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More AA 777s Ordered/CA 777s?  
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1031 posts, RR: 0
Posted (16 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

AA has excersized an option for 3 777s. Bringing its total to 37 aircraft firmly ordered with 10 delievered. The airline announced its intention to convert more options in the future and also said that it will begin using the aircraft onm the following routes: JFK-LHR, LAX-LHR, JFK-EZE, MIA-EZE. Great news! I've also heard a rumor that the CAL Airbus order is not real.

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User currently offlineMAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (16 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Where's that rumor not being "real"? I'd like to see some follow up on that please..I'm quite interested to know the source. (G).

The current issue of Flight International is reporting this order and I expect follow up on it here in Taiwan very soon by the news media.

There are several factors that are not quite understood how the purchases for CAL's aircraft go, particularly with approval being required on just what type is ordered, if any, made thru the ROC government. There are also political implications with regards to trade, aircraft purchases being one of them here, The ROC wants to maintain good trade relations with both the US and Europe. These types of purchases especially. It's split right down the middle.


User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1031 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (16 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

My source is a CAL employee in NY. He says that in Taiwan, many people associate the carrier's A300 troubles with the name Airbus, not A300, and that the airline wants to eliminate any reference to the name because many people have been going out of their way to avoid the aircraft. He also says that The gov't is nervious about the US throwing more support to the mainland, and wants to show "goodwill."

User currently offlineMAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (16 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Interesting as I've heard the same story as well. But many who are close to CAL also tell me that the A300 has redeemed itself after intense retraining effort and contracting of training has been undertaken. The airplane has proven to be a very good vehicle for regional routes. Efficiency and profitability is quite good with it.

Last years CAL crash (and the prior accident at Nagoya in 1994) is the subject of a lot of internal debate at CAL.

One issue that has come to my attention in recent days is a little known discussion over the captain not wanting to divert to Kaohsiung. This is a key element in this tragedy as the pilot was totally fixated on -NOT- diverting to KHH.

Here is an extract of what was told me..

The captain's wife was on board CI676. She was an executive of a company in
Taiwan and had a very important meeting the next morning. Before the plane
left Bali, the capt was anxious about the weather condition in Taipei Int'l.
His wife must make TPE that night or would have trouble. He kept asking for
the weather condition via HF radio on the way back to TPE. Though his
altitude was too high on final to runway 05L, he decided to make the runway
anyway since the weather was becoming bad again and the airport would be
closed when he made a 15 minutes circle. However, he was really too high and
probably nobody could make it. Finally the crew decided to go around but the
autopilot problem of A300-600R came again. (if I'm right, they set the flaps
in wrong position that caused the plane pitched up to about 90 degree under
go-around power) A few seconds before impact, the CVR recorded the sound of
the F/O. He turned to the captain and said, "you SOB kill all of us!"

This is something worth considering in this. It really fits too, schedule wise a diversion to Kaohsiung at that time of night would have forced the people to be put up over night at the hotels or attempt to get the latest express bus to Taipei or attempt to catch the Express Train.

Or in other words, a high chance the important meeting would not have been made.

As for the A300, it has been a very good revenue maker for CAL and the accusations made against it have been largely refuted. The problem was primarily -training-. The Anti-A300 sentiment that was felt has been explored here in Taiwan's media, but careful examination and understanding of what went on is just now coming out.

CAL is returning to profitability and the primary issues of safety, CRM and so forth are now being trained by Lufthansa. There seems to be a change at CAL from what I've read, heard as well as seen.

As for goodwill, well.. Taiwan walks a delicate line trying to get support from everywhere. Just today there are rumors circulating that the USA will "punish" Taiwan by restricting sales of military equipment for President Lee Teng Hui's 's recent statements on "State to State" dialogue, of which is making headlines around the world.

Also of note, today -all 21- Taiwan county legislators and major city mayors signed a petition supporting President Lee's statement. The motion is already underway here to buttress support for President Lee's stance at home. What does that mean tradewise? A Good guess?

It could mean Taiwan gets more friendly with it's French supplier of Mirage jets and military equipment, along with civilian airliners from Airbus.

If the US moves to cut off military assistance to Taiwan (which could violate the Taiwan Relations Act), it could do irreparable damage to US-Taiwan trade let alone ties, (Taiwan is far more of an importer of US goods than Mainland China I will add) in reference to this matter, the converse of what you are saying in respect to China could occur.

Taiwan would basically say, "Fine, stab us in the back, you've done it before..fine..this time..we'll take our business elsewhere...we'll get our military equipment to defend ourselves and we'll get our airliners...elsewhere.."

They'd do it too. I sense a sincere frustration within the ROC of American politics with regards to Taiwan and China. I believe they are at a juncture. Another thing to consider, Taiwan also sits on top of the worlds 3rd largest gold reserve.

Watch the news closely how this recent row affects this, it shall be interesting.

And..last but not least, Airbus Vice Chairman Adam Brown was in Taipei Tuesday and I believe today. A story in the "China Times" quotes Brown saying an unidentified airline in Taiwan has requested the A3XX to go forward. There is another article in today's "China Post" stating the same but goes further to say that a $4 billion dollar order will be announced by China Airlines by the end of August.


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