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Aer Lingus Update Long Haul Product - New Seats!  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13999 times:

Aer Lingus yesterday unveiled details of new Business seats and IFE upgrade which will be installed on all new wide body aircraft. The first of these A330s is about to be delivered. This represents a major upgrade of the airlines inflight product. All existing A330s will also been upgraded, although will not feature the new business seats for some reason. There will also be PTVs in economy.

New Business class seat:
http://www.recaro-as.com/ras/product...range/full-flat/cl-6510/index.html

[Edited 2007-05-25 13:42:25]

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13926 times:

Wíll the IFE upgrade include economy????


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13912 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
Wíll the IFE upgrade include economy????

Yep, new economy seats with PTVs.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13864 times:

Those biz seats look like the new AA seats - are they the same? I hope not anyway after the slating AA have taken for those seats. Seems strange that they would upgrade the existing A330s with new economy seats but not install the new business seat. Are you sure about this? I'd have thought it would be the other way around if anything.


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User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13849 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 3):
Seems strange that they would upgrade the existing A330s with new economy seats but not install the new business seat. Are you sure about this? I'd have thought it would be the other way around if anything.

The current fleet just got new covers in economy, and the Premier seats were upgraded to the seats that were used on the current A332s, but not the new seat that will be on the new A330s.
I expect orders for new A330s to replace the current fleet to come about in the next two months, with deliveries in the next 6-12 months.



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13813 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 3):
Those biz seats look like the new AA seats - are they the same?

No the new Premier seat looks like this but blue,

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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13798 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 5):
No the new Premier seat looks like this but blue,

Are the Economy seats blue also? I guess that will match the new(ish) A320 interiors but thay should have ordered teh new seats in green, like the updated seats on the existing A330 fleet.

[Edited 2007-05-25 14:51:14]

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13792 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 4):
I expect orders for new A330s to replace the current fleet to come about in the next two months, with deliveries in the next 6-12 months.

I hope so, otherwise there will be inconsistancys among the A330 fleet.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13777 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 6):
Are the Economy seats blue also? I guess that will match the new(ish) A320 interiors.

I'm not sure, I hope they are green/blue I like the green and blue is used way to much in other airlines.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13684 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 5):
No the new Premier seat looks like this but blue,

Well they sure look similar in the 2 photos you are using to say they are different  Wink

AA seats are manufacturered by Recaro also. There may be some differences but I'm sure they are adapted from the same basic model.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13670 times:

Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 9):
There may be some differences but I'm sure they are adapted from the same basic model.

Thats what i'm thinking. Literally the same thing but in different colors for EI.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

The first photo of the Eurofly seat is the exact same model as the one EI will get but there will be modifications EI wanted. The second photo although similar in shell design the seat and cushion design is different. There will be some changes to overall seat. We should find out soon anyway, the new aircraft is due in DUB this evening!

Here are some key facts:

There will 57" seat pitch compared to the current 52"

Armrest integrates into seat for extra 2" width

Angled lie flat seat

On demand IFE

10.6 inch screen


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13441 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
All existing A330s will also been upgraded, although will not feature the new business seats



Quoting EISHN (Reply 4):
The current fleet just got new covers in economy, and the Premier seats were upgraded to the seats that were used on the current A332s, but not the new seat that will be on the new A330s.

The downside is that EI will still have a inconsistent product for a few more years and it will be like the lottery as to whether you get PTV in Y or not. The only way to tell will be from the seating plans which I will have next week. The new seats are a major improvement as I originally posted on the Irish aviation thread after my meeting with EI management the other day.

For those that didnt see here are the new seats ::

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/dellas1000/EIUPDATE037.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/dellas1000/EIUPDATE2038.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/dellas1000/EIUPDATE3039.jpg


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13429 times:

Thanks for all the pix...

The EI Y seats are already very good, I hope the new ones are better comfort wise (on the bum I mean!) ... LAX-DUB was a pleasure on EI.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24824 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13399 times:

Many passengers, myself included, do not like those slanted lie-flat seats. The slant makes you feel like you are sliding onto the floor. Fully flat seats, meaning horizontal, are now offered or are being installed by quite a few carriers (BA,VS, AC to name 3) and offer a much better product that the angled seats.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13381 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Many passengers, myself included, do not like those slanted lie-flat seats. The slant makes you feel like you are sliding onto the floor.

They're okay - better than a Y seat!!  Smile

Still, EI are moving into the 21st century... ie, they're installing a product some airlines have had for 7 years... just a few steps behind.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 13373 times:

Aer Lingus is a low fare airline and Dermot Mannion, EI CEO has said he didn't want full flat seats as it uses too much potential revenue space in the cabin. The angled seat although not the most popular will be a huge improvement and frequent EI Premier passenger will be very pleased, it's also not just about the seat, the new Panasonic IFE system will also be a huge improvement in both classes.

The Y seats look very wide, I'm sure they will be comfortable and the new cabin lighting (mood) and IFE will be great.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 13327 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 16):
the new Panasonic IFE system will also be a huge improvement in both classes.

Isn't the Pansonic AVOD system the same one that QF has had such trouble with?



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 13310 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 17):
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 16):
the new Panasonic IFE system will also be a huge improvement in both classes.

Isn't the Pansonic AVOD system the same one that QF has had such trouble with?

Not sure, all I know is that EI is the first customer for this IFE from Panasonic.


User currently offlineGrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 449 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 13280 times:

I'm off to DXB in October and I'm just wondering will I be sitting on one of those new seats in economy?

User currently offlineShamrocka330 From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 13280 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 17):
Isn't the Pansonic AVOD system the same one that QF has had such trouble with?



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Many passengers, myself included, do not like those slanted lie-flat seats. The slant makes you feel like you are sliding onto the floor.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
The downside is that EI will still have a inconsistent product for a few more years and it will be like the lottery as to whether you get PTV in Y or not

This new launch by EI may not be perfect and may not suit everybody but I think its fantastic for EI and really shows that they are serious about improving their product and service to their customers and this is helped by the recent introduction of new routes. Don't forget that EI were in serious trouble not so long ago and had lost the support of their customers and staff due to poor management. I think the development of EI this year and the foundations they have laid for future growth needs to be recognised when you consider the previous turbulent years.

With more new routes, new aircraft, a large aircraft order due soon, a greatly improved product and service, a new base in the UK to be announced and a new opportunity in the US after the change in Open Skies the future is looking very bright for EI. But changes don't happen overnight. The management are aware of the bad decisions that were made in the past and want to ensure that from now on any decisions that are made are executed correctly. EI can't change the seats overnight but over the next couple of months we will know what the strategy is for the new fleet, any interim order and any aircraft retirements - and I'm sure that in 5 years we will have an airline that will be up there with the best.



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User currently offlineEI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13194 times:

I was looking through an old brochure I had from the initial delivery of EI's A330s back in 1994. It looks as though Premier effectively hasnt changed since then (an upholstry change doesnt really count!). 13 years is a seriously long time without developing a product and it looks as though the old seats will soldier on for even longer. I know many premium passengers snub EI due to the marginal service offered in Premier since 2001 (albeit at relatively lower prices). I just hope that a large scale advertising campaign is not launched trying to plug this new seat when there is still a majority of aircraft with the old layout. Given that now 3 aircraft will have PTV's in C/Y whilst 2 have the new C layout - its furthering the inconsistency that disappoints me about EI.


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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13161 times:
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This new product looks great, but yet again we are at the beginning of the never changing circle of EI's long haul product. These new beds and IFE services are fantastic, but, we are right back at the beginning a year ago when EI-DAA was the only craft to have the PTV and better C class seating. Yet again, the customer will not know whether he/she will be paying for this product, or the ten year old product. This is unless EI intend to say *this service is only available to Los Angeles, San Francisco and Dubai* or something along those lines.

User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13097 times:

Quoting EI2KSEA (Reply 21):
I was looking through an old brochure I had from the initial delivery of EI's A330s back in 1994. It looks as though Premier effectively hasnt changed since then (an upholstry change doesnt really count!). 13 years is a seriously long time without developing a product and it looks as though the old seats will soldier on for even longer. I know many premium passengers snub EI due to the marginal service offered in Premier since 2001 (albeit at relatively lower prices). I just hope that a large scale advertising campaign is not launched trying to plug this new seat when there is still a majority of aircraft with the old layout. Given that now 3 aircraft will have PTV's in C/Y whilst 2 have the new C layout - its furthering the inconsistency that disappoints me about EI.



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 22):
This new product looks great, but yet again we are at the beginning of the never changing circle of EI's long haul product. These new beds and IFE services are fantastic, but, we are right back at the beginning a year ago when EI-DAA was the only craft to have the PTV and better C class seating. Yet again, the customer will not know whether he/she will be paying for this product, or the ten year old product. This is unless EI intend to say *this service is only available to Los Angeles, San Francisco and Dubai* or something along those lines.

There are a few mistakes here that I will point out.
EI-EWR and EI-DAA were delivered with "new seats" in 2000 and 2001, which were do to be spread across the entire fleet. DAA also came with PTVs which were also do to be installed throughout the fleet in Winter 01, but do to the financial crisis, this did not go ahead, although EI-DUB did get the new seats in both C and Y, but no PTVs in Y.
EI-LAX was delivered with the new seats in Y, but the old seats in C. The C seats on LAX, ORD, CRK, and JFK have been upgraded from this:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/AMadridfc_jpg_29696.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/1133323107.jpg

To this in Premier:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/2004_01010100.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/2004_01010106.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/2004_01010102.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/2004_01010107.jpg

And Y seats have have gone from this:

To this:

To this:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/2004_01010114.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t172/eishn/2004_01010115.jpg

So the seats from 13 years ago are completely gone from the interiors. They have all been replaced with brand spankin' new ones.
The inconsistancy is a pain, but look at the competition. DL, no PTVs in Y, and only slowly upgrading the fleet. CO, 757s, and no PTVs althoguh they will be coming soon, still they won't have the same large choice of entertainment onboard that EI will have. AA, well lets say that EI will be offering free food and business class on short haul before AA do anything for their Y pax in terms of product offering. US, sma eas AA really. The only real competition that EI will have to be really afraid of will be EY.
Other than that, you will more than likely have DAA and DUO on flights to LAX, SFO, DXB and ORD. JFK, BOS, IAD and MCO will more likely have the non PTV aircraft, but they are the shorter routes, so it's not that bad.



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User currently offlineEI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13006 times:

Point taken EISHN that new seats have been fitted but my gripe is that these seats are no real departure from what was there previously - im talking about real development here, not a squishy cushion and a twisty lamp  Smile Its no good any longer to say "CO/US/AA/DL dont have them so we dont need them either"; this is the era of open skies, who is to say VS wont try DUB-JFK and essentially scoop up the very premium traffic that EI will have alienated by offering a product whose only consistent point is its crappy-ness. Its no good for EI to say, "hey, VS are here so lets slap a non PTV A332 on DXB so we can show the family brass to Branson on a token once daily JFK with EI-DUO".

There is a substantial amount of premium traffic routing Ireland-Europe-North America with BA, LH, AF and VS because the product is perceived as being of a much higher standard and most importantly - consistant. I know of one Irish state body where a high proportion of their managers and executives regularly fly DUB-FRA-> JFK, ORD, BOS and LAX with LH and these are destinations served by EI; a shoddy inconsistant C class completely undermines the airlines ability to get better revenue from premium passengers and to attract these passengers back. Mannion is obviously pitching this Premier upgrade as a chance to pull back some of those pasengers they lost. As Planemanofnz said certain routes may be dedicated as having a certain service level but the problem with this is that if you sell a flight as having a certain level of service, for hell or high water you need to stick to it - if people will pay more to fly these new aircraft and then get gazumpted due to a last minute subsitution then it doesnt auger well for this little experiement at all. They could have saved the $$$ on the seats and stuck them in afterwards when they are ready for everyone to get the lie-flat treatment.

Competition:
BA - IMHO Out there on its own in T/A Business Class.

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VS - Never really sure if its F or not  Smile

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LH - Looks like the new EI seat

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25 Shamrock350 : The problem about inconsistency may not be around for long because from what EI management have said it looks like the older A330s will leave the flee
26 Post contains images BA787 : Looks pretty nice, just checked it out on the website Also, I'm impressed with the whole site aerlingus.com I've never had a chance to look through it
27 InbarD : The leg rest on the new economy seats looks pretty cool. Although the seats look a bit thin and flimsy, They still look pretty comfortable, in my opin
28 EISHN : I agree with you, but the thing isn't "they don't have, so we don't need it", it's "£they don't have it, so we can do it but at a slower and cheaper
29 Shamrock350 : I agree and I think we will know what Aer Lingus intentions are for the older A330 by the end of June. Inconsistency wont be around for long in the A
30 Boeing7E7 : Yup... Same seat.
31 777way : Do EI plan to expand in Asia?
32 Shamrock350 : BKK has been talked about for a while. Other airports have been rumoured also but as of yet we haven't heard anything from EI at least not recently.
33 EI321 : Yes, but there are some problems. 1. DUB 's runway is only 8650ft long. This means that the only aircraft that realistically suits EI for long haul i
34 Kaitak : I think the problem for EI has been that the Open Skies potential is huge; had O/S not been agreed in February, then we'd be hearing more about BKK, C
35 COEI2007 : I wonder if EI launches a MAN base, could an asian service be operated? Could an A330-200 could operate from MAN-BKK?
36 FlyTUITravel : I think it would get there fine on the MAN-BKK leg, but possibly a tech stop will be needed on BKK-MAN. BTW, sorry to intrude in Irish territory LOL!
37 Shamrock350 : There are now rumours going around on other forums that EI-DAA will get the new seats that EI-DUO has. I hope this is true because the current A332s w
38 Post contains links and images EI321 : It seems that this aircraft is now in the hangars to recieve the interior retrofit. View Large View Medium Photo © Árpád Gordos[Edited 2007-06-01 1
39 Shamrock350 : Unfortunately EIDUZ, another member informed us on the Irish threads that it only went in for a crew rest fit.
40 Post contains links and images EISHN : EI have launched a demonstration page on their site, for the new seat. http://www.aerlingus.com/cgi-bin/obe...gdffgdfki.0&P_OID=-8077&Category=3 Quite
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