No. They rarely even operate the A343 on FRA-HAM shuttle flights, if they don't fly to LHT for MX. Maybe they needed to upgrade the flight on that day due to special circumstances (increased cargo demand, more than usual PAX that need to be picked up for whatever reason, etc.).
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2874 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2526 times:
it is the first flight of the day and in Germany we have a "longer" weekend upcoming with a lot of people want to spend 3-4 days in Southern Europe. The flights yesterday as well as all flights today to MAD are overbooked with at least 15 on each flight.
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1596 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2281 times:
The 346 and 343 operate sometimes on FRA-MUC as they need to be positioned either on FRA or on MUC.
LH then prefers to make it an operational flight iso a ferry flight.
Must have been a good experience to be board on such a short route
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Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2874 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
Quoting DALCE (Reply 6): Currently scheduled is D-AIGC, equiped in a 2-class configuration.
nice! D-AIGC is in Star Alliance livery
Quoting DALCE (Reply 11): Must have been a good experience to be board on such a short route Big grin
I have been on such a flight (A343) with only 34 pax onboard it was a positioning flight and even the crew onboard the FRA-MUC sector did the onward flight from MUC to DEL. Might be a very loooooooong day for them.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2043 times:
The likely answer is that the A300 that usually flies the FRA-MAD-FRA turn is unavailable due to maintainance or scheduling reasons, and/or the A300 is being utilized on another segment to upgrade capacity over this Holiday Weekend for much of Europe. Thus, LH is using an A343 (which would have probably sat idle at FRA inbetween two longrange overnight flights) for the MAD turn.
Its fun when things like this happen....a change from the airplanes usually flown within EU, the biz class passengers will certainly be happy with the equipment swap, they will get ""real business"" class on an intra-EUropean flight.
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2874 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13): Thus, LH is using an A343 (which would have probably sat idle at FRA inbetween two longrange overnight flights) for the MAD turn.
D-AIGC is doing a FRA-ATL turn-around right now and will arrive tomorrow morning at 7h20 and continue 2 hours later to MAD.
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1596 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 13): The likely answer is that the A300 that usually flies the FRA-MAD-FRA turn is unavailable due to maintenance or scheduling reasons, and/or the A300 is being utilized on another segment to upgrade capacity over this Holiday Weekend for much of Europe
Partly yes, the current problem is that LH has a lack of long haul aircraft. Therefore LH re-fitted two A300's with the old C-class seats from the 747and started to operate with those two on int. cont flights again.
During the last year LH expanded quicker than aircraft got delivered from in this case Airbus ( 333's and 346's ).
Last autumn 2 more A 300's were re-fitted and are now operating on intercontinental flights.
So out of the 12 or 13 A 300's 4 are now operating less on the continental services, although you still see them to LHR, TXL and MUC. So when 1 or 2 are in Maintenance they have a problem and will have to call a 333 or 343 out of bed to operate between their long-haul stretches.
Still it sounds silly, LH operating 343's within Europe due to the lack of long-haul aircraft, but it is logical.
Brgds,
DALCE
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Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2874 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
Quoting DALCE (Reply 16): Partly yes, the current problem is that LH has a lack of long haul aircraft. Therefore LH re-fitted two A300's with the old C-class seats from the 747and started to operate with those two on int. cont flights again.
yes, LH need all these aircrafts for their current network or better said for their USA network, because almost all A333 are mostly shifted to the North American routes therefore the A300's must fly the shorter routes like ALA, TSE, CAI.
I did a daytrip return flight to CAI last week onboard of D-AIAN which is one of the intercont-A300's with the above mentioned Business class. It is more comfortable compared to the old C/Cl for sure, but looks very old as it is. There is a huge difference between the new and the old Business class and an issue LH must think about very soon. If you want to satisfy your most paying customers you need a consistent product here. Your can't offer one of the best Business classes from LAX to FRA and then one of the worst from FRA to CAI for example. This is very irritating for the customer. But this discussions are very old, so....
By the way, I thought more A306's were fitted to the intercont. version. Which are the one's already having the 'new-old-business-class'?
Just for your information: LH uses the abbreviation ABA for the intercont-A300 and AB6 for the other ones.
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1596 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1737 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17): Your can't offer one of the best Business classes from LAX to FRA and then one of the worst from FRA to CAI for example. This is very irritating for the customer. But this discussions are very old, so....
You are right, and it's mainly due to the A380 delays that LH sort of gave second or third birth to the AB6.
They are true workhorses for LH. At least they got the C-class upgraded a bit, as the C-class installed was inferior for long haul flights.
Luckily we see them being used slowly but steadily more on the Europe flights as 333's and 346's are still joining the fleet at the moment.
I hope the AB6's and ABA's will stay for a while as I really enjoyed flying on them 3 times FRA-OPO / OPO-FRA and TXL-FRA and I really want to spend some more hours on them.
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Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4068 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Quoting DALCE (Reply 18): hope the AB6's and ABA's will stay for a while as I really enjoyed flying on them 3 times FRA-OPO / OPO-FRA and TXL-FRA and I really want to spend some more hours on them.
Yes, let's hope they do, as I also want to try one out some day on LH
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1596 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1569 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 17): By the way, I thought more A306's were fitted to the intercont. version. Which are the one's already having the 'new-old-business-class'?
D-AIAN del. 05-06 / '87
D-AIAP del 25-06 / '87
D-AIAR del 02-02 / '90
D-AIAS del 06-03 / '90
are the re-fitted AB6's and are displayed as ABA in the LH-systems.
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