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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Has anyone here ever had a strange itinerary generated through a website or by choice where you fly between 2 hubs/focus cities via an airline's "spoke." For example, flying MIA-TPA-DFW on AA or ATL-IND-JFK on DL. I know that non-revs sometimes have to use strange routings like this, but rarely do I see are airlines or travel websites like orbitz suggest such routings. The only other time I have seen this used is when passengers are stranded due to weather/maintenance and need special accomodations to get home. Once my family had to take DL from EYW-ATL-STL-JFK to get from Key West to NY because of a cancelled flight.

I only ask this because I was just looking from flights from ORD to DEN, and Orbitz was giving me the cheapest flights on UA but with connections in DSM and OMA. For example, I would fly ORD-DSM-DEN. With all of the nonstops from ORD to DEN, I couldn't figure out why they would want me to take up seats on multiple high CASM RJs. Also, I was leary to book these flights because 1. why the hell would I want to connect in DSM, 2. would the staff at DSM really connect my checked baggage? I question this because of the small amount of connecting pax they see.

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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Thread starter):
1. why the hell would I want to connect in DSM, 2. would the staff at DSM really connect my checked baggage?

1. Because it gets you where you are going.

2. No... they would be very confused by the fact that the tag said DEN instead of DSM so, after ruling out the possibility of a misprint, they would take your bags home with them and auction off your clothes or, barring that, donate the rest to goodwill.

Gee... you think they may very well know that there is another aircraft on the schedule that just happens to be going to DEN just like it does every single day? In OMA, we have 2 UA destinations... ORD and DEN. Each with 4 or 5 flights. Every single ground crew member knows that the planes come from and go to either ORD and DEN. So, when they see a tag that says "DEN", they are probably quite familiar with what to do with it. Wild guess.



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

i think AA.com will show a LGA-LAX via XNA 1st thing in the mornings!

I took a connection flight similar to this and since it was a regional jet, i just mentioned to one of the rampers upon deplaning to remind him that there would be a transfer bag going to such and such a flight.. I usually mention it to one of the guys that bring the carryons into the jetway,. or if no jetway, anyone on the ramp that is nearby!


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

I have seen that with Orbitz a lot.

Buddy went DEN-BUF and itinerary was DEN-TPA (FLL? somewhere in Florida) on 1st airline, then TPA-ATL-BUF on 2nd airline. Return was the same (BUF-ATL-TPA-DEN)


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 1):
2. No... they would be very confused by the fact that the tag said DEN instead of DSM so, after ruling out the possibility of a misprint, they would take your bags home with them and auction off your clothes or, barring that, donate the rest to goodwill.

Gee... you think they may very well know that there is another aircraft on the schedule that just happens to be going to DEN just like it does every single day? In OMA, we have 2 UA destinations... ORD and DEN. Each with 4 or 5 flights. Every single ground crew member knows that the planes come from and go to either ORD and DEN. So, when they see a tag that says "DEN", they are probably quite familiar with what to do with it. Wild guess.

Lol - I do enjoy a sarcastic response.

Years ago, I worked for YV in FMN, running YV, UAX, and HPX operations. It was not unheard of for us to get oddball connecting bags through there from time to time. (i.e. ABQ-FMN-DEN, or PHX-FMN-TEX, etc.). They'll know what to do with it....


User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Also, sometimes the connecting luggage is not "connecting" at all, if same plane is used.

But the original poster is right that non-revs are pretty attuned to making these kinds of routings. I know a woman who works for UA and loves going to Vegas from Chicago, but she is just as likely to go ORD-CID-DEN-LAS (moving on what is basically a straight line!) as she is to go nonstop ORD-LAS, given how fully booked the Ted and interhub flights are. Though I think now she is more into simply taking Southwest where she is more likely get a seat  Smile


User currently offlineDavid21487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Thread starter):
1. why the hell would I want to connect in DSM

Because it's apparently the cheapest way for you to get where you're ultimately going. That's what sites like orbitz.com do... It looks for the cheapest way for you to get where you're going and when it finds it, it goes to the top of the page. Sometimes it includes connections in traditionally non-connection cities and it sometimes includes two or more airlines in the same itinerary as well!

Quoting LGAtoIND (Thread starter):
2. would the staff at DSM really connect my checked baggage? I question this because of the small amount of connecting pax they see.

Your bags will be fine. The ramp agents know that DSM and DEN are not the same thing. Plus, your itenerary is shown on the bag tag, so they will know that you arrived in DSM and are making a connection. They'll simply drop your bags off at the plane that's going to DEN. I'm sure DSM has had connections before.  Wink



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Thread starter):
Has anyone here ever had a strange itinerary generated through a website or by choice where you fly between 2 hubs/focus cities via an airline's "spoke."

I once had continental.com offer me IAH-RDU-EWR for one leg of a trip. It was kind of tempting since RDU used to be my home airport, but it was actually slightly more expensive than just going IAH-EWR, and it would have meant two ERJ flights vs. one 762 flight, so I didn't book it.

I once spoke to a man in the airport who was flying DEN-SMF-SFO. His complete itinerary was actually IND-DEN-SMF-SFO-CEC.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21865 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

I've done GFK-MSP-GRR-DTW-EWR. Obviously, MSP and DTW are the big hubs, but GRR is kind of wierd.

FF flights can do some strange things.

-Mir



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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

CO reward flights often book me via a "spoke" airport. I have had no trouble with the bags though I have never taken a quick 20 min connection (which are sometimes shown) I take at least 40 mins just incase. Never had a problem with it. Twice I had others connecting with me in OKC for IAH-EWR to hit a Europe flight and once in IND for the same. I don't argue if my schedule permits. Just my experiance though.

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User currently offlineDSMflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Thread starter):
1. why the hell would I want to connect in DSM

Because it's cheaper, and because chances are you'll arrive and leave at the same gate, or at the very least, a gate within 15-20 feet of where you first came in.

Quoting LGAtoIND (Thread starter):
2. would the staff at DSM really connect my checked baggage? I question this because of the small amount of connecting pax they see.

Despite what you may have heard, fancy book-learnin' has in fact made its way to Des Moines, and most of its residents now know their ABCs. Some of our more esteemed citizens can even differentiate between DSM and DEN. Shocking, but true.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

I once flew DFW-CHS-JFK JFK-GSO-DFW on DL (DL connection)

In september I'm booked on CLT-CLE-MSP MSP-MDW-DTW-MEM-CLT (I got that for $208 all in)



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

I've had a few IAH-ATL-EWR routings with a much lower price than the IAH-EWR non stops but that was some time back. Also the often over looked GSO-EWR-IAH trip when the IAH non stop had already left and this got me home earlier.

Those 2 particular routes were from the websites own doing, but I do know on CO you can request multiple destinations and at times route yourself in weird ways to HUB cities if you really want the extra segments and such!  Smile



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User currently offlineAltairF28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

When TPA had the Super Bowl in January 2001 I was working airport welcome for the organizing committee and saw a US Express DH8 from PBI come in with almost all Giants fans (this was when US still flew here nonstop from LGA).

I once flew LGA-RIC-CLT on US back when both routes were mainline. Different aircraft, can't remember if it was the same gate or not.



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting DSMflyer (Reply 10):
Despite what you may have heard, fancy book-learnin' has in fact made its way to Des Moines, and most of its residents now know their ABCs. Some of our more esteemed citizens can even differentiate between DSM and DEN. Shocking, but true.

Since my bags seem to get lost somewhat regularly when flying nonstops or when connecting through main hubs like ATL or DTW, no I do not trust rampers or airlines in general to get my bags connected in smaller obscure cities that see 99.9% of bags terminate there. For example, why wouldn't it be easy for Joe Ramper in DSM to throw my DEN bag into the cart going to baggage claim because the last 5000 bags he has seen come off planes all have said DSM, and he just might get complacent and either not check or not give a crap because he/she is making 9 bucks an hour and working in the blistering heat? I'm sorry Des Moines residents, but I just don't have the confidence in the briliant airline personnel in these cities that you do.


User currently offlineUnitedFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2501 times:

I wonder if MFR or EUG ever see connecting traffic.....

User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2484 times:

Once I had to travel from MCO to LAX on the same day but no flights were avaliable, so UA set me up on these track

MCO-ORD-DEN-SFO-LAX for 154.00 dollars one-way.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21865 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2481 times:

Quoting AltairF28 (Reply 13):
When TPA had the Super Bowl in January 2001 I was working airport welcome for the organizing committee and saw a US Express DH8 from PBI come in with almost all Giants fans (this was when US still flew here nonstop from LGA).

Are you sure they weren't Giants fans from the PBI area? There are a lot of transplanted New Yorkers down there.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2392 times:
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I had nwa.com route me MSP-MKE-DTW-BHM once. Didn't buy it, but if I was buying and not just checking, I probably would have  Smile


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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

For IAD to LAX on UA, the routing IAD-LAS-LAX (on Ted) often shows up as cheaper than the non-stop flights.


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

I've connected through MDT, RIC, DCA, SYR, LGA, TRI and ORF and BWI on US.

User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
MCO-ORD-DEN-SFO-LAX for 154.00 dollars one-way.

Wow... that's sweet! As long as you have the time to kill, why not tour UA hubs on the way? Big grin



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User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 16):
MCO-ORD-DEN-SFO-LAX for 154.00 dollars one-way

If you got to MCO (or even ORD) and the UA flight to LAX had open seats, would UA let you stand by for that flight, or would they still make you tour their hubs?


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

I once did STL-DAY-EWR-MUC on TW. All on the same a/c, even. Of course this was part of a large group, so they may have upgraded the equipment for us?

User currently offlineMcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

My son and I once travelled ORD-LNK-DEN. The equipment was an Air Wisconsin 146 ORD-LNK and a Skywest CRJ LNK-DEN. This was a trip in midsummer, booked fairly close to the travel date. This connection was the cheapest alternative offered by United.com.

The interesting thing was when we were waiting on the second flight in LNK it was pretty obvious that there were 10 (or so) other folks travelling the same itinerary. I asked the gate if this was unusual and she said "no, we see it almost every day".


25 DeltAirlines : I've done GSO-ATL-PHX-SLC-LAX before. ATL and SLC of course are Delta hubs, but PHX at the time had only flights to ATL, CVG and SLC, so not many conn
26 JettaKnight : Although I've never flown it, I've had several instances where the YX website has proposed MCI-FLL-MKE. I was tempted to book it one winter day so I c
27 FlyingNanook : I've flown ANC-JNU-SEA, and LAX-RNO-SEA on AS thanks to the joy of award tickets. I had several hours in Juneau so I left the airport to visit a frien
28 Post contains links InnocuousFox : That's funny! In the passenger itinerary algorithm I wrote for Airline Traffic Manager, I excluded things like this where one leg takes you more than
29 EXAAUADL : I think this is where youre most likely to get an odd connection
30 Planeguy727 : I have done PHL-BGM-SYR - same aircraft but different flight number on US LHR-JFK-RDU-MCO on AA SYR-ROC-ATL on DL PHL-ROC-SYR on US LGA-BOS-IAD on US/
31 Altairf28 : Some of them might have been but we were at baggage claim and I saw several tags listing connections from the LGA-PBI flight. Wouldn't that have been
32 Planeguy727 : oh - I forgot DCA-PBI-TPA on US for my colleague it was his first time in PBI and he described it as like changing planes in an episode of the golden
33 Norjet : Heading to China in a couple weeks to adopt our daughter -- since we're from Minneapolis of course NWA gets our business (plus, they can get us into P
34 Cubsrule : Small airports are actually better. If Joe Ramper screws up and the bag winds up on the belt, you might even have a baggage service person run it thr
35 IPFreely : I fly out of DSM a lot and your biggest worry isn't getting your bag connected, it's getting you to DSM and then to DEN. The number of UAX flight tha
36 Ken777 : I think that one is because Wal-Mart has their headquarters in the area. TUL gets Wal-Mart traffic also. Personally, I was happy to take just about a
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