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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 1002 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

LOT of Poland is soon to order either the B777 or A330/ 340 as a replacement for the 762s and 763s they currently operate. As LOT operates an all boeing fleet now, I think they`ll get the 772. Any thoughts or rumors are welcome...
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User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

I bet they will go 777 for fleet commonality.
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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

My guess is 777s also - two for its busiest routes, but in the (slightly) longer term, it needs to replace its earliest 767s (now 10 years old) and since it already has 737-800s on order, I think the 767-400ER has a very good chance here.

Also, when it gets its 777s, I think it should consider a livery change; the current livery dates right back to the Tupolev and Ilyushin days of the 70s and 80s.


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1398 times:

I think A330-200 and a A340-200. Because LOTs closest partners SR and SN operate them in large numbers.

Avion


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Just because an airline's partner operates an aircraft type in no way means it will select the same planes,
Avion. How many A340's does UA operate compared
to LH?

I think LOT will go with the 772 because of its long
relationship with Boeing. However, the A330/A340
would be a suitable replacement for the 767's too.

You cannot achieve fleet commonality by operating
737's alongside 777's. Fleet commonality really only
refers to common ratings. Pilots who fly 737's are
not necessarily certified to fly 777's. These are two
different aircraft.

Common rating type is the advantage of Airbus
jets, which all have similar cockpits.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

I thought I read somewhere that LOT was interested in the 764 aircraft to update its fleet.

User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

I think the B777-200 will be too big for LOT, I think they will go for the 767-400.



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User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

ContinentalEWR:

LH doesnt own anything of UA while SR owns about 30% of LOT. So a standardisation on longhaul planes would make sense.

Avion


User currently offlineLuvflng From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

30% stake is not a guarantee for changing a long haul fleet to airbus.
Is Austrian going to force Lauda Air to be all Airbus?

I dnon't thinks so.

I've read in the latest Airways issue that LOT is open both ways to Airbus and to Boeing, but they were already looking at B772 and B764.

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User currently offlineFuture_Pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Really cool news, I would love to see an A330-200/A340 wearing the colors, although a 772 would be nice too.

p.s. where did you get the news?


User currently offline747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1324 times:

I also think they'll go for the 767-400. I doubt they'll go for the A330, as it is not the same as their 737's. I don't think they're big and rich enough yet to have a Boeing and Airbus fleet. I think airline's such as LH and AF can afford to have a mixed fleet, but not LOT.

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User currently offlineZander From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 610 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1324 times:

The 777-200 sounds a little too big for LOT so I think therefor the 767-400 is the most suitable!
And I don't think they go for Airbus.

A livery change is what LOT needs soon...I agree with you, Kaitak!

Alex


User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1319 times:

LOT will go for A330-200 0r 300. But if Boeing insists they will go for 767-400.
Same thing will happen to Malev and CSA. 777 is too big for all of them.


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1319 times:

Well Austrian will definitely force Lauda Air to go Airbus!

Also i think SR wont let LOT spoil the whole strategy. After all SR, SN, TAP and LTU have over 60 A330/340s in operation or on order.

Avion


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1315 times:

Although I agree with what ContinentalEWR said in response to my point - i.e. that the 738/G won't have commonality with the 777, there is sufficient commonality there in terms of cockpit design to make the transition between types relatively easy - and particularly between the 764 and 777; how long, I wonder, does/will it take DL crews to transfer between these types. Not more than 2 weeks, I'd imagine?

Also, bear in mind that even those airlines which have short and long haul Airbus 32X/330/340 types do not necessarily operate them with the same pool of pilots - for example, Lufthansa, Aer Lingus, Gulf Air, but when the time does come to transition - say from the right seat of a 330 to the left seat of a 32X - it's a relatively straightforward affair, from a type viewpoint (leaving aside the command course requirements).


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1310 times:

Why are they replacing their 767's anyway? Or are they keepeing them and just adding more planes to expand?

User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1308 times:

What strategy? Partners or not, each European carrier has its own individual operating requirements and challenges. SR isn't a sales agent for airbus, and it's to their advantage if LOT is equipped with the most cost-effective aircraft for its infrastructure.

The 764- I would LOVE that. LOT would, once again, be a trend-setter among not only former Warsaw Pact nations, but among all of Europe.

The 772- Check out the population of Poland, the growing economy of Poland, and the amount of Poles in the U.S. They could fill 744s...

The livery- I've always been partial to LOT's scheme. I'd reccomend keeping the body the same and revamping the tail design.

-Mark



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User currently offlineBodzio777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Lot will probably stay with Boeing and the 767. The 777 is a bit too big for them although I would love to see land in EWR in Lot colors. The Polish are very proud of their American aircraft and I cannot see them changing to Airbus.
I know that Poland wants to join the EU, to achieve this they may go for Airbus, and if Airbus offers them a deal like they did to Qantas (almost free) then Boeing is probably out. I hope that this does not happen.


User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Why are they getting rid of their 767's in the first place? 10 years is nothing that for an airplane.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

LOT is looking to replace all of their airplanes excluding the erj's and the ATR's(Eurolot) I read in an Article in Airliner World Magazine they are considering the A330/A32X As well as the 777/73NG. LOT could easily fill a 777 They used to lease MD-11's for the summer, and their Transatlantic loads are high all year long, They have virtually no competition and are the best way to get from anywhere to Eastern Europe. With the opening of the first Eastern European HUB in Warsaw LOT is becoming Qualiflyers biggest eastern European asset. So do'nt rule out the 777/A330. Further to that my guess is that they are going to go with airbus, and that will be due to swissair influence. They own 35 percent and that is the largest single holding in the company. The European Union is also an issue and it would look very good for Poland if they went with an all European fleet. According to the VP who was interviewed for the article, this is still a long term plan. So I wouldn't expect orders comming for a while yet.


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

I think LOT will most likely order the Boeing 777-200ER.

The reason is simple: there is a VERY large population of people of Polish descent living in the Chicago area and several cities across the northeastern USA. LOT needs a plane that can carry at least as much as the MD-11's they used to lease for summer operations, but has the range to fly from Chicago to Warsaw non-stop year-round.

That rules out the A340-300, since that plane has less carrying capacity than the 772ER. And that also rules out the A330 series, since the A330-200 has way less capacity than the 772ER and the A330-330 might be marginal for Chicago-Warsaw operations year-round in terms of range.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

I think LOT will go Boeing. Just because SAir owns 35 per cent of LOT, and in turn Swissair is going all-Airbus does not mean that they are Airbus's sales people. Also, does anyone realise the costs of switching manufacturers like that? It goes far beyond the cockpit! You have to re-train Flight Attendants on the new cabin features and safety equipment. You have to re-train the entire engineering department. You have to re-stock all engineering equipment, right down to the nuts and bolts, because Airbus and Boeing each have unique parts. It would cost LOT, and inturn SAir, millions (or billions) of zloty to undertake such a task. The advantages of an all-Airbus fleet in LOT's case would not outweigh the costs required to do all the training and preparation needed.

I think LOT will go for the 767-400ER, with options on 777s, because once Poland joins the EU, and Poles have more disposable income, travel to and from Poland is going to explode, and the present fleet of 767-200s and -300s are not going to be sufficient.

LH423



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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

You will have to re-train and re-equip everyone with 777'2/73NG's too, those planes are also drastically different. Different engines, computers, systems....I don't see that big a difference in getting one or the other.


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User currently offlineLOTVIRTUAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Hello guys. I follow LOT very close and I can tell you couple things about them. First of all they're too expensive. I know the're only airline that flies to Poland directly form US but their prices during summer and holiday season are very high. Lufthans offers much cheaper tickets with 2 hours stop over (they even offer discounts for students). So if LOT doesn't change their strategy before Open Sky Agreement in Poland with UE they will have to consider other airlines (especially from Europe) to be their enemy. Lufthansa is one of them and DL & CO will go right there and maybe AA. Delta used to fly to Warsaw and I saw many people going on it's flight. I know they stoped the route. I don't know why. But if LOT can fill 777 on all of it's long haul routes than they'll be alright. 767-400 seems to be their best choice, especially after they went with it to Warsaw on their World Tour. LOT management loved it. I know LOT has 777 on option (maybe somebody from Boeing can confirm that) and they can change it to 767. Their 767 fleet is fine. Just SP-LOA is little old but it does fine. 737 pilots don't fly 767. 767 in LOT is something very exclusive and only top pilots get to fly it. Plus it pays the most. I would love to see 777 in LOT's livery and I think they will stay with Boeing (pilots love to fly it and even SR management doesn't see anything wrong with LOT's planes). You can't compare Austrian & Lauda to Lot & SwissAir. These two airlines don't compete at the same hub. 767-400 is good airplane for them and since they don't have routes long enough and ones that generate enough money I don't think they need anything bigger.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Is there really a LOT Virtual Airline?? If so whats the www address?


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
25 LOTVIRTUAL : Regarding LOT Virtual. Go to www.skrzydla.com/fscenter - it's a polish flight simulator site and there is a link for Lot Virtual. Have fun.
26 Avion : I think LOT will order a mix of A340-500. -300s and maybe some A330s. Maybe even the -600 for the route to chicago. Avion
27 CO 767-400 : Dream On. Never in your life
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