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User currently offlineUncGSO From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10224 times:

If you believe the SX website, then it looks as if San Diego, Hartford (Chicopee, MA), and Jacksonville/Daytona Beach (St. Augustine) are next for Skybus. I wonder if all flights will still be to/from CMH exclusively or if they will start "connecting the dots" soon.

Check out the Skybus destinations webpage here:
http://ask.skybus.com/info/destinations.shtml

[Edited 2007-05-30 12:15:29]

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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10153 times:

Quoting UncGSO (Thread starter):
Jacksonville/Daytona Beach (St. Augustine)

SGJ has no facilities to accomodate an airline

Quoting UncGSO (Thread starter):
Hartford (Chicopee, MA)

CEF has no facilities to accomodate an airline


How are they planning on pulling this off?


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3161 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10153 times:

Looking at their website, these are all from/to CMH.

If they follow indeed the Ryanair model, they will only operate flights from/to their base(s). This is one of the key aspects of the ultra LCC model, the simplicity of only flying from and to your base. By doing this, for example, you never need to put any of your crew in hotels as everyone starts and returns from your base.


User currently offlineMawelsh From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10071 times:

Article in the Dispatch this morning

http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/con...2.ART_ART_05-30-07_C8_4F6S1V5.html

But....I don't see these routes on their website yet. They were supposed to be selling at 6am.


User currently offlineCOFanNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10018 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 1):
CEF has no facilities to accomodate an airline

http://www.wmass-arptcef.com/westop1.html

Looks like they have everything at Westover Airport that you would need....except an airline.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9998 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
If they follow indeed the Ryanair model, they will only operate flights from/to their base(s).

Dont you maen the EasyJet model. I had to do a double take when I saw their livery. Its EasyJet in disguise!!


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9982 times:

St. Augustine sounds interesting, but where will they park?

User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9982 times:

I sure as heck hope they get at least another a/c in the next few weeks (maybe by Friday when I go to PSM)!

User currently offlineCitrusCritter From Pitcairn Islands, joined May 2007, 1093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9966 times:

Future Skybus Route Map (by Gregarious119 May 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)

It was established in that thread that St. Augustine (SGJ) will be a destination. There are links to the local paper where it was reported that St. John's County will put forward money to build a terminal. SGJ seems over the top, as I pointed out in another thread, but it fits with their model. In fact, it's mildly innovative, as JAX is inconvenient for anyone living south/east of the St. John's River.



TLH
User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

OOO! http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/SKB looks like they DID get their third bird!  Silly My wish is their command..... Skybus you need online flight status!

User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9931 times:

Tickets officially on sale...http://www.skybus.com

SGJ, SAN and CEF.

tickets are already 50 bucks on some flights to SAN.

Quoting Mnevans (Reply 7):
I sure as heck hope they get at least another a/c in the next few weeks (maybe by Friday when I go to PSM)!

They have 3 planes online at the moment, And before service starts to OAK June 12th...they will have another.


User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 10):
They have 3 planes online at the moment, And before service starts to OAK June 12th...they will have another.

That's very good to hear! From what the article said (The Dispatch is somewhat biased), they seem to be doing ok, maybe there's hope after all.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9869 times:

Quoting Mnevans (Reply 11):
That's very good to hear! From what the article said (The Dispatch is somewhat biased), they seem to be doing ok, maybe there's hope after all.

The reason the Dispatch is somewhat bias is they gave Skybus start up money.

From what I hear and see here, they seem to be doing reasonably well.

Skybus is being pretty secretive with their Destinations, and at this rate, wouldn't be surprised to hear of additional routes by mid-summer


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9813 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
Skybus is being pretty secretive with their Destinations, and at this rate, wouldn't be surprised to hear of additional routes by mid-summer

As well they should be. It is a very competitive market. And with 65 planes on order, they must have many destinations in mind.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
The reason the Dispatch is somewhat bias is they gave Skybus start up money.

Yes, the Dispatch is clearly bias, but so what? They are a good source of information. They are acting as SX's PR department.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3161 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
Dont you maen the EasyJet model. I had to do a double take when I saw their livery. Its EasyJet in disguise!!

I could also say the easyJet model indeed, as the network-design strategies of easyJet and Ryanair are of course very similar. However, I named it Ryanair model as there are ex-Ryanair people in the board of directors.


User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

I'm not at all discrediting their info, I just think it has a different spin then it would normally from a media company that doesn't have an interest in the story they are reporting on. I don't fault them for that, it's exactly what I would do, just pointing out a point.

User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9783 times:

Does anyone have any news about the on board sales pitch we heard so much about? I'd be interested to know if they're actually doing this, and if so, how is it going over on the passengers.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5352 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 10):
tickets are already 50 bucks on some flights to SAN.

I'm pleased they have announced SAN already -- certainly a sensible (year 'round) destination for SX and the times are not too bad (CMH flight arrives at Lindbergh at ~ 11am with a :25 minute turn.) Starts apparently 7/16; it will be interesting to see where they will be located at the airport and if/when SAN.org announces anything about it.

I would think SAN would be a good candidate for P-2-P non-CMH service from the 'Bus; e.g., service to BLI and even FLL (since nobody else has started any MIA or FLL service from SAN) and PSM or CFE...

bb


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9659 times:

Maxton, NC? Goodyear, AZ? Marana, AZ? Mohave, CA?  duck 

User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9634 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
I would think SAN would be a good candidate for P-2-P non-CMH service from the 'Bus; e.g., service to BLI and even FLL (since nobody else has started any MIA or FLL service from SAN) and PSM or CFE...

After doing the O&D analysis, a few months ago...(i'll do it again after work)...

It seemed that SEA, SFO, and SAN were three of the destinations that were not currently served nonstop out of Columbus, before that it was LAX....all are now being served by Skybus.

It will be interesting to see what they go for next, I see some international destinations and NYC and CHI on the horizon.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9620 times:

Im going to put $$ on TTN, PIE, ILG

other maybe's Goodyear, AZ (Phoenix), COS (denver), HVN (New Haven, CT..(NYC suburbs), perhaps LAL to cover both MCO and TPA....



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

Suprised it didnt leak sooner, look at the SGJ agenda from the other week... http://staugustineairport.com/pdf/Agenda.pdf


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9534 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
HVN (New Haven, CT..(NYC suburbs)

Wouldn't White Plains be better for the New York area?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 21):
Suprised it didnt leak sooner, look at the SGJ agenda from the other week...

Well...pretty opaque if you ask me. Yes, we know what Part 121 Service is, and while we could expect Skybus, it still doesn't entirely spill the beans. The line item could refer to efforts to obtain such service from anyone in the future.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9496 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 22):
Wouldn't White Plains be better for the New York area?

It would, but HVN doesnt have FL and B6 and would probably offer a much better deal!



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
25 Tbolt1 : Basically, they make announcement before they start selling items in flight along the lines of "today our feature item for sale is blah blah blah....
26 Tbolt1 : As I said in other posts of mine, it was obvious from their web site before the announcement because they were offering hotel discounts for St. Augus
27 Ikramerica : Rental cars? Thing about going to these cheep airports is that if they have rental facilities, there is maybe 1 company, and the costs are high. Save
28 BlueElephant : Even if there is Avis or Budget, Skybus is offering discounts to car rentals for their passengers. So you'll still spend money.
29 Richierich : CHICOPEE? For Hartford? Holy smokes - this airline is crazy! The ironic thing about Chicopee is that it is not much further from Boston than Portsmout
30 InTheSky74 : HPN is restricted by the number of customers through security during each 1/2 hour period. I think that all of the slots are currently filled in White
31 Gregarious119 : I'm thinking ABE or RDG won't be too far off...
32 RL757PVD : HVN had UA 737s to ORD back in the late 80's/early 90s' Pretty good catchment area from there too.
33 Humberside : Im surprised Skybus are ignoring the likes of the New York and Orlando areas, were the markets are larger than that to the Jacksonville area for examp
34 Post contains links FATFlyer : There was a pretty good ABC reporter's story of his flight along with his comments on the in-flight sales at: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Personal
35 Flybulldog : Luckily I managed to get $10.00 fares to SAN for a quick vacation for my wife and myself. I checked 5 minutes later and the fare had gone up to $50.00
36 MAH4546 : Not to mention that HPN probably doesn't want them and that HPN has caps on the number of passengers that can be flown per hour.
37 Tsnamm : very interesting...apparantly they're not going after the hard sell...so thats good...I still wonder if the CMH base will have enough O&D traffic to m
38 DeltaRules : I can't believe they haven't added the Orlando area yet. Still waiting for SFB, here. Just booked CMH-SGJ-CMH in November for Thanksgiving. $300 r/t f
39 RL757PVD : Im starting to think they could do LAL (Lakeland) as Orlando/Tampa... LAL is about the same distance from disney that SFB is
40 DeltAirlines : Wouldn't surprise me; LAL is 32.5 miles from Tampa, 44 miles or so from the Disney exit off I-4, about 57 miles from downtown Orlando. Sanford is abo
41 CitrusCritter : Actually the point that I was about to make. The main issue (not that SX cares), is that I-4 is the only way to go LAL-Disney, whilst I-4 and SR 417,
42 Richierich : Yes, you are correct. I knew that from when I used to fly my little Cherokee there. I think I kept one of those 737s waiting behind me once..! I agre
43 CitrusCritter : I am keen to know if they will try to serve the Atlanta area. FL is the only LCC that offers any significant destinations from ATL (NK to FLL, LAS, TP
44 Post contains images Piercey : IIRC, it was tried before (Western Pacific anyone?) What about Orlando Executive? IIRC, one of their runways is 6000 ft. piercey in CLE
45 BoeingPride800 : pleeeeeaasseeee come to SYR. pleeeaaaaaasseeeeeee.
46 CitrusCritter : Greater Orlando Aviation Authority controls both MCO and ORL. I really doubt they would approve the use of ORL for a commercial airline. In fact, I ca
47 727stretch : I emailed Skybus about potential St. Augustine service and got a reply from them. My email suggested them looking into non-p2p service connecting St.
48 Post contains links and images Itsnotfinals : SEA, SFO, and SAN O&D Daily CMH-OAK 98 CMH-SFO 176 CMH-SJC 105 (SFO Area) total SFO area = 379 CMH-SEA 258 CMH-SAN 245 http://www.faremeasure.com/air
49 Spinkid : I was so excited to see Hartford on the map, until I realized it is actually Chicopee! I'd love to go see my sister in Columbus, but where the heck am
50 Tbolt1 : yes, I went to the airport's web site....the "terminal" looks like a mere FBO. I am not really understanding the logic of flying to here when they ha
51 CitrusCritter : What about using ISP or SWF as their NYC alternate?
52 AT777 : I see that Skybus is going to fly to some odd places like St. Augustine, Bellingham, and Portsmouth. My question is, Central Florida is growing pretty
53 DAL767400ER : I'm a bit late to the topic, but I gotta add my 0.02 about service to SGJ. First of, where would SGJ want to build a new terminal to handle those flig
54 CitrusCritter : Leesburg only has a 5,000 ft runway and the NIMBYs would go crazy. I had to look that up...lived in Orlando most of my life and had no clue that Leesb
55 Post contains links Mkirch72 : I've flown many times to Rockland, Maine (RKD) which is serviced by USAirways Express (colgan). The terminal is a double-wide trailer and there are a
56 Wjcandee : At the airport, maybe? Seems like they have a parking area...http://www.wmass-arptcef.com/westmap.html Guess parking might be pretty cheap.
57 Cubsrule : ...and TSA. Seriously, is getting TSA screening at some of these airports where there's no service going to be a problem? EV had a tough time at MTH.
58 Spinkid : Well I'm certain there is some kind of parking, but is there long term parking? What are the rates? I guess I'll need for the airport to figure that
59 Logos : I don't know, friends of mine who live in Oviedo love Allegiant and their cheap fares. I think SFB and PIE are more likely than LAL, but LAL sure wou
60 BillReid : I do not understand. GA airports need to be fenced to depart to sterile airports. TSA needs to approve third party security before CMH can accept flig
61 Midex461 : Goodyear?! Gateway (AZA) is more prepared for an airline. They've at least got a terminal!
62 Yanksn4 : I would think they would go to FNL (Fort Collins) if they were to start Denver service. Alligant already has flights from there to LAS and somewhere
63 Post contains images SuperDash : So here is the real question. It's nice that SkyBus is starting service to St. Augustine and Chicopee. But how is the TSA staffing at both airports? I
64 Dvincent : As a former Chicopee/Western Mass resident, I can offer some insights about Westover. Westover has a large support network right outside of it with Me
65 Wjcandee : Westover is ARFF Index E, which is the same as JFK, so I think that oughta do it. SGJ, you are correct, presently has limited certification, and inde
66 DeltaAVL : Well, since everyone's throwing in all these weird guesses, I might as well ask about AVL? What are the chances of Skybus coming to AVL? Or GSP?
67 SuperDash : That means they can handle planes over 200 feet in length. Probably Springfield or Chicopee (where ever the airport is) must be a convenient alternat
68 Post contains images UncGSO : I like Columbus, Georgia (CSG), Detroit City (DET), and IAG. Would Waukegan (UGN) or Racine (RAC) work for Milwaukee/Chicago?
69 BatonOps : I'm going to keep my fingers crossed for MDT since we don't have a LCC.
70 ChrisNH : I thought Dover held that distinction? Westover has 16 of the giant planes, in the midst now of transitioning from the older 'A' model to the newer C
71 Logos : IIRC, BDL has some pretty stiff fees, so this makes sense in that regard. I'll say this much, for however long Skybus stays in business, they'll cert
72 Post contains links FlyCMH : 3 MORE DESTINATIONS New cities help Skybus' sales surge again Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:35 AM By Marla Matzer Rose THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH Skybus Airline
73 Post contains images DAL767400ER : SGJ see 727Fs on a somewhat regular basis, not sure if it's FX and/or UX (been too long since I was there last). On the passenger side, I've seen som
74 Post contains links MAH4546 : We'll be seeing many articles like this one coming up: http://blogs.courant.com/travel_columnists_leblanc/2007/05/skybus.html
75 Post contains links Itsnotfinals : Even though when you click on the website now it clearly states the city, and all press releases have the actual city names. http://www.dispatch.com/
76 Post contains links MAH4546 : You also find reviews like this one. On this man's flight, the staff called roll call like it was a 5th grade field trip. How organized. http://www.ja
77 Post contains images Itsnotfinals : One man's coach class is another man's DL F class..... 270,000 tickets can't be wrong. You spend so much time slamming SKB from Miami, but it's a wel
78 Vivavegas : Racine, WI - RAC = 6550ft (No Commercial Terminal/TSA) Kenosha, WI - ENW = 5500ft (No Commercial Terminal/TSA) Waukegan, IL - UGN = 6000ft (No Commer
79 Tbolt1 : From a Hudson Newspaper: ""Columbus – Start up discount airline Skybus announced Tuesday that it would start service beginning on May 22 and while i
80 Cubsrule : I'm not sure what NIMBY's you're thinking of. CASE has all but disappeared, and a passenger terminal could easily be erected at the former signature
81 FlyCMH : Here's an updated aircraft schedule that includes the new flights/destinations: Aircraft #1 CMH-RIC RIC-CMH CMH-SAN SAN-CMH CMH-PSM PSM-CMH Aircraft #
82 Humberside : Fare war with who - no one else flies SWF-CMH
83 Post contains links Logos : FWIW, here's another account of some early operating problems they've had http://www.thestreet.com/_htmlatb/ne...ysis/pharmaceuticals/10359865.html W
84 CitrusCritter : Perhaps the idea is that SWF will become one of their P2P "hubs." I think there's a lot of untapped potential there, but I still expect to see them a
85 BlueElephant : Don't expect them in ISP, there is too much competition from WN there. They will use SWF or FRG...Possibly FOK or TTN for the New York area. in anyca
86 Post contains images Richierich : There is a reason for that!!!
87 Gregarious119 : Wouldn't TTN be considered the Philly area instead of the NYC area?
88 CitrusCritter : This is SX we're talking about! LOL! TTN is 65 miles from NYC. It could definitely be BLI Part II...serving Philly and NYC just like BLI is Seattle a
89 Itsnotfinals : That would be great since BLI has been a VERY strong performer for SX so far with no tickets under 100 dollars each way until late September and all
90 CIDflyer : Skybus' route map is certainly interesting, and will be fun speculating where they go next. Does anyone know when they plan to announce their next des
91 EVA777SEA : If you look on there schedule page you can see that some airports have other options for schedules besides CMH. Of course, none of them except the CM
92 Pavlo27 : Local newspaper quoted Skybus being in talks with a car rental company to move into Westover at CEF. I live in Chicopee and this is great news. A lot
93 Post contains links Jerion : As a former W. Mass native, I find this to be quite interesting. I'm excited to see what happens w/ all of this. http://www.boston.com/business/artic.
94 Rampart : If you mean did it work, yes, WP did attract Denver crowds. COS would qualify as an underserved market, don't know about the need for Columbus flight
95 KcrwFlyer : Probably not anytime soon, unless they can say theyre serving a larger cirt via one of those airports.
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