STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8981 posts, RR: 27 Posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5923 times:
Interesting email I received from "Special Guests.com," which is a booking service for speakers to get on radio/television shows, etc. etc.
Anyway, it pertains to criticisms over Delta Air Line's choice of showings for its in flight entertainment. Read at your own leisure and draw your own conclusions. Keep in mind this is basically an advertisement for the group, Morality in Media.
DELTA IN-FLIGHT MOVIES MAKE JANET JACKSON’S WARDROBE ‘MALFUNCTION’ LOOK TAME
Delta is ready when you are.
Want nude films?
Can’t wait ‘til you hit the ground? No problem. Delta is flaunting nude films despite objections from its ‘prudish’ passengers.
Robert Peters, President of Morality in Media, is available for Talk Show interviews to discuss Delta’s outrageous affront to decency and their blatant subjection of children to graphic nude scenes.
On May 17, Morality in Media received a call from a citizen in Atlanta who reported that Delta Airlines had aired HBO’s “Rome,” with scenes of nudity and simulated sex, on overhead TV screens in the aisle. When he complained, he was told the program should have been available only on “private” screens. When he objected to showing “Rome” on “private” screens, he was told the airlines would be editing sexually explicit scenes to three seconds or less and that passengers who objected to content on “private” screens would be reseated.
Robert Peters, President of Morality in Media, had the following comments:
“When I fly, I often find myself watching programming that is exhibited on a screen controlled by a passenger seated adjacent to me or in a row ahead of me. These screens, like laptop computer or cell phone screens, are ‘private’ only in the sense that each passenger controls the programming.
“While it is understandable that commercial airlines want to maximize each passenger’s choice when it comes to viewing programming on ‘private’ screens, it should also be understood that other passengers sitting nearby are, for all practical purposes, a captive audience.
“Once the flight is underway, and especially when a flight is full, passengers can’t just get up and go to another seat. Flight attendants must first find another passenger who wouldn’t mind getting an eyeful of explicit sex on a nearby screen. If a parent and child want to move, attendants must find two passengers seated next to each other that are willing to move.
“And what if a parent is asleep or engrossed in a book when the sex heats up? What if a parent can’t see the sexually explicit programming because his or her view is blocked?
“Reportedly, Delta Airlines’ solution to this dilemma is to edit nudity or explicit sex to three seconds or less. To put that in perspective Janet Jackson’s breast was exposed for only 19/32 of a second on CBS TV during the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show.
“According to Dr. Judith Reisman, ‘“in 3/10 of a second a visual image passes from the eye through the brain, and whether or not one wants to, the brain is structurally changed and memories are created – we literally ‘grow new brain’ with each new visual experience.”’ [“Hearing on the Brain Science of Pornography Addiction,” U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, Subcommittee on Science, Technology and Space, 11/8/04]
“Or, take a watch with a second hand, count along (one, two, three), and then ask yourself, ‘What parent would permit a child to (repeatedly) view explicit sex for two or three seconds?’
“In case someone thinks the caller overreacted, here are descriptions of content on HBO’s ‘Rome.’
“‘In “Rome,” HBO really lays it on thick. Every few minutes, somebody is gutted with a sword, nailed to a crucifix, tortured, whipped or otherwise beaten…As for sex, the Rome of “Rome” is a veritable fornication nation. Wenches are plucked off the streets or fields by marauding soldiers, who rape and discard them. A noblewoman…beds everyone in sight.’ [N.Y. Post, 8/24/05]
“‘But in the hands of devilishly vulgar and explicit HBO, this Rome is especially bad…as in bloody, vicious and wicked. With this much stabbing, throat slitting and sexual debauchery, it’s a city only the stoutest of heart should visit…HBO…shows us a “Rome” that is sadistic and obscene, with plenty of sword gougings and full-frontal nudity.’ [Salt Lake City Tribune, 8/26/05]
“‘The egregious sex (heightened in the next few weeks…) and the zeal for bloody, sharp-knifed close combat, should remind everyone that this is HBO…Rome is full of …bloody fights and provocative sexual encounters (If you thought the May-December lesbian tryst…was different, wait two weeks for something far more boundary pushing).’ [San Francisco Chronicle, 10/14/05]
“‘I’m not sure why “Rome” has become somewhat less full of naked women and rapes in fields…It is still far too naughty…to be shown in classrooms…’ [Chicago Sun Times, 1/11/07]
“‘Rome’…has pioneered a new category: HBO Trash. The series may be HBO's most visually spectacular outing…but "Rome" has the…soul of a hard-R-rated soap.’ [Boston Globe, 1/13/07]
“‘Rome’ is visually intoxicating…Abject cruelty and hedonism has rarely looked so sumptuous…It's an endless flood of beatings, buggerings, exploitation of young male prostitutes, grubby men refusing to rise from their bed until they've been satisfied (and it doesn't matter by who) and lasciviously rendered torture scenes.’ [Daily News of Los Angeles, 1/14/07]
ABOUT MORALITY IN MEDIA…
Headquartered in New York City, Morality In Media (MIM) works through constitutional means to curb traffic in illegal obscenity. MIM operates the www.obscenitycrimes.org website, where citizens can report possible violations of federal Internet obscenity laws.
Established in New York City in 1962 to combat pornography, now national in scope, Morality In Media works to inform citizens and public officials about the harms of pornography and about what they can do through law to protect their communities and children. MIM also works to maintain standards of decency on TV and in other media. Contributions are tax-exempt.
ABOUT ROBERT PETERS…
Robert Peter is President of Morality in Media. He is a regular guest on many television programs including three times on Larry King. He has been a diligent warrior in the fight against indecency for over two decades.
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TUSaadvantage From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 160 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5824 times:
Really, these people need to get a grip. All these "morality" based groups have way too much power in society. I'm sick of these groups imposing their self-rightous moral views on everyone else. If they don't like what's on, they have the right to fly a different airline or start their own. I for one am glad Delta shows HBO. Seems as though everyone else plays it safe with nonstop, mindless Disney crap.
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3808 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5780 times:
I agree. The world is becomming increasng "politically correct". That, as far as I am concerned is very dangerous. If someone is offended by the content I CHOOSE to watch, then I would consider turning it off, if they asked nicely.
What I do not appreciate is people who hang around in busy Coffee houses and challenge customers on their political/religious belief's. I do not have to justify my lifestlye / religion to anybody, least of all some whack job from the bible belt. A leaflet is fair enough, but a lecture? No way.
Similarly these "poor sensitive" people need to get a life. Could some one please explain to me how sex would be damaging to a youg person. Those who are old enough to watch a screen for an exteded period of time are old enough to know about sex. Very young children wont even realise what is going on.
Sex is controversial, I accecpt that. But, on the other hand, it is a biological function. I cant see how anybody would be "damaged" by it. People need to grow up, be mature, and act like adults, not skittish school girls.
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5642 times:
Cant keep everyone happy all of time, can you?
Delta (and other carriers.......Delta is taking the heat here, but this issue is certainly not DL specific) is being challenged because they offer a choice of video entertainment on board their flights, and that stinks. Yes, some of the HBO programming is a ""adult oriented", but really, its hardly pornography or so explicit or graphic that its troublesome. Lets face it, every 6 year old is watching HBO....and if certain passengers dont like these shows, do the same thing that they would do at home, turn it off and watch the Disney Channel.
CO has shown Sex and the City episodes and Sopranos episodes on one channel of their video lineup years for a long period a few years ago (cant remember if it was shown only in bizfirst or both cabins) and both shows contained ""adult content""........why is this becoming an issue now for DL? Maybe the members of the this group never flew on a CO international flight since they never leave the US? Who knows?
Alaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 900 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5286 times:
Hey I don't see what the problem is... the TV's only work half the time. I have had IFE's on 4 flights with DL and they have only worked on 2 of them. and the over head is such bad quality, that you wouldn't be able to tell anything apart really.
Ok in all seriousness I think that sex should NEVER be played on a overhead screen, no questions about it, that is a very sad thing to do. As for PTV's... well thats a bit harder to answer, I know on other airlines, like QF (as airnewzealand said), the PTV's can only be seen from directly in front of so there is nothing to be concerned about. Yet on airlines like DL where you can watch other peoples movies it becomes a bit more public. With that being said if you don't want to see the sex on someones personal Television, then don't bloody well watch it... simple as that
[Edited 2007-05-26 22:53:46]
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Floridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5261 times:
Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 11): Hey I don't see what the problem is... the TV's only work half the time. I have had IFE's on 4 flights with DL and they have only worked on 2 of them.
Wow, that's only 50%! You've had really bad luck. lol. I've had quite good luck with DL's new PTVs and I am quite impressed by it. However, I've noticed that it seems like there's one channel or two sometimes that don't work on each flight.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5242 times:
Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 3): Really, these people need to get a grip. All these "morality" based groups have way too much power in society
Americans need to get a grip and focus on more important things than imposing morals or believes on others, if it were for all these Christian psychos we would be living in Christian Taliban in the US. I am a devout practicing catholic, but I could care less about all of these morality issues, morals are private and can never be imposed.
Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 4): It's always funny how the eyes of the easily offended seem to wander around more than those of the regular passenger...
Aerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1515 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5212 times:
I disagree ! And I really have to wonder about some of you at times. Is there nothing left that is sacred with some of you anymore?
This picture was not shown on private individual screens- It was shown on the overhead public screens.
There has to be a line of decency somewhere.
The interesting thing that I find though - Some of you were up in arms when VS was showing the film about 9/11 on their aircrafts. Yet you think there is nothing wrong with showing stimulated sex scenes to kids.
Appearantly not. That article is the biggest load of pig crap ive ever read. Some people are just way too far out there I guess. Just dont watch it if you dont want to. Sometimes I think people just get false morals. The thing is that airlines are trying to show tons and tons of movies and TV shows from PTV on all their aircraft. With the shape of entertainment in the modern day, your bound to run into some sex and violence at some point while surfing your hundreds of channels on your PTV. With all of the crazy stuff going on in the world, moral decay on airline TV's should be the least of everyones worries.
Thats why I love my hometown, no morals anywhere to be found. If you dont believe me just go to Santa Monica Blvd in Hollywood on a Saturday night and look at the collection of gay and transvestite prostitutes. Or theres Sunset Blvd if you look female prostitutes.
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5152 times:
Quoting STLGph (Thread starter): On May 17, Morality in Media received a call from a citizen in Atlanta who reported that Delta Airlines had aired HBO’s “Rome,” with scenes of nudity and simulated sex, on overhead TV screens in the aisle.
Was this confirmed as correct?
Quoting STLGph (Thread starter): When he complained, he was told the program should have been available only on “private” screens. When he objected to showing “Rome” on “private” screens, he was told the airlines would be editing sexually explicit scenes to three seconds or less and that passengers who objected to content on “private” screens would be reseated.
It seems that ROME is a selection for PTV viewing and the article cited goes on to complain about PTV issues.....
Quoting STLGph (Thread starter): “When I fly, I often find myself watching programming that is exhibited on a screen controlled by a passenger seated adjacent to me or in a row ahead of me. These screens, like laptop computer or cell phone screens, are ‘private’ only in the sense that each passenger controls the programming.
Thus, while I respect your position, I am really not sure that we are talking about cabin monitors........the focus of the piece seems to be PTV screens and the ability to watch PTV screens being used by other pax.
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14): This picture was not shown on private individual screens- It was shown on the overhead public screens.
I am not convinced that ROME was shown on the cabin monitors, and if it was, its was clearly an error by the cabin crew (not sure how that would happen) and a mistake. As I stated above, I have no problem with a show like ROME available as a choice on the PTV system, but I agree it is a bit graphic for viewing on the general cabin wide entertainment system.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15): Thats why I love my hometown, no morals anywhere to be found. If you dont believe me just go to Santa Monica Blvd in Hollywood on a Saturday night and look at the collection of gay and transvestite prostitutes. Or theres Sunset Blvd if you look female prostitutes
You are far too young to remember when Santa Monica Blvd was really fun.....I was there but dont remember much but I did hear that I had a great time.
I have experienced the product twice. Once on Song, and once more recently on Delta Mainline. The one on song was like what you describe; you had to be directly infront of it to view it. Your seatmates could not view it, it looked as if the screens were not even on.
Then on my more recent trip, it was a lot more visible.
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You got the idealistic, moralistic, extreme Christians in the Palisades and Malibu. Mel Gibson anyone?
Seriously, though, who cares about sex scenes on TV? 99% of all men have a dick. 99% of all women have tits. I don't see what the problem is when the clothes comes on. Beside, every self-respecting teenager has hours of porn saved onto their computer. If they didn't give so much free-publicity towards sex, the number of hyper-active sex addict teenagers would not be as high as it is. Fact of the matter is, teens do everything there not supposed to. under-aged sex, under-age drinking, drugs, fights, this, that. you can't stop that, we just generally are over rebellious.
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YWGfarmer From Canada, joined May 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4287 times:
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 14): Yet you think there is nothing wrong with showing stimulated sex scenes to kids.
I don't think this is the case. I don't think the screen popped up with Mickey Mouse waving, then turned into two people having sex.
Nor do I think the FA came on the PA and said "and here we have on our TVs, for all the kids out there, some sex scenes! Take notes please!"
Responsible parents will keep their kids from watching it. Irresponsible parents will let their kids see it regardless, whether it's on an airplane or in the living room or visiting the vast collection of actual porn, not just TV show sex, the wonderful internet offers.
People these days are too uptight and throwing their "morals" in others faces.
When I don't like something that's going on, I ignore it. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.
This is in agreeance with:
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16): I am not convinced that ROME was shown on the cabin monitors, and if it was, its was clearly an error by the cabin crew (not sure how that would happen) and a mistake. As I stated above, I have no problem with a show like ROME available as a choice on the PTV system, but I agree it is a bit graphic for viewing on the general cabin wide entertainment system.
Granted I also hold a belief that even if it was on the cabin-wide viewable screen, nobody is forced to look at that either.
Murder/gore/rape (as long as no breasts are shown) are ok. Everything else. Someone takes issue.
Tmamtrak From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4252 times:
On a recent BA flight, the entertainment guide stated that if adults did not want their children viewing certain programs, those channels could be locked out at a given seat by the Flight Attendants. Is this the case on any other airlines?
I have never seen Rome and don't know what it's like, but it does sound a little graphic for mainscreen entertainment. However, I see no reason to censor things for the general public on PTVs, so long as there is a way to allow adults to either keep themselves or their children from seeing something they don't like in front of them.
I'd also like to note that the PTV of the person in the seat ahead of you can sometimes be seen depending on recline and such, and if you're seated in an aisle you can often see the PTV across the aisle and several rows ahead. Of course the screens are so small it's hard to make out such details from 12 inches away, let alone 12 feet.
DeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4180 times:
That article is just a huge load of stinking political propaganda. I honestly don't know why people have to make such a big fuss over things such as these. There are bigger and far more prevalent problems in this world than sex on TV. If you don't want to watch it, then choose something else to watch. Don't b#@^$ and moan about it.
Quoting TUSaadvantage (Reply 3): Really, these people need to get a grip. All these "morality" based groups have way too much power in society. I'm sick of these groups imposing their self-rightous moral views on everyone else. If they don't like what's on, they have the right to fly a different airline or start their own. I for one am glad Delta shows HBO. Seems as though everyone else plays it safe with nonstop, mindless Disney crap.
I can't stand how these people are so bothered by such matters. It's disgusting to me how they worry about things like this that they view as "major issues" when we have much larger things to deal with such as illegal immigration etc.
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 6): Sex is controversial, I accecpt that. But, on the other hand, it is a biological function. I cant see how anybody would be "damaged" by it. People need to grow up, be mature, and act like adults, not skittish school girls.
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If you don't like it then don't watch it. Get over it. Stop whining, you're acting like 5 year-olds. Besides you should be doing something productive or educational like reading a book or something. Americans are way too concerned about entertainment and being entertained in the first place.
There are too many people who just don't take the time to think that sex is just one of many human bodily functions and that they just need to deal with it in a way that will not upset other people. They need to mind their own business and keep those things to themselves instead of wasting time and money on an effort to change what people can and cannot view while on a plane. Sex is just a part of life and it's going to be on TV whether you like it or not. That's how society is these days. It's not like you're actually going see people doing it out with everything showing. Most of it is making out and under the sheets stuff.
So, just deal with it. It happens and then it's over. No big deal.
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25 MD80fanatic: The moral issues aside, which clearly escape 99% of you, the fact that you cannot live without visual stimulus for a 12 hour stretch (or less) is utte
26 Wdleiser: o god the Bible thumpers will attack anything possible. They all just need to calm down and realize not many people enjoy hearing them speak. I have s
27 SRQCrosscheck: Alleluia! If you're easily offended, don't stare at your neighbor's screen until you become so. "Mmmhmmm... I'm gunna get me 3 shotguns at Wal-mart."
28 DL777LAX: As a student of Palisades high, I'd like to represent us in the Los Angeles area. We are, in fact, part of Los Angeles. Not that that de-values your
29 LAXdude1023: Was it, or are we just going on what the article says? Its always to take right-wing propaganda with a grain of salt. But if it was the case then it