 : My God that's such a sad sight. You might as well just burn 100-Euro notes. Kevin777 Wishing all a happy weekend
41 YOWza : Wow that's crazy, I thought AZ would take that cake for sure. It's a sad day for the Nordic skies. With all of the mess that this has created I wonde
42 Someone83 : No! All the different groups (legal entities) are owned by the SAS Group
43 SAS330GOT : Wich is in turn owned by the three governments split IIRC SE ca.21% DK & NO ca.14% each. Guess why nothing is working. The three companies doesn't ev
44 Os747 : Well all my confidence in ,SK that remained (very little) is now gone. I have made two long hauls with them in the past and that was two to many. I fl
45 Andaman : Some Blue1 boss was interviewed on Finnish tv and he warned that the situation in Sweden looks complicated - so there is a possibility the strike will
46 Basefly : As stated above unfortunately not, however it would make any potential sale of the individual parts much easier for the SAS group, and in my humble o
47 Sukhoi : Yes it´s very complicated and the parts seems very far from reaching some kind of deal. The strike is not about money and it´s a legal strike. We d
48 Post contains images OHLHD : Honestly I would tell them that " I do not give a f*** about them. Get back to work! "
49 Viscount724 : In the past SK was a rare example of a relatively successful multi-national airline. Others like Air Afrique, East African Airways (Kenya, Tanzania, U
50 Andaman : Well, though this strike, and the whole SK strike history, is extremly harmful to SK, this one still is a legal strike. And as Sukhoi mentioned strik
51 CPH757 : That's indeed how it works. SK is split up into three national companies and a fourth one controlling the longhauls. The employees in the different c
52 Post contains images Kevin777 : Indeed it was - making this even more sad when they can't figure out how to run the business properly. Had we not had the "unification" of three nati
53 Sukhoi : Tomorow Sunday will be the third day on Strike. Passengers travelling domestic on SAS go by train buses or fly if possible with other carriers SAS Swe
54 Post contains images Kevin777 : Oh bloody hell... get back to work you people. It's gonna be quite a b*tch if they strike untill Tuesday; at least the weekend and holidays "only" pi
55 Post contains links ANCFlyer : 2nd Day For SAS Cabincrew Strike And Soon The... (by B747forever May 26 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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