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How Does MaxJet Pay Their Crews?  
User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 272 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

I was browsing through the MaxJet web site, and noticed that their flight and cabin crew are paid salaries rather than hourly.

Max Jet Career site says that $26,000 is the starting salary for US Cabin crew, and the Airline Pilot Central says that $90,000 is the captain's starting salary, with $50K for the first officer.

I guess I am surprised as I have never heard about the crew not being paid by the hour. Are these just annualized hourly numbers, or is it indeed a salary with some level of work commitment? If so, does it mean that the crew are compensated more or less than the ones at legacy airlines who are flying transatlantic? And are there other airlines with similar policies?

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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

90k and 50k are pretty bad numbers for widebody pilots, especially on the captain side. Pilots flying RJ's make about that much at places like Air Wisconsin, Horizon, Comair, or Expressjet. Then again most legacy carriers are paying their newhire pilots like garbage nowadays, CO newhires will make maybe 30k/year even if they are on the 777.

[Edited 2007-05-31 01:12:08]

User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 1):
CO newhires will make maybe 30k/year even if they are on the 777.

Wow, that's an upgrade. Newhires can fly B777?


User currently offlineCo777er From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 2):
Wow, that's an upgrade. Newhires can fly B777?

Obviously with some prior 777 training from a previous airline!


User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Quoting Co777er (Reply 3):
Obviously with some prior 777 training from a previous airline!

Not necessarily....CO newhires can and have been awarded the 777 without prior experience in type. This might make them the lowest paid 777 pilots in the world. Many newhires avoid it because reserve will be indefinite and you will not get to log many takeoffs and landings other than what you do in the simulator; you will be an IRO for the most part. I'm not saying I'd turn down the job though, because the potential to make decent money is there within 5 or 6 years. Unfortunately airlines now subsidize training costs by offering drastically low starting pay and at Continental you don't even get insurance for the first 6 months.

[Edited 2007-05-31 06:50:36]

User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 1):
Pilots flying RJ's make about that much at places like Air Wisconsin, Horizon, Comair, or Expressjet.

Are you kidding?

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 1):
CO newhires will make maybe 30k/year even if they are on the 777.

And youre saying that RJ Pilots make more than Continental Mainline pilots?



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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
Are you kidding?

No. Visit airlinepilotcentral.com and all the pay statistics are available for viewing. Multiply hourly rates x 1000 to get approxmiate annual salaries.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 5):
And youre saying that RJ Pilots make more than Continental Mainline pilots?

Some RJ pilots make more than some Mainline pilots, but obviously not when you compare seat to seat with equal seniority. A 10 year RJ captain makes a lot more than a newhire mainline FO in most cases. But if you compare a 10 year mainline captain to a 10 year RJ captain the mainline pilot will make about double. If someone goes from being a regional captain to, say, a continental FO it will take them 2 or 3 years to equal what they were making at the regional in most cases.


User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 6):
Multiply hourly rates x 1000 to get approxmiate annual salaries.

I guess my question was more about whether pilots actually get paid salary or any salaries quoted are annualized hourly numbers? And 1000 hours, isn't it a contractual maximum? I'd imagine most pilots (at least at legacy airlines) do not come close to flying that many hours...


User currently offlinePgtravel From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Reply 7):
I guess my question was more about whether pilots actually get paid salary or any salaries quoted are annualized hourly numbers?

They actually get paid a salary. I posted an interview on my blog here (click to read the whole thing) with their SVP of Planning and Development and asked him exactly that question. Here's the excerpt pertaining to this issue:

Quote:

Cranky: The annual salary for the front line is a really interesting concept. How does that work? Is there a baseline number of hours they fly and then if they go over they get paid overtime?

Josh: Annual salaries work for crews when paired with a line-allocation concept called fair assignment. Essentially lines are assigned by computer to employees in order to maximize equality. Employees have some ability to express preferences. So the number of hours a given crew will fly in a month can vary, but we guarantee them a salary number regardless. In our system there’s no concept of overtime or baseline hours. Similarly, there’s no seniority system (since there’s no bidding for lines).


User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1958 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Reply 7):
I guess my question was more about whether pilots actually get paid salary or any salaries quoted are annualized hourly numbers? And 1000 hours, isn't it a contractual maximum? I'd imagine most pilots (at least at legacy airlines) do not come close to flying that many hours...

It depends on the airline. Most pay hourly rates, with a minimum amount "guaranteed" regardless of actual hours flown (usually 70-80 hours of pay per month are guaranteed). Most schedules will have pilots at least flying enough hours to "break guarantee" othrewise the airline would be paying pilots for hours they did not fly. Some airlines, like Maxjet apparantly, pay a straight monthly salary, but this method is more popular with corporate and fractional operators.

1000 hours is not a contractual maximum, it's a federally mandated maximum. Pilots of airliners with more than 19 seats are also not allowed to fly more than 100 hours in a month, 30 hours in a week, or be scheudled to fly more than 8 hours in a day. Contractual maximums often dictate a lower "average" that schedules must be built to. You are right, most pilots do not fly close to 1000 hours annually at legacy airlines, but when you take into account things like vacation pay, soft time, training pay, per diem, etc, multiplying the hourly rate x 1000 still gets you in the ballpark.


User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

They are probably all salaried because they don't have a lot of flying going on. Their crews can only go one direction before having to rest. Only can do 8hr on duty (in the air) days. Which seems like a good deal, working one flight then rest for 18-24hrs.

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