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New EL AL 777 First Month Schedule - 4X - ECE  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

OK -
Dont kill me if you book a flight from what I say and it turns out to be wrong but:
Apparently the first new 772er that LY is scheduled to recieve mid July - 4x - ECE - will operate LY027/028 and LY315/316 from July 29.

It will fly to EWR starting on the LY027 departing on July 29 and will operate the flight every other day. (you can check website to see that in that time period, 777 and 744 alternate each day to operate 027/028)

Since LY028 arrives in the morning, it will operate LY315/316 to LHR and return in time to fly LY027.

EXAMPLE:
29Jul EWR 14:30 TLV 08:05 +1 LY 028 NO FCY 777
30Jul TLV 10:15 LHR 13:35 LY 315 NO FCY 777
30Jul LHR 15:35 TLV 22:20 LY 316 NO FCY 777
31Jul TLV 00:05 EWR 05:05 LY 027 NO FCY 777

NO ROOM FOR MISTAKE/DELAY.

[Edited 2007-05-27 19:10:50]

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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

BTW - It will have the new interior with new seats and AVOD.

2 rows of First with 8 seats, one less C class and one less Y class.

Flat seats in F and C.
Large LCD in Y,
I think with portable Entertainment system in C and F.


User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7725 times:

Will they fly to CDG?
I am going to TLV this summer, do you have a chance to fly one of them?



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User currently offlineJycarlisle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

This is definitely good news. Does LY have any plans for the 787?

Shavuah tov.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
29Jul EWR 14:30 TLV 08:05 +1 LY 028 NO FCY 777



Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
31Jul TLV 00:05 EWR 05:05 LY 027 NO FCY 777

Wouldn't it make sense to have a tighter turnaround at EWR and have the dead time be at TLV?


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Wouldn't it make sense to have a tighter turnaround at EWR and have the dead time be at TLV?

The scheduling wouldn't make any sense. During the first one or 2 months the aircraft will anyway not need any maintanance besides regular ground checks. I am sure they'll use the time wisely in EWR to clean the aircraft extensively etc. At the end of the day it doesn't matter if it's done in TLV or anywhere else, just when it comes to Maintanance it would.

Quoting Amirs (Reply 1):
2 rows of First with 8 seats, one less C class and one less Y class.

When is the 2nd new 772 xpected with LY? One less seat in C and Y doesn't make sense. If F will use up more space C must do so as well with their new seats and there would need to be a reduction of a couple of Y class rows or smaller C class??? Will the rest of the 772 fleet and 747's also receive AVOD or only the simmilar seats?


User currently offlineMikebg From Israel, joined Jan 2005, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7537 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
One less seat in C and Y doesn't make sense. If F will use up more space C must do so as well with their new seats and there would need to be a reduction of a couple of Y class rows or smaller C class??? Will the rest of the 772 fleet and 747's also receive AVOD or only the simmilar seats?

I think he meant one less ROW in C and one less ROW in Y. Personally, I think that removing one row from C is a really major mistake, as the C cabin is nearly always full, and this will reduce revenues significantly (a whole row of C is a lot of money ...).


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7527 times:

Its very very rare that one aircraft continuously flies the same pattern for an entire month.......what about maintainance schedules for this airplane and the others 777s in the EL AL fleet? In addition, a factory new airplane is usually not agressively scheduled during the first weeks of operation until the airplane is ""broken-in""........the new AVOD system alone, for example, will require a lot of attention by the tech staff.

Its great that EL AL is getting another 772ER, but its unlikely that 4X-ECE will be at EWR every other day starting mid July.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

Quoting Jycarlisle (Reply 3):
This is definitely good news. Does LY have any plans for the 787?

Thats the million dollar question - No offcial word, speculation for over a year now. Latest is that they plan to lease 5 - 6 a/c from 2011 - 2015.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
When is the 2nd new 772 xpected with LY?

mid August.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
Will the rest of the 772 fleet and 747's also receive AVOD or only the simmilar seats?

the rest of the 777 and 744 wil get the new flat seats in C and F. I am not sure about the AVOD. I think the current 777/744 have a system that can offer older generation AVOD. Not sure what will be of them. LY states they will have the latest technology for an Entertainment system in the skies.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Quoting Mikebg (Reply 6):
I think he meant one less ROW in C and one less ROW in Y

yes one less ROW not seat, thanks.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 7):
Its great that EL AL is getting another 772ER, but its unlikely that 4X-ECE will be at EWR every other day starting mid July.

I didnt say they will 4X-ECE will be in EWR from mid july, its joining the fleet in mid Huly but will be in EWR from end of JULY - July 29.

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
4x - ECE - will operate LY027/028 and LY315/316 from July 29.


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

There are some mistakes here....

1st of all, LY is moving to a new configuration on all 777s.
These will be 12F/35C/232Y Vs. current 6F/40C/237Y.

New configured 777s will be shown in the systems as 772.

The 1st new 777, ECE, is already scheduled for flights in August, but, this is not final.
For the moment, ECE's flights are shown as 777 but will be changed in the near future to 772.

6th 777 will be delivered in the end of August.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
There are some mistakes here....



Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
1st of all, LY is moving to a new configuration on all 777s.

No one said otherwise - i said all 777 and 744 will get new seats in F and C. They will keep the current Y class seats with new configuration.

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
These will be 12F/35C/232Y Vs. current 6F/40C/237Y.

I am not sure you are right about the configuration.
I have heard from more than one source there will be two rows of F class, but with total 8 seats - 4 seats in each row.
We will wait and see.


User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

LY should put new Y seats on their 744s because they really look old and tired


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 8):
think the current 777/744 have a system that can offer older generation AVOD. Not sure what will be of them. LY states they will have the latest technology for an Entertainment system in the skies.

Sorrz Amirs was confused if you meant rows or seats, but this is clarified now  Wink . The 744's as far as I know never got an upgrade and still have one of the very first PTV systems that were on the market from 1994, so they better change that. Regarding the older 772's when judging their remotes it must be a Masushita system that is used by various airlines including SQ on their older 772's however the system was never made interactive. Gues they would need to upgrade it or change it completely to get it to be AVOD, let's see.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 13):
Sorrz Amirs was confused if you meant rows or seats, but this is clarified now . The 744's as far as I know never got an upgrade and still have one of the very first PTV systems that were on the market from 1994, so they better change that. Regarding the older 772's when judging their remotes it must be a Masushita system that is used by various airlines including SQ on their older 772's however the system was never made interactive. Gues they would need to upgrade it or change it completely to get it to be AVOD, let's see.

100 % correct.
Though the actual PTV were not changed in the 744, I think they installed the same system like in 777.
I know they did something with one of the inflight service systems.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 14):
100 % correct.
Though the actual PTV were not changed in the 744, I think they installed the same system like in 777.
I know they did something with one of the inflight service systems.

Oh ok, I see. Do you know by when the entire 744 and 772 fleet will be upgraded with the new seats? Would be cool if they would also change the overhead bins etc with the new desings found in the last 744s produced that looks simmilar to the 777's. As far as I know LY did put in some kind of lie flat seats in it's 767's both 200ER and 300's so there nothing will change?


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Why isn't LY deploying its new 777s on the MIA route? Is there not enough demand for larger aircraft on this route? Ordinarily, wouldn't it be more cost efficient to send the 777, rather than an old 762, on nonstop flights between TLV and MIA?

User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7007 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
Oh ok, I see. Do you know by when the entire 744 and 772 fleet will be upgraded with the new seats?

According to LY they should ahve the new seats in all 77 and 744 by Spring 2008. Another 8 a/c - Probably 1 a month

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
As far as I know LY did put in some kind of lie flat seats in it's 767's both 200ER and 300's so there nothing will change?

Yeah those seats are new, actually the C class in 777 is getting the similiar seat but with much more features and better pitch.
In the 762/763 the pitch is 60' and in the 777 I think they will be 62 or 63.





767 seat

[Edited 2007-05-28 19:08:07]

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6975 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 17):

Thanks for the info Amirs


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 11):
Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 10):
These will be 12F/35C/232Y Vs. current 6F/40C/237Y.

I am not sure you are right about the configuration.
I have heard from more than one source there will be two rows of F class, but with total 8 seats - 4 seats in each row.
We will wait and see.

I dont know where you got this info, but 12F is the number (and it would make sense after LY will publish the new F/cl fares).

Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
LY should put new Y seats on their 744s because they really look old and tired

I agree with you, but there are no plans at LY doing this AFAIK.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 16):
Why isn't LY deploying its new 777s on the MIA route? Is there not enough demand for larger aircraft on this route? Ordinarily, wouldn't it be more cost efficient to send the 777, rather than an old 762, on nonstop flights between TLV and MIA?

Its being considered but MIA is not that strong like people here think and may not justify a 777.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
Do you know by when the entire 744 and 772 fleet will be upgraded with the new seats? Would be cool if they would also change the overhead bins etc with the new desings found in the last 744s produced that looks simmilar to the 777's. As far as I know LY did put in some kind of lie flat seats in it's 767's both 200ER and 300's so there nothing will change?

The entire 744 fleet is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2008, the 777 are due before summer 2008.
All is going to be according to planned C checks and seats & kits arrival at the airline.

C/cl on 777s & 744s, like Amir said, will be upgraded from 55" to 62" (and above) with Sicma seats and on 762 & 763 its 60" with Webber seats (EAA & EAB have 54" pitch in c/cl)


User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

The C class of the 767s look really great, I love the big LCD screns and the El Al logo in silver...
Does LY intend to refurbish the 767 cabins?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32872 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6878 times:

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):

Its being considered but MIA is not that strong like people here think and may not justify a 777.

I don't know about yields, but El Al has the highest load factors of any airline at MIA. I doubt it is very efficient to send the 762 to MIA. It is probably a huge gas guzzler, and it is taking the aircraft to it's truest limits. MIA-TLV is one of the world's 25 longest non-stops, and the only one operated by a plane as old as the 762ER. There would be lots of cargo advantages and potential cost savings by sending the 772 to MIA when planes are available.

[Edited 2007-05-28 23:08:00]


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6869 times:

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):
I agree with you, but there are no plans at LY doing this AFAIK.

Those seats are in since the aircraft were introduced to the fleet ELA,B,C since 1994 /1995 and on pics the seats look disasterous. This will also mean no new IFE at least not for Y as the seats / screens don't have any form of controls etc to offer it.


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):

Its being considered but MIA is not that strong like people here think and may not justify a 777.

I don't know about yields, but El Al has the highest load factors of any airline at MIA. I doubt it is very efficient to send the 762 to MIA. It is probably a huge gas guzzler, and it is taking the aircraft to it's truest limits. MIA-TLV is one of the world's 25 longest non-stops, and the only one operated by a plane as old as the 762ER. There would be lots of cargo advantages and potential cost savings by sending the 772 to MIA when planes are available.

The yields are not great, also the class mix as LY has a relatively *small* C/cl cabin in the 762.
Cost saving with 777s? No way. A rotation by the 762 is much more cheaper than with 777s.
In oppose to the 4 early built 767-258, EAE & EAF are much more economical (with PW4060 engines).

LY's 762 are capable of caring cargo to and from MIA. Demand is the key here.

Anyway, I would vote for 777s to MIA, it just that the reality is a bit different but this should be considered.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 19):
The entire 744 fleet is scheduled to be completed by the end of 2008, the 777 are due before summer 2008.
All is going to be according to planned C checks and seats & kits arrival at the airline.

Another example of LY misleading the public ... according to this http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Ab...neral_items/He_NewsSeats020507.htm press release (in hebrew) they say that they they plan to refit all the reamaing a/c with the new seats by spring 2008.
Well I hope they dont have 2 different types of business class and firs class for a year and a half!!!
Come on they only need to do 8 a/c.
In the past, they fitted the 767 (i think there were 6 or 7 then) in less than 6 months.


25 Amirs : EL AL 001 I now heard from a f/a that just did a one day introduction course to the new 777's that there will be 10 F class seats. They will be at an
26 LY777 : IMHO, 10 F seats is too much for a 772; for example, AF has only 4 First class seats on their 772s
27 Qantas744ER : Why? UA has 12 first class sleeper suites on the 772's... flew in UA F on the 772 last weekend from IAD to MUC.. AF's seats are larger and LY's are s
28 TLVFred : BA has 14!! Good news for us frequent F flyers. Hope service maintains as 2 f/a's for 6 will probably now be for 10. Great to have a) F as word had it
29 Post contains images LXA340 : Ok, sounds like a bit of a weird configuration, but let's see . I seriously hope they did a good job for once with their new seats. Yes LY is very mis
30 El Al 001 : Thats incorrect. Im sorry. There are going to be 2 rows of F/cl with 77" (today 90"-100"), all together 12 flat beds. The fare for LY's new First cla
31 Shlomoz : This doesn't make sense. How are they going to get 21 seats in at 62" pitch behind the C galley if they are basically keeping the Y configuration and
32 El Al 001 : Because the pitch of the 3 rows in C/cl we are talking about is not going to change a lot from the way its today. And, BTW, there will be a reduction
33 LY777 : excuse me, what is LOPA?
34 El Al 001 : LOPA stands for Layout of Passenger Accommodation
35 LY777 : ok, thanks for the info BTW, it is a shame LY did not order 2 77Ws instead of those 772s
36 El Al 001 : If you ask me- the answer would be no. 777-300ER wouldve been a better performer, no doubt about it. But, given the engine issue there was not a lot o
37 Amirs : so what is going to be in 744? First class upstairs?
38 LXA340 : Just to get this right, LY will abolish "First Class" and it will be like something inbetween C and F with cheaper fares + a Normal Business Class wit
39 Mikebg : Not quite. The new 777s configurations will be used as a 'pilot test' to gauge customer reactions to this idea. It may or may not be copied to other
40 LXA340 : oh ok, I see. They'll wait the na few months and will then start to reconfigure the rest of the 777's and 744's and by Spring / Autum 08 all of them w
41 AF022 : The B762 is a gas guzzler, but the range is outstanding. From what I can see, the only long-range routes where LY uses the B762 and couldn't be repla
42 IAD380 : I agree that LY should operate all of its routes to North America with the 777s, although some flights to JFK and EWR will be on 744s. LY will contin
43 AF022 : You're right about JNB. Thus I would recommend: NYC - B744/B777 Other Americas - B777 JNB/Far East - B777/B763 Europe - B757/B737 To me, the B762 doe
44 LY777 : excepth London and CDG with 777s
45 LXA340 : The 763 is deployed to YYZ however I don't think to MIA
46 IAD380 : Do LY and AC both fly 763s between TLV and YYZ? Maybe LY will eventually upgrade to this route to a 777, and AC will eventually fly a 777 or 343 to T
47 FlyBaby : I think they may have used to fly a 777 there when their LAX flights connected through YYZ. Now they fly to LAX nonstop from TLV so that may have nec
48 Post contains images LXA340 : At the begining even 744's were used but at some point the route was downgraded to a 762 / 763 (when intorduced to LY fleet) and last year I think it
49 IAD380 : Thanks for the information. I did not know that AC was phasing A343s out of its fleet. AC flies to TLV daily in the summer. During low season, AC fli
50 LXA340 : No prob, yeah at least one has left already. It went to Swiss and is going through a cabin renewal and will fly with them starting in July. Do you ha
51 IAD380 : Sorry, I don't. However, AC seems to do better than LY because it consistently offers the most flights throughout the year on the YYZ-TLV. In contras
52 LXA340 : True, AC seems not too do badly on the TLV line then. By the time enough 763's will be XM'd (Extreme Makeover) with the new seats in Y and C their pr
53 Amirs : Once ECF will join the fleet in August, it will also be put on EWR/LHR and on a few HKG flights in September.
54 LY777 : Does LY display the new 772s in their timetable? Will they have a different code from the "old" 777s?
55 Amirs : Not yet they will most proabably have 777 and 772 as codes.
56 JFK69 : Are the new aircrafts going to be named?
57 Amirs : 4x - ece - will be named after the city of SDOROT. That is the city being bombarded by hamas militants from Gaza. 4x - ecf - will be named after the
58 JFK69 : That is excellent news. I don't think they could have chosen better names. When the 767's go back or retire, what happens to those names?
59 JFK787NYC : I have heard from my friends who work in EL AL at JFK. That EL AL is trying to gear up to make Miami daily 777 Does anyone here think it will be possi
60 LY777 : I don't think that LY will ever order the 748, unfortunately. The priority is now to replace the 767s
61 A380US : Its actually a billion dollar quistion
62 Amirs : The 767 and 757 fleets dont have names, only the 737, 777 amd 744. I think: 744 ELA - Tel Aviv ELB - Haifa ELC - Beer Sheva ELD - Jerusalem 777 (thes
63 LY777 : no, ECB is called Negev IIRC They are going to order another 772? That's good news!
64 JFK69 : Correct, ECB is negev. I woiuld love for them name one Chevron.....really make a statement with it.
65 JFK787NYC : I do not know how LAX is doing on the profit side. I know that Miami is a very big route for them. I think the probably regret not starting it earlie
66 Post contains links Amirs : Sorry, thats right. LY currently has 3 weekly 777 flights and will have four this summer. There was recently an article in the paper that businessmen
67 LY777 : It would be great in the future if TLV-LAX would be served daily with a 788
68 IAD380 : As LY acquires more long-haul aircraft, I hope that it will explore the feasibility of starting flights to new destinations. In the recent past, LY se
69 JFK787NYC : I think EL AL should further extend there codeshare with American Airlines. They should codeshare on a ton a flights from Miami - South America. But,
70 El Al 001 : LAX is doing very good (especially in summer), the problem there is the huge capital cost of a sole 777 which costs a lot a month. MIA, although with
71 InbarD : It's great too see EL AL update/expand there small fleet. Those new business seats look pretty good![Edited 2007-06-14 08:13:53]
72 LXA340 : 1 more, and when would it be delivered? Regarding the 744 replacement in 5-10 years those planes slowly but sureley need to be considered to get reti
73 LY777 : excuse me, what is GDS?
74 Amirs : Those a/c are from early 1990's. With LY record, they might still use them til atleast 2015. I think they might be converted to cargo . I recently he
75 LXA340 : With EL AL you never know what is going on, remember there was once some strategic plan called "EL AL2010" that included to replace the entire B767 f
76 LY777 : You are right, a 772 can't replace a 744. As for the 773(non-ER), I think LY won't order them, it doesn't have enough range to reach LAX, or MIA, I th
77 Amirs : you dont need it to reach LAX and MIA, they have 762ER (hopefully 787 in the future) and 772ER to do that. The non ER 773 can replace the 744, right
78 LY777 : But maybe the 77W has better economics than the 773
79 Stitch : Just a note that the 777 left the factory last night and is now in front of the paint-shop when I drove by this morning.
80 Post contains images Amirs : Any first pics? These are the seats without all the extra ameneties, jus prototypes.
81 Amirs : Matt Cawby's photos doesnt have the LY bird yet in his pics of PAE.
82 LXA340 : Seats looks simmilar to the ones in C Class of the 772's of KL, no? Does anybody know which IFE system LY chose, is it the one from Masushita and will
83 Post contains images Amirs : I dont know what KLM has, but these are similiar to SA, IB and AY.
84 Post contains images Amirs : Rudder is painted and it will start being tested as BOE566. According to Flightaware it hasnt started testing yet. Its been updated, the first flight
85 LY777 : A shame they won't fly to CDG!!!
86 LXA340 : Don't worry, once the two planes will be fully integrated to the daily fleet operations they will be used to more destinations in a more random selec
87 LY777 : I don't know, but I hope that te 744 will have new seats also in Y
88 El Al 001 : Well, not exactly. Rumors at LY mentioned that the 2 new 777s have lower MTOW than rest of the fleet and wont be able going to LAX. As a result, LY w
89 Amirs : So the two 777 with the more comfortable Y class seat and better entertainment will not be available for the longer haul flights?!?!?!?! Thats stupid
90 Post contains images LXA340 : What's wrong with this airline, those seats are 13 years old and are falling apart. How do they want to build up their reputation and become a premiu
91 El Al 001 : It saves a lot of money. For reduced MTOW the airline pays less, but, it does not mean that the specs are different. I think, but im not sure, that L
92 LY777 : LY 4X-ECE will come to CDG for the first time on August 20th!!! BTW, will ECE and ECF have mood lights?
93 Amirs : Yeah i think EL AL 001 is right, I think its all a matter of certification. LY can always have the MTOW raised if they pay for it. But still - i think
94 LY777 : I hope so, too. They need 10 of them (probably a mix of -8 et -9)
95 JFK69 : Any pics of the new bird yet in Everett?
96 LY777 : Noy yet, but do you know if the plane will have the new El Al logo?
97 CaptainJon : What is the new El Al logo...Haven't seen it yet.
98 Post contains links LY777 : here it is, it is a slight change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NewElAlLogo.JPG
99 Post contains images TodaReisinger : The "new" logo is a simply a totally disfigured version of El Al's historical and well known logo created in 1971. The airline, which is painfully su
100 CaptainJon : Yuck! Ugly colour change. Don't know if it's the Wikipedia image itself, but I like the old logo much better. Not at all...I guess I'm too young... A
101 Shlomoz : Now I have my issues with the Matmid FF program and in particular their upgrading policy (prefering class over status), however, I beg to differ on m
102 LY777 : I do agree with you; LY is still a good airline; they just need to modernize their fleet and it will be OK; the FAs are 95% of the time very friendly
103 LXA340 : The crews on LY are usually not the problem, but improving their image from creating a logo is imposbile. Their core problem is that they have an old
104 Post contains links and images Amirs : 4x-ece started testing yeaterday ... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE566 You vcan see the a/c in Paine field 3 from left : pic for MATT cawby in
105 Post contains images CaptainJon : Ha ha! No it wasn't last time I flew LY was in 2001. I flew CO since I get my miles with them now. I was just comparing LY and CO experience. I wasn'
106 LY777 : Will the a/c have mood lights and an outside camera video (like AF on the 77W, for example)?
107 Post contains links Amirs : I just started a new Master Thread for the two new 772. I will ask the moderator to close this thread. New LY 772ER Master Thread (4X-ECE And ECF) (by
108 PanAm_DC10 : Please refer to the thread that Amirs has linked in reply 107. Thank you.
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