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Air China - Likely To Start Service To DEN  
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm.../0,2777,DRMN_23912_5552280,00.html

Apparently, Air China is the most likely carrier to start the service. This open skies agreement has certainly changed the playing field...


"Airport officials said Air China is the best candidate to add nonstop flights from Denver because the carrier is set to become a member of the Star Alliance group of airlines. Alliance partners share frequent-flier benefits and can offer passengers connections on one another's flights. That will allow Air China to offer connecting flights in the U.S. on United Airlines, which has its second-largest hub in Denver. United also has expressed strong interest in starting a flight from Denver to Japan and might consider China as well."

-RMN

*Edited for quote insert...

[Edited 2007-05-24 16:42:18]


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

Air China in Denver? I would be shocked if this happens...

User currently offlineClrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6078 times:

What years did Korean operate to DEN and was it daily with the 744? Has any other Asian carriers (JAL) operated there??

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

Quoting Clrd4t8koff (Reply 2):
What years did Korean operate to DEN and was it daily with the 744? Has any other Asian carriers (JAL) operated there??

The service was actually a direct flight to/from LAX. with a combi-744.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6001 times:

Makes sense, consider Denver is a Star hub.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

I would think Air China would utilize a 772 on this route, if started. Don' they have some on order still?


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 3):

Also, at the end it was a 777 via San Francisco

ASSFO



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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 996 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

Great news for Air China and DIA. This is not what I expected though.


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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1534 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

Yeah, and JAL is the best candidate to start nonstop service from NRT to SLC, but just like China-DEN, it ain't gonna happen (under current and foreseeable market conditions).

At best, this article is highly speculative.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

I know for a fact that Denver officials just made a trip over to Japan and China to meet with airlines, but what the RMN story fails to point out is that the Chinese carriers currently are not utilizing all of their available frequencies. Therefore, the new deal doesn't necessarily mean that Air China flights to Denver are more likely as a result. However, it does put more pressure on the Chinese carriers to play catch up with service to the U.S., so it may move things along. I have to believe that China flights to Denver are still at least a couple of years away.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
Yeah, and JAL is the best candidate to start nonstop service from NRT to SLC, but just like China-DEN, it ain't gonna happen (under current and foreseeable market conditions).

At best, this article is highly speculative.

It has been for years...taken with a grain of salt. I would tend to think with all the latest factors in the industry, this is a viable route...even the NRT- DEN route as well. Also, I think ANA or UAL are the likely candidates to start the NRT-DEN service.

And, in time, I most certainly think it is gonna happen.



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

I wonder the chances of Air China starting new service to North America since all of their US/Canada route are not making money, and the year of 2007 sees them laying out a goal trying to reverse the situation.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):

At best, this article is highly speculative.

Indeed... this one's up there with that article about BNA gunning for a nonstop to NRT  Wink


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Air China in Denver?

This seems a little speculative. There has been talk of NH in Denver for years, as has there been talk of UAL operating Denver to Narita. Take it with a grain of salt. Odds of Air China flying to Denver are slim to none. Odds of Air China making Denver-China long term, nonstop are even slimer.

Quoting DIA (Reply 3):
The service was actually a direct flight to/from LAX. with a combi-744.



Quoting AS739X (Reply 6):
Also, at the end it was a 777 via San Francisco

The Denver to Seoul service started with a 747-400 Seoul-San Francisco-Denver, and then a 777 Seoul-San Francisco-Denver. In addition the Seoul-Los Angeles-Dallas started with a 747-400, and then a 777. Now Korean has dropped Denver, and only retains Dallas. Dallas, now being served nonstop with the 777-200, and on rare events 747-400. Perhaps I am wrong on all of the above. Does anyone have a link to a definitive answer to the above?

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 8):
Yeah, and JAL is the best candidate to start nonstop service from NRT to SLC, but just like China-DEN, it ain't gonna happen (under current and foreseeable market conditions).

JAL from NRT to SLC? I am likely to think that is not going to happen in this lifetime. With JAL in OneWorld, arent there heavy discussions that JAL is more likely to serve MIA, and BOS? In addition isnt NH the one that is rumored to service DEN from NRT due to Star Alliace? Also werent JAL and NH both looking at SEA when the 787 comes online?


-JD


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

DEN seems like a long way off since Air China only this year was able to operate a fat route like SFO-PEK daily They still do not operate LAX-PEK daily and they are the only one with a non-stop.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 12):
Indeed... this one's up there with that article about BNA gunning for a nonstop to NRT

Well it wouldnt be quite that bad, DEN is a Star Alliance hub. The only problem is that there is minimal-nil local traffic from DEN. Chinese airlines tend to go where there is local traffic. This is why you see alot of Chinese carriers at LAX. Thats the largest market in the US for O&D to China. I would think it more likely for UA to fly DEN-PEK. But first UA needs to fly DEN-NRT.



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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 13):
The Denver to Seoul service started with a 747-400 Seoul-San Francisco-Denver, and then a 777 Seoul-San Francisco-Denver.

DEN was always operated with a 744 Combi. The route started Seoul-San Francisco-Denver and later moved to Seoul-Los Angeles-Denver. The route didn't do so well because it wasn't nonstop and didn't provide much of an advantage over UA. Denver and Boston were started at the same time by KE, but both were dropped.


I highly doubt that Air China will start service to Denver any time soon. If anything, ANA will start DEN-NRT in the next couple of years. UA does not have interest in DEN-NRT according to a friend of mine in network planning.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

A stop en route would be required right? At least until Air China can send 788s to DEN, no?


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 16):
UA does not have interest in DEN-NRT according to a friend of mine in network planning.

While the CEO sees a possibility in the future.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 5):
I would think Air China would utilize a 772 on this route, if started. Don' they have some on order still?

They could but it would not be non-stop cause they have 772A's which do not have the range for a non-stop PEK-DEN flight..

They used the 772A on PEK-MUC-PEK and going west was pretty bad some times.. the flight is now on a 762ER

Leo



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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1534 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 10):
It has been for years...taken with a grain of salt. I would tend to think with all the latest factors in the industry, this is a viable route...even the NRT- DEN route as well. Also, I think ANA or UAL are the likely candidates to start the NRT-DEN service.

I agree with you. DEN-NRT is viable at some point in the next few years, China however, is not.



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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 18):
While the CEO sees a possibility in the future.

My friend at UA network planning said that Tilton presented the DEN-NRT option during is speech in DC as a way to build social capital in Denver. He said that they have run dozens of NPV analysis on DEN-NRT and feel that aircraft can be utilized better on other routes (primarly due to the cannibalization factor that DEN-NRT would have on SFO-NRT). While DEN-NRT would be a profitable route, UA would not want to fly it at the cost of affecting existing routes.


User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Again, this is from DEN official speculating...some UA flights would be codeshared with Air China for sure but PEK-DEN nonstop? CA can not even make money on the lucrative LAX/SFO/JFK markets and it'd anticipate UA feed at DEN to PEK? They'd be better off doing PEK-ORD or go double daily on PEK-LAX.

User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 14):
DEN seems like a long way off since Air China only this year was able to operate a fat route like SFO-PEK daily They still do not operate LAX-PEK daily and they are the only one with a non-stop.

They do daily non-stop now on PEK-LAX/SFO/JFK.


User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 21):
(primarly due to the cannibalization factor that DEN-NRT would have on SFO-NRT).

How would it cannibalize? SFO-NRT is a very robust O/D market as is SFO-KIX, SFO-NGO. One would think that SEA-NRT would be the route in danger of cannibalization if DEN-NRT ever comes into play.


-JD


25 DIA77 : While SFO is a huge O/D market in its own right, there are more than enough daily flights to support it. UA uses SFO as its primary trans-pacific hub
26 FLYGUY767 : That is a very well put assertion. We can almost assume without contest that NH will open DEN-NRT or KIX with a 787 as soon as they come online. -JD
27 Lexy : That was actually Nissan Executives looking for a flight not KBNA or MNAA officals. Let's get the facts straight here people.[Edited 2007-05-25 02:48
28 Stirling : This article was filled with a quite a few "Coulds", Woulds", "Shoulds", "Possibilities"; very passive, non-committal language. A business editor for
29 Post contains images LHboyatDTW : Air China can come to DEN....... as long as they know how to get to the gate (I just had to throw that in ) Though NRT has a better chance. Same thing
30 WorldTraveler : because UA controls traffic to Japan from the western US... there is no incentive for them to take a risk on a route when it won't bring them anythin
31 FreequentFlier : Actually, it doesn't. Would you fly DEN-DXB just because "Denver is a Star hub"? No, the route has to make sense from an NPV standpoint. Certainly be
32 Kbdude : on a slightly related topic... When is Air China's formal entry into Star? I know Shanghai Airlines entry date is on DEC 2007. How about TK entry date
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