LH498 From Germany, joined May 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8645 times:
Searching the web, I've found this article in the Star-Telegram saying that Southwest Airlines could start international flights to Mexico, Canada & the Caribbean by 2009. However before flying with their own planes, they want to have code-shared flights with ATA. It was announced by Gary Kelly at the annual shareholders meeting May 16th.
Perhaps some insiders have more concrete information, as the article is quite vague and Southwest's site has nothing related.
Sounds interesting, so I thought this is a good subject for my first thread.
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1400 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8550 times:
For long time it has been said that WN model would not allow international flights.
However, VivaAerobus, a Mexican LCC following Ryanair model, is planning to grow its network to include cities in US.
So, if VIV can do it, why not WN?
AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3455 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8507 times:
I must say I wouldn't be suprised. There's a lot of money to be made in the Caribbean- a region that has expanded economically over the past decade at a very rapid pace. Lots of potential for P2P flying with the 737s.
I reckon WN will start with the nearest islands- Virgin Is and Dominican Rep. (Hispaniola) before they look to the eastern and southern Caribbean.
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2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8400 times:
SJU, STX and STT are considered "domestic". If WN are not equipped for overwater segments, the only routes that could be viable for WN without great detours would be between SJU/STX/STT and Florida/Louisiana/Texas.
As it has been discussed before, given the WN quick turn around model, the international airports most likely to see WN flights might be those with U.S. F.I.S.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6951 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8342 times:
Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 1): For long time it has been said that WN model would not allow international flights.
I don't think that the issue is WN's model not being able to work for international flights. Rather, they have had enough profitable opportunities within the U.S. domestic market (and even more to the point, the 48 contiguous states) that there has been no need to expand the business internationally yet.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8324 times:
Canada, perhaps - the pre-clearance thing could be done effectively enough to allow for the short turn-around times that WN relies on.
Mexico, remotely possible. I would imagine they might try Monterrey - San Antonio first, to test the business market. Cancun would require ETOPS certification for most routes, and I don't imagine they would be too anxious to compete with carriers to resort locations like PVR.
The Caribbean, however, probably would not be. Locations here are classified as either VFR or vacation destinations. VFR flights are notorious for the copious amounts of cargo, and vacation destinations are very low yield - plus AA has a pretty good lock on trans-Caribbean travel and shares with several airlines lucrative Caribbean routes. I think Southwest would need a bigger plane for any route here.
My two cents.
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WN recently installed life vests and life rafts in their entire fleet of 733, 735, 73G. This allows them to take more direct routings from Florida-North East, and across the Gulf. I can't remember the exact clearance, but I believe they can fly 40 nm away from the coast? OPNL?
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8): Cancun would require ETOPS certification for most routes
There are no ETOPS zones in the Gulf of Mexico. WN might need additional over-water equippment, but that is different than ETOPS. WN wouldn't introduce an ETOPS subfleet unless they began flying to Hawaii with their own metal.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8106 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10): WN recently installed life vests and life rafts in their entire fleet of 733, 735, 73G. This allows them to take more direct routings from Florida-North East, and across the Gulf. I can't remember the exact clearance, but I believe they can fly 40 nm away from the coast? OPNL?
It was lifeVESTS, and they allow us to go as far as 162nm from the nearest shoreline (and there are plenty of those in the Caribbean). If we want/need to go further out than 162nm, then we also have to have lifeRAFTS.
There's a fake press release that had been circulating around the internet for the last few years from a major raft manufacturer, saying that we've placed an order. The raft company spokesman's name is Rowan Anaprain, and that name should be the tip-off... (Rowing and a' praying...)
Corrections appreciated. I find it somewhat ironic that the FAA calculates the safety margin to three significant digits. What exactly gave them the confidence to certify to 162 nm, but not 165, or 170 nm?
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8056 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15): Corrections appreciated. I find it somewhat ironic that the FAA calculates the safety margin to three significant digits. What exactly gave them the confidence to certify to 162 nm, but not 165, or 170 nm?
If memory serves, the original National Airlines (NAL) wanted to be able to use one of the AR (Atlantic Routes) from Florida to DC/NYC, and they sought (and got) an FAR exemption for 162nm since that was the furthest distance from a shoreline for that particular AR.
USPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3299 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8035 times:
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9): pardon my ignorance but what are WN's hubs?? Where would they fly from to NAS???
The Caribbean flights could be flown from MCO and BWI, while Mexico and Canada could be from anywhere WN flies. They really don't fly hub-and-spoke, but their biggest connection centers are MDW, BWI, PHX, LAS, OAK, HOU, DAL, and MCO.
In a few years, Southwest Airlines could make Philadelphia International Airport a key connecting point for a type of customer it doesn't have now - travelers headed to Europe, its chief executive officer says.
But Gary C. Kelly, in an interview here yesterday, said Southwest had a more immediate need: the four additional gates in the airport's Terminal E that it has been promised, so it can add domestic flights........
AirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7634 times:
Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 17): but their biggest connection centers are MDW, BWI, PHX, LAS, OAK, HOU, DAL, and MCO.
Flying international is great from all of those cities except DAL. In the agreement of the New Wright any international traffic would have to fly to DFW. So will we see WN flying in DFW in the near term? ATA flies to DFW maybe they will fly the routes out of DFW, I wouldn't mind seeing some WN jets flying south of the Border though.