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RG (GOL) 12 X B763 And 9 X B737-800  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13883 times:

As mentioned before, now it is confirmed, RG (which now is owned by GOL) will receive the following aircraft in 2007: 12 x B 767-300 ER 35 (C)/190(Y) pax and 9 x B737-800 175 pax.

PP-VPV Serie 24086 B767-300ER (CF6-80AC2B6F) will be the first one to be delivered in June/07 and will be used to operate RG/GOL's newest intercontinental route GIG-FRA daily nonstop.

==12 x B767-300 ER are as follows==

1 PP-VPV EuroAtlantic

2 PR-VAA AWAS

3 PR-VAB AWAS

4 PR-VAC Automatic

5 PR-VAD GECAS

6 PR-VAE ILFC

7 PR-VAF Guggenheim

8 PR-VAG AWAS

9 PR-VAH GECAS

10 PR-VAI GECAS

11 PR-VAJ AerCap

12 PR-VAK AerCap

The origin will be diverse: , Malev, Air Canada, Air China, LAN, etc.

==8 x B737-800 are as follows==

1 PR-VBA 29916 B737-800 Aircastle Winglet

2 PR-VBB 29917 B737-800 Aircastle Winglet

3 PR-VBC 29918 B737-800 Aircastle Winglet

4 PR-VBD 29919 B737-800 Aircastle Winglet

5 PR-VBE 29920 B737-800 Aircastle Winglet

6 PR-VBF 28403 B737-800 GECAS

7 PR-VBG 29103 B737-800 GECAS

8 PR-VBH 28578 B737-800 GECAS

9 PR-VBI 28575 B737-800 GECAS

In addition to GIG-FRA, RG/GOL will also start GRU-BOG daily B737-800 and GRU-CCS 6 x week B737-800, both to be operated with GOL aircraft and GOL crew and pilots.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13740 times:

The serial numbers for the 767 are:

1 PP-VPV 24086

2 PR-VAA 27909

3 PR-VAB 27477

4 PR-VAC 27048

5 PR-VAD 26204

6 PR-VAE 27619

7 PR-VAF 25132

8 PR-VAG 27376

9 PR-VAH 25208

10 PR-VAI 25221

11 PR-VAJ 24999

12 PR-VAK 24947


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13704 times:

Can't wait to see them back in Miami. Any word on if it will be MIA-GIG or MIA-GRU?


a.
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13683 times:

Its amazing that RG/GOL assembed a fleet of twelve 763ER aircraft so quickly........so often we hear about the limited availability of widebody aircraft on the second hand/leasing market.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13634 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
so often we hear about the limited availability of widebody aircraft on the second hand/leasing market.

A checkbook can often take care of that  Wink


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13587 times:

Something is not right here, MSN27048 is MALEV's HA-LHA and it is a 767-27GER, so this means they are getting a mixed fleet of 767's? -200ER's and -300ER's? I guess the need puts everything aside, it is still amazing how the second hand wide-body market is buzzing Big grin


Peet7G
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13587 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
ts amazing that RG/GOL assembed a fleet of twelve 763ER aircraft so quickly...

I assume GOL had to pay the price for being in such a hurry. Rumour has it that RG is not the only one operating 767 in the future... The eternal argument that a LCC should have standardised fleet doesn't apply anymore, I guess.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25381 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13459 times:

Great to see them get some planes, however talk about a bastard fleet.

A mix of PW and GE aircraft, both 4 door and 6 door versions, different max take off weights, and I'm sure other differences including avionics etc..

I hope RG/GOL atleast manages to configure the aircraft somewhat similarly so that the customer can enjoy a standardized product across the 767 fleet.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineSAOAP From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 170 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13460 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 5):

Only MSN 27048 is a 762 - the rest of the batch are 763. I wouldn't be too surprised if Varig actually brought additional wide bodies in the near future.

Cheers!

M.



"When it's dark enough, you can see the stars" - Charles A. Beard
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13427 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):
Great to see them get some planes, however talk about a bastard fleet.

Bastard fleet! LOL  laughing 

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 5):
767's? -200ER's and -300ER's

I guess they took what they could. I see only one 200ER, isn't it?


User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13095 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
PP-VPV Serie 24086 B767-300ER (CF6-80AC2B6F) will be the first one to be delivered in June/07 and will be used to operate RG/GOL's newest intercontinental route GIG-FRA daily nonstop.

Anyone know when will the rest of the 767's and 738's arrive?

Also, I noticed that RG has stopped flying to VIX again, can anyone confirm if this is temporary or if G3 will exclusively serve the route now.

Rgs,

Neo


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12051 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 5):
Something is not right here, MSN27048 is MALEV's HA-LHA and it is a 767-27GER, so this means they are getting a mixed fleet of 767's? -200ER's and -300ER's?

Out of the 12 x B767: 11 x B767-300ER and 1 x B767-200.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
A checkbook can often take care of that

GOL has the cash for it.

Quoting Neo (Reply 10):
Anyone know when will the rest of the 767's and 738's arrive?

All the B738 will arrive until the end of 2007, while 7 x B767 will arrive until the end of 2007 and the balance (5 x B767) will arrive in the first quarter of 2008. RG (GOL) is now rushing to resume its intercontinental operations.

There will be fierce long-haul competition in Brazil with RG back in shape. TAM and other foreign carriers have expanded considerably in Brazil, but now RG (GOL) wants its market back.

Rgs,


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11929 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
Its amazing that RG/GOL assembed a fleet of twelve 763ER aircraft so quickly........so often we hear about the limited availability of widebody aircraft on the second hand/leasing market.

767s are probably not the most-demanded planes. Some come from CA, which are probably replaced by those A332s they are getting the whole time. Used A330/340s or 777s would be way harder to get.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11905 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
767s are probably not the most-demanded planes

Still, giving current market demand it is indeed very difficult to find widebodies in the market. What GOL did was just amazing and you need plenty of cash available and credibility in the market.

Here is the list of future RG (GOL) B767s and their origin:

1 PP-VPV 24086 - (parked in GIG)

2 PR-VAA 27909 - Air China B-2495

3 PR-VAB 27477 - Air China B-2497

4 PR-VAC 27048 - Malev - 767-200ER HA-LHA

5 PR-VAD 26204 - XL Airways - G-VKNH

6 PR-VAE 27619 - bmi PH-MCV

7 PR-VAF 25132 - LAN CC-CIO

8 PR-VAG 27376 - Alitalia I-DEIB

9 PR-VAH 25208 - El Al 4X-EAJ

10 PR-VAI 25221 - Air Madagascar 5R-MFF

11 PR-VAJ 24999 - Air Canada C-GHPD

12 PR-VAK 24947 - Air Canada C-GGMX

Many happy landings to RG/GOL!

Rgs,


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11626 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
Still, giving current market demand it is indeed very difficult to find widebodies in the market. What GOL did was just amazing and you need plenty of cash available and credibility in the market.

Not with 767s. There are a lot of them stored in some deserts, including several -300ER versions. The market will probably be flooded with 767s when the 787 delivery starts.


User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11144 times:

How old are these planes.

I see they bought an El Al 767 arent they all like 25 years old?

Can someone tell me what is the price for a new 767-300ER


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11084 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
Not with 767s. There are a lot of them stored in some deserts, including several -300ER versions. The market will probably be flooded with 767s when the 787 delivery starts.

I expect that too. I can see RG gradually replacing the oldest and the PW-powered frames once that process starts. I suppose they also have to already start planning a new WB order, since the 767s they're receiving aren't that new.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11066 times:

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 15):
How old are these planes.

The B767s are from 1991, 1992, 1992 and 2000. Certainly no older than those used by DL or CO.

The B738 are all from 1998 and 1999, all less than 10 years of use.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSQ773 From Spain, joined Apr 2005, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

I wonder if a fllet of 763´s can compete ( in terms of quality, etc ) withm all those 340´s , 777, 744 on the Europe-Brazil market.

Unless the price is much cheaper, I would not fly on a 763 having the chance to fly on a 332, 777, ... All those 763 might look quite old...

rgds

SQ773


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10967 times:

Is Varig still planning to use these 763s to start LHR/CDG/FCO/MAD/JFK?

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3704 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 18):
Unless the price is much cheaper, I would not fly on a 763 having the chance to fly on a 332, 777, ... All those 763 might look quite old...

Yes, they're a bit old, but they will be probably revamped once RG/G3 catch their breath with all the expansion.

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 18):
Is Varig still planning to use these 763s to start LHR/CDG/FCO/MAD/JFK?

MIA and MEX as well.


User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10584 times:

Congratulations to RG nice to see a positive investment in airframes, I would see RG (GOL) placing orders for new frames within the next 12 months, when GOL started they had used B737s which have all but left the fleet with the aquisition of new airframes. Any new order would probably go to Boeing maybe B787 or B777 but time will tell. We have to think delivery slots with Boeing now are way ahead the B767's will fill the gap untl then. Hope we see an new paint scheme too, I guess its probable since it looks too much like VARIGLOG now.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30989 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10435 times:
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Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
767s are probably not the most-demanded planes.

Actually they - and all widebody models, for that matter - are seeing stronger demand and subsequent rents and values.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
Not with 767s. There are a lot of them stored in some deserts, including several -300ER versions.

Another story is availability of 767 in good technical condition which is limited.


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10292 times:

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 18):
Unless the price is much cheaper, I would not fly on a 763 having the chance to fly on a 332, 777, ... All those 763 might look quite old...

I would take a well maintained 767 any day over most 330/340, 747, A300 etc, etc... (I intentionally did not mention the 777  hearts  ...kill me for that)
...but for example having to choose between IB 340s or KL 330/747s/777s and LAN 767s or KQ 767s I would happily take the later ones.

What I am trying to say is if the planes are kept well and will get a refurbishment and state of the art interior... I don't think it would make a difference from a passenger side of view. We usually compare the 767s with the A330s, and I agree the A330 might be newer and more economical to operate, but there is no match in comfort to the 2-3-2 layout in ECO class from a passenger's side.



Peet7G
25 FCFONTESTORRES : Hello folks!!! I´m very happy with these news and really hope see VARIG dominating South-American Intercontinental flights!! Although Boeing 767-300E
26 MCOflyer : Congrats to RG on getting a new fleet. Hopefully these planes will be maintained better. Hunter
27 LipeGIG : MEX will be 738 thru MAO and/or BOG. We will see such order very soon but for delivery in 3 to 5 years because of the huge demand. I would believe th
28 VC10er : thats amazing news! i hope this means they will be back with star alliance and jfk too. how will they get all the interiors to match? or wont they?
29 Hardiwv : The first will be delivered in June/07 and will be used for the GIG-FRA daily nonstop operations. Rgs,
30 Dellatorre : Tell that to TAM and specially to the European & American airlines!!! RG will have to face tough competition for Premium pax, and that's what really
31 JJMNGR : To bring the 67´s are quite simple. The main problem is to bring all of them until 18JUN, when expire their authorization to operate routes not being
32 C010T3 : I heard that they weren't authorised by ANAC to use wetleased aircraft to run flights to MEX. But then again, even if they do use the 738, they will
33 Hardiwv : As I mentioned under another posts, many Europen destinations still have free slots. Ther only problem would apply to LHR, but then not even TAM woul
34 JJMNGR : Wet leases are forbidden in Brazil to all airlines. I think there is a difference between GOL/RG situation and TAM´s. They have to run fast to get ai
35 LipeGIG : What about TAM flying RG flights to LIS during the code-share in 2003/2004 ? Wet lease of foreign crew and planes is forbidden, but RG is about to we
36 JJMNGR : Next October, 02 A345 will join the fleet and expectation is to start FRA, just remembering there are other interest involved on this. German Governme
37 LipeGIG : ANAC last week announced that 2 available weekly frequencies will be offered and probably TAM will take them in order to try to get the other 3 from
38 Hardiwv : What does the German Government have to do with TAM possible operations in FRA? This is an exceptional phase in which Brazilian civil aviation is goi
39 TrijetsRMissed : Pretty amazing GOL was able to pull this off. So many other carriers have had trouble finding used 763ER's, of course that'll change once the 787 is i
40 SAOAP : Just a littlem something to add to the discussion: there's a very strong rumor here that Varig/Gol have an order for 15+15 787-900, not to mention the
41 TrijetsRMissed : Interesting, maybe the 763ER's will be a shorter interim solution than I thought!
42 C010T3 : I thought that was just for foreign wetleased aircrafts. As far as I know this rule exists just because of the Brazilian very restrictive labour law.
43 C010T3 : It's just been confirmed that RG will run MEX with G3 aircraft. ANAC refused at first, when RG tried to have the flights operated by an all-G3 crew, n
44 MCOflyer : In an earlier thread I recall seeing AC was sell some to RG. Are the 763ER that are coming from AC leased or owned? Hunter
45 C010T3 : Actually it's not 100% confirmed.
46 Bocajoe : There we go.... Good news for all VARIG fans (including myself). I get to go back to Brazil this year, but I'm waiting to fly VARIG (MIA-GRU-POA). It'
47 LipeGIG : 100% leased. You probably will fly RG again, but may be not thru GRU. RG plans are to grow domestic and connections thru GIG, including some non-stop
48 Mpdesa : I can hardly wait for Varig to return to JFK. I will purposely plan a trip to Brazil just to fly on them again. As an Ex RG employee, Varig holds a sp
49 AF022 : The engines are a hodge-podge: 24947 PW4000-4060 24999 PW4000-4060 25221 CF6-80C2B6F 25208 PW4000-4060 27376 CF6-80C2B6F 25132 CF6-80C2B6F 27619 PW40
50 LipeGIG : My self even more as they are looking for a GIG-JFK service ! With only 2 different engines in a short-term solution fleet, it's amazing ! VEM keep t
51 AF022 : I'm still a little puzzled why they would take a B762 when there are B763s on the market.
52 C010T3 : I guess it must GE-engined, since it is an ex-RG frame and they used to prefer GE, if I'm not mistaken.
53 N774UA : GE CF6-80C2B6F N774UA
54 Hardiwv : A Brazilian judge has just extended the deadline for RG/GOL to resume its operations to destinations which it has slots such as LHR, CDG, MEX, MXP, MI
55 Hardiwv : GOL's CEO also stated yesterday that the new deadline 11 November 2007 will be enough for RG to resume its long-haul operations to Europe and MEX. Wit
56 Dellatorre : Something tells me that the STF (Supreme Court) will have a different view on this subject. This decision was taken by a judge (Ayoub) who has been b
57 C010T3 : They would have to fight many battles before that. November would come and nothing would be decided. BRA can't even keep flying to their current dest
58 Dellatorre : No they wouldn't. This decision can be overruled in a matter of days... ANAC is an government agency and will appeal to a federal juristiction, such
59 Hardiwv : In an interview to a Brazilian newspaper GOL's CEO also stated that the priority of destinations to become operational until November are. 1. FRA 2. M
60 SAOAP : Varig holds a special place in a lot of peoples hearts - mine included - , employees and passengers alike. That's the main reason why I truly believe
61 LipeGIG : At least for this one they will run the 14x weekly flights they have rights to (with the new GIG-FRA service), and allowing TAM to run no more than 5
62 C010T3 : Well, give it a try then! I'm sure the ministers will be very amused, when a brand new law suit appears before them, not having followed the path thr
63 VC10er : everyone keeps saying GOL's idea is that VARIG will be their international premium product. however nobody seems to know what type of seats they are u
64 Hardiwv : As stated many times the B767s are just an interim solution so that RG could resume its international network. It needs to resume services in some ro
65 Dellatorre : So far I guess GOL+RG aren't really worried about that!!! They seem to be doing just fine when it comes to getting a little help from RIO's justice i
66 C010T3 : Come on, don't blame the State of Rio de Janeiro for ANAC's mistakes. If they are not competent enough to complete the route assignments, you might a
67 Dellatorre : I'm not blaming anyone!!! I just find quite interesting that these latest developments give me a sense of "deja vu" from last year. Concerning ANAC,
68 Hardiwv : I disagree. Constantino (GOL's CEO) is having a hell of a headache (and he himself confessed that to a newspaper) to keep up with the legal matters i
69 C010T3 : If you don't get it, it's because clearly you haven't read the judge's decision.
70 JJMNGR : My opinion is that VARIGOL will be far away for be a premium product. TAM has some homework to be done in terms of service, but no comparison. This ju
71 Dellatorre : Finally someone with some sense around here!!! For some reason, other frequent members tend to see this as something on ANAC's fault. I don't agree!!
72 C010T3 : Newsflash for you: Defamation is a crime. No special treatment was given. Have you read it?
73 JJMNGR : I am not defaming anything. It is my opinion and I am deeply sorry if you don't agree.
74 VbeltraJJ : This judge in Rio, as many other in Brazil are not serious about anything, talking about politics, economy and many other things. What nobody sees, in
75 Hardiwv : Which airline in Brazil could operate RG dormant frequencies to Europe before November??? No single airline. It is fair to grant VARIGOL an extension
76 C010T3 : Well, if you are saying that the judge deserves to go to jail, you are probably implying that he is corrupt. This is becoming a new kind of Red Scare
77 VbeltraJJ : I am not saying that they are improving anything more that the rights they have...but the rights Brazil has is not being used and that's where foreign
78 C010T3 : Can JJ start all frequencies that were left by RG tomorrow? Did JJ invest enough in the international expansion before TP got all those ex-bilateral
79 Hardiwv : No. No. No. As customary, JJ only becomes expands under pressure: now it is RG. I hope RG will bring some good degree of competition in the market. R
80 C010T3 : Thank you for backing me on this, Hardi. VbeltraJJ, I'm not saying that this whole situation is being conducted under "fairplay" rules, but you must
81 JJMNGR : Sorry folk, I will not enter into this with you. As I said it is my opinion and the same way you have yours and I respect, just pls do the same with
82 Dellatorre : We only tend to see what Don't worry!!! I kind have the same feeling!! These topics about RG are becoming very pointless anyways....It's always the s
83 Tonytifao : Why is RG so focused in FRA? Is there a large population of Brazilians there?
84 Neo : It was about time!!! You already are...
85 Rwy04LGA : Uhhhh....sorry to interrupt your arguments.....Some stupid questions from a Brazil-loving Canadian....Will this new carrier retain the Varig name or h
86 C010T3 : Above you see how the thread started. Above you see how JJMNGR does not consider Brazil a serious country. Above you see the turning point of the who
87 C010T3 : Well, I guess that started as a need to take the passengers to a point in Europe where they could easily connect, since RG was shutting down and was
88 JJMNGR : SSSSSHHHHHHHHHH........
89 VbeltraJJ : Just to get things clearer .. I never said that JJ should get all VRG frequencies to other european countries....there are BRA, Oceanair as well.....
90 LipeGIG : They will keep the rights on VARIG brand. They should begin their marketing (together) very soon, but they will be known as Gol/Varig, but with separ
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