FLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4737 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5): No, it isn't. Too much capacity on too thin a route
You know a number of people said that when new routes were launched such as SAT-SMF, SAT-ONT, SAN-TUL, SAN-OMA, COS-SMF, GEG-ONT, all by a certain upstart airline just about a month or so ago. And now look at what has happened!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31803 posts, RR: 72 Reply 12, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4724 times:
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11):
In addition the Wichita and surrounding area has a population of 618,641 people.
How is that a large population? Tampa has 2.7M people, and they only have two daily flights to LAX.
Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 11): You know a number of people said that when new routes were launched such as SAT-SMF, SAT-ONT, SAN-TUL, SAN-OMA, COS-SMF, GEG-ONT, all by a certain upstart airline just about a month or so ago. And now look at what has happened! laughing
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 7071 posts, RR: 25 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
Well let the pissing contest begin.
Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 18): Correct, XE is bearing the costs and losses associated with the recent LAX routes. However, don't expect UA to sit back and watch DL intrude in their hub - witness the recent LAX-HKG and LAX-ICT adds.
It is incredably appearant that UA is trying to beef up its precense at LAX just because DL is tying to build its precence there. I dont even think that UA would have restarted LAX-HKG had DL not been interested in it. Same goes with LAX-ICT. My worry is that they are going to go crazy on certain makets and flood them with overcapacity and then they both shut down.
My money is on UA simply because they already have a very loyal following here, much larger than DL. But I wish DL the best of luck. UA is appearantly ready to fight.
DFW Fan Boy: Im crude, irreverent, and blunt, but Im not clueless. I offer no apologies.
Big swing? More like a bunt...ATL-LAX would've been a big swing.
Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 10): Still not sure, at this point, why DL is basing a big part of their post-bankrupty success plan on a getting int a pissing match with UA, AA, WN etc at LAX.
No airline has a lock on LAX...LAX is a huge market...DL has a large number of FF accounts in southern CA...a lot of DL's FFs in other markets go to southern CA...DL doesn't have a convenient way of transfering passengers from the western half of the U.S. to Mexico/Pacific markets (SLC is not an option due to low O&D)...most of DL's new service into LAX is through a Connection carrier...DL has available gate space they would like to retain...oh, and the airline industry is highly competitive, so let the pissing begin...
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22): It is incredably appearant that UA is trying to beef up its precense at LAX just because DL is tying to build its precence there. I dont even think that UA would have restarted LAX-HKG had DL not been interested in it.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23540 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3872 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22): I dont even think that UA would have restarted LAX-HKG had DL not been interested in it
If not for the IAD-PEK, LAX-HKG was slatted to start during the first half of '06. With the DOT China award its start up had to be postponed as the fleet was juggled further in-time for the winter schedule.
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25 AADC10: It may be that UAX has the flight partially to serve the UA benefits processing office in Wichita.
26 LAXdude1023: UA always trips me out with SFO and LAX. There are certain markets that LAX has flights to that SFO does not. MSY, ICT, OKC, etc. SFO is their prefere
27 AznCSA4QF744ER: That was quick, we only got notice of that service a few days ago. UAX needs LAX-AUS route. LAXOKC as been doing very well, rumor has it's going doubl
28 FreequentFlier: Pretty simple actually, look at the geography of OKC, MSY and ICT - they're all in the south and thus don't steal much traffic that would be flowing
29 DL777LAX: Interesting move on UA's part. The Los Angeles area is a large and diverse region, and several people are loyal to several different airlines. Lets se
30 FreequentFlier: Well according to another topic, it looks like DL added LAX-OKC nonstop now too to compete against UA's existing serivce. Wonder how UA will respond,
31 HVNandrew: Maybe now UA will start LAX-ATL service... and DL will stick an OH CRJ on ORD-LAX again.
32 DL777LAX: Like I said, let the bloodbath begin. This is DL reacting to UA's announcement to LAX-ICT. DL and UA will not be friendly with each other, to say the
33 HVNandrew: OH actually flew ORD-LAX, I believe with a CR7, back in 2000.
34 UnitedTristar: I don't think so! This has not been a DL route for at least the last 25 years -m [Edited 2007-06-01 00:55:50]
35 WorldTraveler: yes no.... the former ASA LAX-Mexico routes and the domestic feed to support them (using the same aircraft) are "at risk" for DL. The rest which have
36 LAXdude1023: Dont wouldnt bet money on it. One thing that UA does have is a much larger FF loyalty in LA. DL definately does not. No doubt that DL will put up a f
37 LAXdude1023: Sorry, Gramactical error. I meant to say Dont bet money on it.
38 AznCSA4QF744ER: Comair flew that route back when? Hummm, strange I thought the CR7 didn’t enter revenue service until after 2002. I’m pretty sure a CR2 can fly O
39 LAXdude1023: This might not be bad if UA could time the flight to coencide with its SYD flights.
40 FLYGUY767: This is going to play out very interesting in the long run. There have been a lot of people pissed off over the recent years with United Airlines and