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Qatar To Buy 150 Planes By 2015  
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9384 times:

Article in the Gulf Times suggests that QR will purchase 150 aircraft between now and 2015.

Quote:

Dubai: Qatar Airways, the biggest customer for Airbus new A350 airliner, may buy a more-than-expected 150 planes by 2015, seeking to mitigate delays in the delivery of aircraft already ordered.
“We wanted 110 by 2015 but we also may go for more, maybe 150, because the existing ones will be ageing by the time we receive the new ones,” Qatar Airways general manager Ali al-Rais said in an interview yesterday in Dubai. He declined to say what models the airliner may order.



Quote:
The airline will announce the [A350] order at the Paris Airshow in June, al-Rais said.

Very interesting, but what options have they for the 150 breakdown?

A350 80
777 20
A380 ?

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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Seems like QR really wants to equal EK.
Good for passengers if the region can sustain such fast growing mega carriers.

I read somewhere (in A-net I think) that QR plans a stake in Airbus.
Could we expect a sweet deal for A350's and A380's soon?


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):

IMO QR is the Airline with the best future in the Middle East , very good service and they seem very professional .

EK&EY are getting worse with time , but QR is getting better and better !


Konstantin


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

This is good to hear, I really hope they sign the A350 at Paris.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time , but QR is getting better and better !

QR look like a great airline and EK seems like old news to many but EY look great to me, the service on their A340s and 777s is said to be fantastic and many of my friends who have flown EY were very impressed.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
Very interesting, but what options have they for the 150 breakdown?

80 A350s
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more. I suspect that the remaining 40 will be a mix of A330s and A380s. No extra 777s IMO, because the A350XWB's QR intends to order would include 20 A350-1000XWBs.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8940 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time , but QR is getting better and better !

I've never flown on any of them  Sad but that's what I've been told too. EK aren't what they were but QR are outstanding.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time

What exactly do you mean by that?

Financially EK had an net profit of AED 3456 last year, up from AED 2942 the year before.
http://speedera.emirates.com/www.emi...nrep06-07/pdf/FinStats_EKGroup.pdf

Traffic was up from 14.5 mill to 17.5 mill during the same time.
http://speedera.emirates.com/www.emi....com/anrep06-07/pdf/OpStats_EK.pdf

Can you backup the claims that EK is getting worse and worse? Do you mean service wise?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
EK&EY are getting worse with time


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8868 times:

EK are by no means a bad airline or getting worse as such but from what I have heard form friends and family who have flown EK recently they have all said compared to other Middle Eastern carriers EK is no longer the best and they would prefer EY. I was on EK last year and I loved it, I thought the service was great but from what I have seen EY look like they are improving all the time and the product looks great!


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8848 times:

As economy class goes, that Etihad A340-500 cabin is fantastic.

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8766 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
80 A350s
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more. I suspect that the remaining 40 will be a mix of A330s and A380s. No extra 777s IMO, because the A350XWB's QR intends to order would include 20 A350-1000XWBs.

If the A350XWB is pushed back another year or two, the 1000s won't be showing up until 2016 to 2017 possibly. If they want additional 350pax aircraft around 2012, they will certainly buy 777s.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8744 times:
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Well for sure they will be adding at least two more A388s (their options) and probably more on top of that.

And as Atmx2000 noted, it is likely QR and EK will be adding more 773ERs and 772LRs to tide them over if the A359R and A3510 are pushed back to the latter half of the 2010s.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8718 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 9):
If the A350XWB is pushed back another year or two, the 1000s won't be showing up until 2016 to 2017 possibly. If they want additional 350pax aircraft around 2012, they will certainly buy 777s.

The article says they will buy 150 by 2015. I cant see them wanting more 777s if they only need them for 3 years.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 1):
I read somewhere (in A-net I think) that QR plans a stake in Airbus.

Not QR but the state of Qatar was looking for peace of Airbus. I think it was something like 20 billion dollars they wanted to invest.

Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):
Financially EK had an net profit of AED 3456 last year, up from AED 2942 the year before.

So that is not a lot Big grin you sure this figures are correct?


User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
A350 80
777 20
A380 ?

A350 - 80
777 - 20
A380 - 50 Big grin

Seriously though

I can see the A350 and the 777 order. What about more A320 family aircraft for short/medium-haul?

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
According to Mr. J Wallace from the SPI, the UFO for 30 787s is QR's.
If the above is correct, that leaves 40 more.

If QR go for 80 A350 (which will probably be in the full product range -800,-900 and -1000, I certainly don't think they will need 30 787's.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinePhilzh From Switzerland, joined May 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12):
So that is not a lot  you sure this figures are correct?

It's true that one would somehow expect slightly more profit, to pay for all those A380s and whatever else EK is currently buying, about to buy, thinking of buying, or telling everyone they are about to buy  Silly

Like Shamrock, I flew with EK last year (ZRH DXB SYD CHC, AKL SYD BKK DXB ZRH) and was very positively impressed, especially at the very enthusiastic and relaxed service on board. Having been upgraded into business for the SYD BKK leg obviously did not dull this experience.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Quoting Philzh (Reply 14):
the very enthusiastic and relaxed service on board

That sounds like a contradiction to me  Wink


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 11):
The article says they will buy 150 by 2015. I cant see them wanting more 777s if they only need them for 3 years.

Presumably they would keep them for more than 3 years. 3 years is a fair amount of time to delay expansion or avoid replacing aircraft.



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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8343 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 13):
If QR go for 80 A350 (which will probably be in the full product range -800,-900 and -1000, I certainly don't think they will need 30 787's.

Nothing in the A350 family compares to the 787-8, 787-8 is smaller than any of the A350s, so if Qatar wants a smaller long range aircraft, 787-8 is in a class of its own.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8025 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 17):
Nothing in the A350 family compares to the 787-8

Actually, the A350-800 and 787-8 are comparable. The A350-800 sits in between the 787-8 and 787-9 in terms of capacity (realistically), but has less cargo volume than both. The A350-800 has a higher MTOW, probably reflective of its greater range.

787-8
Capacity 250
Range 7650m
LD3's 28
MTOW 220t

A350-800
Capacity 270
Range 8500m
LD3's 26
MTOW 245t

787-9
Capacity 290
Range 8000m
LD3's 36
MTOW 245t


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7994 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 6):

Can you backup the claims that EK is getting worse and worse? Do you mean service wise?

exactly , EY is still good , much better than any other Western Airline , but not as good as QR .

Konstantin


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7978 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 12):
So that is not a lot Big grin you sure this figures are correct?

 Cool
Sorry about that!
It's in Millions AED ofcourse!


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 18):
Actually, the A350-800 and 787-8 are comparable.

No, this has been discussed several times, and it has been established (even by Randy Baseler) to be the following:

787-8 : no competitor
787-9 : A350-800
787-10 : A350-900
777-200LR : A350-900R
777F : A350-900F
777-300ER : A350-1000


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7614 times:
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Randy says that because it's marketing spin. It doesn't help that Boeing uses formula X and Airbus uses formula Y when calculating capacities and X is less then Y.

The A358 is not much larger in terms of capacity (7.5%) then the 787-8, so both planes are going to be shopped by airlines looking to replace the smaller A330-200. And the 787-9 is essentially identical in available capacity to the A330-300 and A340-300 so the 787-9 is going to be replacing those two models in some fleets and even some 772ERs, as will the 6% larger A359.

[Edited 2007-05-28 19:42:52]

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 21):
(even by Randy Baseler) to be the following:

787-8 : no competitor

Ahh, Randy. A true magician when it comes to comparing aircraft.

Look at the figures. And then consider how they will relate to QR.

QR have 228, 238, and 260 seats on their A330's. So this would translate into the following....

.....QATAR AIRWAYS SEAT COUNTS FOR A332, 788, 789 & A358:

A332
3 class 228** 253* 90%^
3 class 238** 253* 94%^
2 class 260** 293* 88%^

788
3 class 225** 250* 90%^
3 class 235** 250* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

358
3 class 243** 270* 90%^
3 class 254** 270* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

789
3 class 261** 290* 90%^
3 class 273** 290* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

**Realistic QR Seat Count
*Manufacturers Typical Seat Count
^Qatars figure translated as a percentage of manufacturers figure

edit: error in calculations

[Edited 2007-05-28 20:03:36]

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 23):
788
3 class 189** 210* 90%^
3 class 197** 210* 94%^
2 class 220** 250* 88%^

358
3 class 243** 270* 90%^
3 class 254** 270* 94%^
2 class ???** ???* 88%^

789
3 class 225** 250* 90%^
3 class 235** 250* 94%^
2 class 255** 290* 88%^

I don't see your point. Your data shows that the seating capacities of the 787-9 and A350-800 are roughly 20 seats apart. The 787-8 is over 50 seats away from the A350-800.... which better supports my statement that the 787-8 has no competitor.


25 Scbriml : I think Mandy Rice-Davies would apply here! Randy would hardly count as an unbiased opinion would he? To claim that your competitor doesn't have a pl
26 EI321 : Thats because it was wrong, I assumed 8 abreast for the 787 and 9 abreast for the A350. Please see edited numbers.
27 Kaitak744 : Uh... No. The 787 is designed for 2-4-2 and will be used mostly in 2-4-2. Boeing's description of the 787: "an Ideal 767 / A300 replacement, which wi
28 DfwRevolution : The current trend shows about one third of customers choosing 8-abreast with two-thirds choosing 9-abreast. The majority of 787 customers are choosin
29 Atmx2000 : Since when was the manufacturers capacity on 787-8 quoted as 250? Boeing gives a range from 210-250 for 3 classes, that covers a range of configurati
30 Mptpa : $20B is a lot!! Considering how much BAE Systems got for their 20% stake, this could buy th entire Airbus for the State of Qatar!! But I am presuming
31 DAYflyer : The better cargo caoacity of the 787-9 will do for it what it did for the A-330 to the 767; this is a clear cut advantage, plus 20 more pax = more re
32 Post contains images Flysherwood : Are these for the CFRP paneled model or the one piece tube models?
33 EI321 : Boeing state that the 787s typical 3 class capacity is 210-250, which as you say ranges across different seat options, ie 8 abreast and 9 abreast. Th
34 Post contains images Flysherwood : Why are we arguing about the specs of the A350 vs. the 787? Haven't you heard? There is going to be a redesign of the A350 once again!!!
35 Post contains links and images OHLHD : Yes your are right. 20 Billion is to much. This fund on which wants a stake in EADS is looking for 10% of them and is actually sitting on 40Billion U
36 Post contains links Stitch : Well we now know where the first 80 are coming from - Qatar Airways Announce A350-XWB Order (by PanAm_DC10 May 30 2007 in Civil Aviation).
37 Post contains images Scbriml : To be pedantic, there are unconfirmed rumours of a "redesign" and delayed EIS. However, QR still be seem to be scheduled to receive the first of thei
38 Post contains images EI321 : Just who the hell do Qatar think they are? First they go for 80 A350s and then they have the cheek to telling us that deliverys will begin in 2013!
39 YOWza : if 150 is the number by 2015, with the 80 350s out of the way and the 20 777 plus likely another 20 does this mean 30 380s are on the cards? YOWza
40 Post contains links and images Manni : Hmmm... not sure http://www.eads.com/1024/en/pressdb/...20070530_airbus_a350xwb_qatar.html
41 Post contains images Flysherwood : So the French President is now involved in the signing of an Aircraft order for an airline? He must not have a lot of pressing things to do, like comp
42 Scbriml : If you read EADS PR, it states: So the deal was signed by QR and Airbus in the presence of the two Heads of State. I believe Bush was doing the same
43 Post contains images Stitch : At least a few Chinese orders have been signed when the President of the US was visiting Beijing or the Chinese Premier was visiting Washington DC. I
44 Post contains images EI321 : Presidential appearances do sometimes accompany massive orders and trade deals. They may be easier for the French President to justify from a practic
45 RJAF : Although I wish both Qatar and EK success...However, these monster orders are completely insane! Talk about what to do with huge budget surpluses....H
46 EI321 : Remember that in the case of QR these will likely replace their current fleet aswell, inc 20 the 777-300ER. As for Emirates, their 100 order will pot
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