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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7686 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...gsearch=G-CEAH&distinct_entry=true

I see that this plane is now all white, rather than the normal EAC livery.

Does anyone know why?.

David

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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

The airline seems a bit of a mess at the moment... Will they be sticking around much longer at all?

User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Why do you think they are "a bit of a mess at the moment"?


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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know why?.

It is operating for Thomsonfly out of Manchester until the end of June, which is why it has been stripped of EAC livery.

737


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

My guesses are that its due a repaint into new EAL colours, or its for a repaint for a new customer, or its due to leave the fleet.

User currently offlineAidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Just to add, I know Thomsonfly will be using them this summer for five weeks or so from the end of May at Manchester. Also as well as their flights from Bournemouth for Palmair they are doing quite a few had-hoc charters around the UK this summer so at least they have got quite a few jobs this year.

Aidoair  Smile


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

During May I saw it at LTN and BHX

User currently offlineA340600MAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Hi all

G-CEAH was operating flights for European at the weekend. It was operating a rotation from Manchester to Salzburg.

Cheers

Len



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User currently offlineAidoair From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

This will have been a flight for Thomsonfly even though they are using terminal 1.

User currently offlineSpeedbird19 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 449 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

The past few days I've seen it parked on remote at MAN adjacent to the cargo terminal with a GPU attatched looking very lonely! lol


Planeprincess
User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 1):
Will they be sticking around much longer at all?

Wondered how long it would take someone to jump on the bandwagon!

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 3):
It is operating for Thomsonfly out of Manchester until the end of June, which is why it has been stripped of EAC livery.

Correct! European have chosen not to have their name on their aircraft anymore due to the fact they get leased out alot, thats there purpose - just like Titan, just without as much class and the high expense.

Here she was on 2nd May getting painted:



Bmi


User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting Aidoair (Reply 8):
This will have been a flight for Thomsonfly even though they are using terminal 1.

Correct, they are using European's 3 letter flight designator (EAF) but using the flight number of the Thomsonfly flight they are operating.

For reference the destinations they are operating on selected days from MAN are:

DBV, FAO, FNC, LIS, NAP, PSA, SZG, VCE

This is until the 26th June when the EAF operation ends for TOM. I think they are using EAF because of their lack of availability of their own 737s to operate the flights themselves.

737


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Oops, maybe I was getting a tad confused...

I thought I read on here somewhere that they were downsizing their fleet and weren't in good financial shape...?

If not: Excellent! Gotta love those 732s...!


User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
I thought I read on here somewhere that they were downsizing their fleet and weren't in good financial shape...?

They were having problem, and still are not a rich airline, but they're doing OK. The only downsizing people would say is sending out aircraft for Ozjet. G-CEAE/H/G-GPFI are remaining very active however!

[Edited 2007-05-31 10:26:06]

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Birmingham 18/05/2007 parked away from terminals.

Luton 22/05/2007, (EAF930) left apron over 30 min late, taxied to remote hardstanding, sat for over 20 min then flew out. I did not see boarding. Very curious. Either the flight was pulled or they left very late. Given the normally short flight duration it would be quicker to walk.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Silly mistake, Birmingham was 19/05/2007.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Oh, ok - thanks.

Is Palmair still a branch of European, or are they now just one operation? I remember there used to be 732s also painted in Palmair colours...


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7686 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

According to www.airfleets.net, Palmair is separate, G-CEAF only.

David


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6951 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that noise regulations had pushed all 732's out of Europe? I didn't think they met Stage III requirements, and I was under the impressions that hushkits were not accepted in Europe.


The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 12):
I thought I read on here somewhere that they were downsizing their fleet and weren't in good financial shape...?

Ah... you're more or less right in that respect - though this happened sometime ago now. As BMIBaby737 says, they're ok now..

Quoting Vasu (Reply 16):
Is Palmair still a branch of European, or are they now just one operation?

Palmair has never been a branch of European.

Palmair is how Bath Travel brand their operations from BOH. In the past they used FLT 146s before the EAC 737s.

Of course, had the Bath family's takeover of EAC come to something, things may have been different.



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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 18):
Pardon my ignorance, but I thought that noise regulations had pushed all 732's out of Europe? I didn't think they met Stage III requirements, and I was under the impressions that hushkits were not accepted in Europe.

AFAIK European are one of the few active operators of the 732 left in Europe, if not the last operator of the type (no recent photos in the a.net database indicate a 732 operator this year). However most 732s in Europe were hushkitted from 2000- and so were Ryanair's when they operated the 732 a few years back. A 732 without hushkits is bloody noisy - as I found out when I was at CPT one year.

737


User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6951 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 20):
However most 732s in Europe were hushkitted from 2000- and so were Ryanair's when they operated the 732 a few years back

I thought that Europe only allowed Stage III aircraft that met the standard as manufactured; I thought hushkits were unacceptable. Am I wrong?



The problem with making things foolproof is that fools are so doggone ingenious...Dan Keebler
User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 21):
I thought that Europe only allowed Stage III aircraft that met the standard as manufactured; I thought hushkits were unacceptable. Am I wrong?

I believe you are; yes.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 17):
According to www.airfleets.net, Palmair is separate, G-CEAF only.

Considering G-CEAF hasn't been seen for months, that would mean they wern't flying at all!

Palmair has a contract to have planes for their flights, I don't believe it matters too much what one European send out as long as it has the correct seating plan. I believe the whole fleet (at one stage or another) has flown European flights. ATM it is G-CEAE, G-GPFI & G-CEAH flying for European on-and-off.


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 13):

They were having problem, and still are not a rich airline, but they're doing OK. The only downsizing people would say is sending out aircraft for Ozjet. G-CEAE/H/G-GPFI are remaining very active however!

My view of their downsizing was them getting rid/scrapping their fleet of 742s. I know they sold G-BDXJ to Air Atlanta who then sold it on to Dunsfold and the rest was offered for sale before scrapping I think.


User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 23):
My view of their downsizing was them getting rid/scrapping their fleet of 742s. I know they sold G-BDXJ to Air Atlanta who then sold it on to Dunsfold and the rest was offered for sale before scrapping I think.

They didn't know how to run an long-haul airline. They couldn't organize their crews correctly, and there planes were dotted around the world without crews with availble hours. There crew departement worked 9-5 and not 24 hours around the clock - and so the airline lost alot of money. The 747's had to go, or it was the whole company to my understanding!


25 Da man : It is my understanding that if the aircraft were operated in Europe with hushkits before June 1999 are acceptable and no new installations of hushkit
26 Diesel1 : The 747s were bought at very advantageous prices from BA - IIRC if they (EAC) had scrapped / broken the aircraft for parts immediately after purchase
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