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UA 897 B747 Engine Out IAD To PEK  
User currently offlineSFLAFLIGHT From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16684 times:

MNBC reporting UA 747 returning to IAD with Engine out. Not sure if it's a fire or what. Reports on MSNBC is that it will dump fuel.

Edit: Seems like eye witnesses saw fire in an engine at take off. Flightaware showing crusing at 5000 feet right now.

[Edited 2007-05-25 19:50:24]

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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16657 times:

Same news on CNN.



.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16657 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL897


International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16596 times:

MSNBC reporting possible landing in about 10 to 15 minutes. Fuel must have been dumped. They have the cameras ready to view this landing from chopper 4 NBC news Washington (WRC)

BTW, runways now closed. Delays starting at 20 minutes. Apparently will land from the south.

[Edited 2007-05-25 19:56:01]

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16572 times:

Why is the media making this into such a big deal? Slow news day?

User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16546 times:

Because there is nothing better than a possible tragedy? Sad though!

Plane just landing and reporter said "well thank goodness it was a safe landing. It could have turned into something tragic. Those people should be breathing a sigh of relief."

Love that. Tragic. Stupid people. IT HAS 4 ENGINES. IT CAN FLY ON 1!!!!!!!

Well, I at least we got to see professional video of a 747 land beautifully and smoothly on a Friday afternoon  Wink

[Edited 2007-05-25 20:01:39]

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9500 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16521 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 4):
Why is the media making this into such a big deal? Slow news day?

-very-

how ironic that one of the Producers started off the day with "a plane crash...or something would be nice."

note that he didn't say anyone died.



if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16488 times:

Did you hear the "expert commentator" on Fox News?

The 747 is built to take-off and fly on 1 engine

The 747 cannot dump fuel

Unbelievable



Now there is a real pilot on the air and he is setting everything straight.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9500 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16488 times:

oh...and it looks like CNN is getting a chance to test out a new chromakey.


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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16488 times:

Slow news day. Excellent time to put out massive amounts of incorrect information on every station.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20789 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 16488 times:

CNN reports UA897 is safely on the ground.


International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16488 times:

All over......no news here, move on.

User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16488 times:

Plane just landed safely as per CNN.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16443 times:

Oh man, it gets even funnier.

Laurie Dhue just said that "because they are going to China and it is a long flight, the pilots would like to have all the engines running."

 Yeah sure



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16406 times:

MSNBC scooped CNN on this one, MSNBC has video of the plane.

User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16372 times:

I didn't realize a 747 could carry 3300 gallons of fuel. Wow, that's a lot.  Smile (Thanks MSNBC)

User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16348 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 14):
MSNBC scooped CNN on this one, MSNBC has video of the plane.

And excellent video at that.


User currently offlineSdkualeb From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16273 times:

(Plane just landed safely as per CNN)

10 Minutes after MSNBC had it


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16204 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 11):
All over......no news here, move on.

Quite.  yes 

R


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16171 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 7):
Did you hear the "expert commentator" on Fox News?

The 747 is built to take-off and fly on 1 engine

The 747 cannot dump fuel

Wow, that's good reporting... where do they find these 'experts?' I'd be surprised if there were a 4 engine airplane anywhere that could take off and fly on one engine, that's just common sense right there. 747 can fly, but not appreciably climb, on two, is my understanding, however takeoff requires all 4.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 13):
Laurie Dhue just said that "because they are going to China and it is a long flight, the pilots would like to have all the engines running."

Hahaha, that is very true. British Airways has kept on trucking on its flights when one engine goes out, just keep on cruising with 3, it happens. 3 works, they'd just rather have 4, you know? Hahaha



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16128 times:

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 5):
Love that. Tragic. Stupid people. IT HAS 4 ENGINES. IT CAN FLY ON 1!!!!!!!

I think the 747 can maintain height on one engine, it certaily wont be going anywhere quickly!

Agreed that this is a non-event. One shut down engine on a 747 is not the biggest deal in the world. Bloody hell iagine iof it were a twin, the media would have a field day!

Brian.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16128 times:

...fortunately us A.netters know the truth more than most of those so-called "experts"..... Wink
.....I'm glad it landed safely and no one was hurt..a "blown" engine which could have caused ancillary damage could have been a bit more terrible...



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1449 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16033 times:

UA had another engine failure on a ORD-NRT 744 yesterday (Thur). They were over WA state when one engine went tech and they diverted to SFO. They put pax in hotels and departed again this morning using a Star Alliance painted UA 744 (Don't know if UA has one of those but that what I was told) I heard all this from my best friend who was on the plane and I talked to him when he boarded at ORD and was telling him about Channel 9 which he apparently enjoyed since he had never heard of it. He called me 5 hours later and my statement was they must have been flying Super-sonic speed if they made it to NRT in 5 hours...lol.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):

Went spotting at SFO this morning, didn't see you but I saw a bunch of your favorite AA maddogs.  biggrin 



If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 16017 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 20):
Agreed that this is a non-event. One shut down engine on a 747 is not the biggest deal in the world. Bloody hell iagine iof it were a twin, the media would have a field day!

Indeed. Let's remember BA when they flew their 747s as TriJets.  Wink  duck 


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15978 times:

Why can I find nothing about this on MSNBC or CNN?

Oh well, at least there are no front page stories of passengers saying they feared for their lives and will never fly again.


25 AeroWesty : What I don't understand about the drama over this is that unless there's a compressor stall or something, with flames coming out of the engine, you do
26 DAYflyer : Unreal. I'm surprised they didn't call it a Cessna or something. Idiots.
27 Futurecaptain : Amazingly it seems if a reported said this, they actually tried to do some research....they just were to rushed at it. Boeing's website does say "The
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : lol.....I'll be on one tomorrow afternoon.... ..did you take any photos with your "camera"..
29 Post contains images WorldTraveler : just remember that the media's knowledge of other subjects is not a whole lot better than about aviation. however, I had a friend that did temporary d
30 AADC10 : Is it my imagination or do 4 engine planes have more engine failures than ETOPS twins? Obviously the odds of having 1 of 4 engines fail is much higher
31 MDorBust : Then why did a UA 777 divert to Midway?
32 Post contains links and images 3201 : I don't know how they reported that, as its departure fuel or how much it had left when it landed, but that's way less than it can actually hold. For
33 UAL747 : I think you just answered your own question. Of course it is twice as likely that you will have an engine out on a 4-engined aircraft than on a twin.
34 OPNLguy : Priceless... They were operating under a different set of rules than the FAR Part 121 our airlines do.. Completely permissible under our Part 121 reg
35 Post contains images Viscount724 : And this diversion to YZF (Yellowknife in northern Canada) in 2004: And a UA 777 shut down an engine due low oil pressure en route AKL-LAX in March 2
36 Legoguy : Is it possible that a blown engine can send debris through the engine nacelle and into the cabin? I have heard of it on a MD-80 (from memory?) and the
37 Post contains links and images UAL747 : Yup! Sure can: View Large View Medium Photo © Gustavo Bertrán - Iberian Spotters View Large View Medium Photo © Gustavo Bertrán - Iberian Spotter
38 OPNLguy : PNS... The original National Airlines (NAL) had a DC-10 engine spit some engine parts out over New Mexico back in the 1970s, a window got hit by a pi
39 Post contains images Legoguy : Thanks for the details My point being, if debris does exit the engine through the nacelle and enter the cabin, then the incident would be significant
40 Cubastar : You might be thinking of the Delta MD-88 that blew an engine on takeoff from Pensacola a few years ago. Debris will go through an engine ........ and
41 AA787823 : The flight to PEK will overnight in IAD and redepart tomrrow with a different 747. The 747 from today will 3-engine ferry to SFO tomorrow for an engin
42 OPNLguy : As we saw with the recent Thompson 757 incident/thread, just because folks see fire exit the aft end of the engine briefly doesn't mean the aircraft
43 3201 : Thanks for the info. Do you know the tail number of the involved aircraft? Too bad they couldn't just fly on with 3 engines to SFO -- no fuel dump, s
44 VC10er : you know it could have landed in the ocean and sink to the bottom like in airport 77 (or was that 79?). that would be real news! did it have a sexy bl
45 747400sp : Our maybe they just do not want Boeing to look dumb for putting four engines on the jet? HA HA HA I could just see it, (Our top story for the day, 77
46 AznCSA4QF744ER : WIth only limited numbers of B747-400's that United had in operation, these birds are flying LONG haul routes and often don't have much ground times.
47 N710PS : I am curious as to when and how a 777 diverted to MDW. I never heard about this one. I doubt the 777's ability to do so. Getting back out is another q
48 MDorBust : Wrong Midway. Think more... 1942.
49 N710PS : ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! I need to think outside the box more often I guess.
50 OB1504 : I would say that pilots like to have all the engines running for any flight. Aren't takeoff length requirements determined by how much runway is used
51 Tbear815 : IIRC, many years ago, UA was cited for shutting down some (maybe one or two) engines on 747s (100/200) on descent into HNL to save fuel costs. The onl
52 OPNLguy : I can't, nor can I think why any crew in their right mind would want to do this. Sounds like a ready-made "careless and reckless" violation....
53 3201 : It is about losing an engine, but it's not that simple. Part of the problem is you can accelerate to a point where with your distance and speed you c
54 AvFan4ever : Given the same engine model that may be true. However, Boeing data indicates that the current 12-month rolling average IFSD rate for PW4000 is signif
55 FlyDreamliner : Righto! The take off length assumes that at the point at which you cannot abort you'll have enough power to get off the ground short one engine... I
56 Wukka : I'm sure that there are plenty of engineers at GEAE that have thought about the same situation many times over even in their sleep. Do you honestly t
57 AvFan4ever : I'm sure the folks at GE contemplate the scenario, but the folks at Boeing designed and certified the aircraft to be capable of handling it.
58 Wukka : Boeing doesn't have the authority to certify anything (in a legal sense), thus the "Experimental" ticket that they fly under until they actually *do*
59 UAL777UK : IIRC, this was the 77 on route back form AKL and diverted to MDW and was flying on one engine for 90 mins plus and to date was the biggest diversion
60 AvFan4ever : You are technically correct. But perhaps consider that I "built" my house, "opened" a bank account, "licensed" my car, all in the figurative sense ra
61 A340Spotter : While I can't comment on a UA flight, I can vouch that CO6 NRT-IAH made an unscheduled stop enroute in MDY (Midway Atoll) on January 6, 2004 when one
62 Don81603 : Wouldn't it be easier and more cost effective to ferry an engine from SFO to IAD, rather than ferry the aircraft, or does UAL not have maintenance fa
63 Halls120 : I don't believe there are any major maintenance facilities at Dulles.
64 Molykote : I don't know a great deal about UA's operations and infrastructure, but if it were my decision I'd ferry the aircraft. Under most circumstances this
65 3201 : Be very careful, there's a subtlety there. At that point, you have enough power to accelerate to a speed at which you can get off the ground. Usually
66 UAL747 : This People Express (Continental Operating) 747 from LGW had two compressor stalls on the right wing engines. One of them restarted while the other ca
67 OPNLguy : Not at MDW, but MDY... It depends upon the availability of an aircraft capable of getting the engine from SFO to IAD. Instead of waiting on them, and
68 Wukka : Thanks much for the info, and my apologies if I came across as confrontational. Phraseology can bite one in the butt.
69 AvFan4ever : Wukka, no apologies needed! Hope I didn't seem too defensive.
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