Aidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2129 times:
Just to add, I know Thomsonfly will be using them this summer for five weeks or so from the end of May at Manchester. Also as well as their flights from Bournemouth for Palmair they are doing quite a few had-hoc charters around the UK this summer so at least they have got quite a few jobs this year.
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2030 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 1): Will they be sticking around much longer at all?
Wondered how long it would take someone to jump on the bandwagon!
Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3): It is operating for Thomsonfly out of Manchester until the end of June, which is why it has been stripped of EAC livery.
Correct! European have chosen not to have their name on their aircraft anymore due to the fact they get leased out alot, thats there purpose - just like Titan, just without as much class and the high expense.
Ryanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1988 times:
Quoting Aidoair (Reply 8): This will have been a flight for Thomsonfly even though they are using terminal 1.
Correct, they are using European's 3 letter flight designator (EAF) but using the flight number of the Thomsonfly flight they are operating.
For reference the destinations they are operating on selected days from MAN are:
DBV, FAO, FNC, LIS, NAP, PSA, SZG, VCE
This is until the 26th June when the EAF operation ends for TOM. I think they are using EAF because of their lack of availability of their own 737s to operate the flights themselves.
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (5 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
Quoting Vasu (Reply 12): I thought I read on here somewhere that they were downsizing their fleet and weren't in good financial shape...?
They were having problem, and still are not a rich airline, but they're doing OK. The only downsizing people would say is sending out aircraft for Ozjet. G-CEAE/H/G-GPFI are remaining very active however!
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6363 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (5 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 1572 times:
Birmingham 18/05/2007 parked away from terminals.
Luton 22/05/2007, (EAF930) left apron over 30 min late, taxied to remote hardstanding, sat for over 20 min then flew out. I did not see boarding. Very curious. Either the flight was pulled or they left very late. Given the normally short flight duration it would be quicker to walk.
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6260 posts, RR: 39 Reply 18, posted (5 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 1457 times:
Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that noise regulations had pushed all 732's out of Europe? I didn't think they met Stage III requirements, and I was under the impressions that hushkits were not accepted in Europe.
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
Ryanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 1300 times:
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 18): Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that noise regulations had pushed all 732's out of Europe? I didn't think they met Stage III requirements, and I was under the impressions that hushkits were not accepted in Europe.
AFAIK European are one of the few active operators of the 732 left in Europe, if not the last operator of the type (no recent photos in the a.net database indicate a 732 operator this year). However most 732s in Europe were hushkitted from 2000- and so were Ryanair's when they operated the 732 a few years back. A 732 without hushkits is bloody noisy - as I found out when I was at CPT one year.
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6260 posts, RR: 39 Reply 21, posted (5 years 12 months ago) and read 1276 times:
Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 20): However most 732s in Europe were hushkitted from 2000- and so were Ryanair's when they operated the 732 a few years back
I thought that Europe only allowed Stage III aircraft that met the standard as manufactured; I thought hushkits were unacceptable. Am I wrong?
The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
Quoting SEPilot (Reply 21): I thought that Europe only allowed Stage III aircraft that met the standard as manufactured; I thought hushkits were unacceptable. Am I wrong?
Considering G-CEAF hasn't been seen for months, that would mean they wern't flying at all!
Palmair has a contract to have planes for their flights, I don't believe it matters too much what one European send out as long as it has the correct seating plan. I believe the whole fleet (at one stage or another) has flown European flights. ATM it is G-CEAE, G-GPFI & G-CEAH flying for European on-and-off.
Boeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1103 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1053 times:
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 13):
They were having problem, and still are not a rich airline, but they're doing OK. The only downsizing people would say is sending out aircraft for Ozjet. G-CEAE/H/G-GPFI are remaining very active however!
My view of their downsizing was them getting rid/scrapping their fleet of 742s. I know they sold G-BDXJ to Air Atlanta who then sold it on to Dunsfold and the rest was offered for sale before scrapping I think.
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 883 times:
Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 23): My view of their downsizing was them getting rid/scrapping their fleet of 742s. I know they sold G-BDXJ to Air Atlanta who then sold it on to Dunsfold and the rest was offered for sale before scrapping I think.
They didn't know how to run an long-haul airline. They couldn't organize their crews correctly, and there planes were dotted around the world without crews with availble hours. There crew departement worked 9-5 and not 24 hours around the clock - and so the airline lost alot of money. The 747's had to go, or it was the whole company to my understanding!
25 Da man: It is my understanding that if the aircraft were operated in Europe with hushkits before June 1999 are acceptable and no new installations of hushkit
26 Diesel1: The 747s were bought at very advantageous prices from BA - IIRC if they (EAC) had scrapped / broken the aircraft for parts immediately after purchase
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