Emirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 10 Posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8615 times:
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Order No. 2007-A-176
May 29, 2007
IN THE MATTER OF an exemption from section 59 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, to permit Emirates to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada a scheduled international service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada.
File No. M4212/E217-4
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Emirates (hereinafter the applicant) has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (hereinafter the Agency) for the exemption set out in the title. The application was received on May 17, 2007.
Section 59 of the Canada Transportation Act (hereinafter the CTA) prohibits an applicant from selling, causing to be sold or publicly offering for sale in Canada an air service without holding a licence in respect of that service. The applicant has applied for a scheduled international licence to operate a service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada. However, as the application is not yet complete, an exemption from the application of section 59 of the CTA is necessary in order to allow the applicant to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada the proposed air service prior to obtaining the applied for licence.
The applicant states that it proposes to start operating its service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada on October 28, 2007 and that it is in the process of obtaining a Canadian Foreign Air Operator Certificate issued by Transport Canada which is required to complete the licence application. Consequently, the applicant submits that in order for the proposed service to be viable, it must be able to offer for sale the service at the earliest possible date.
The Agency has carefully reviewed and considered the application and is of the opinion that in order for the proposed service to be viable, the applicant must be able to offer for sale seats at the earliest possible date. Therefore, the Agency finds that compliance by the applicant with section 59 of the CTA is impractical in the present circumstances.
Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 80(1)(c) of the CTA, hereby exempts the applicant from the application of section 59 of the CTA, thereby permitting the applicant to sell, cause to be sold or publicly offer for sale in Canada a scheduled international service between the United Arab Emirates and Canada, effective from the date of this Order, without holding the required licence, subject to the following conditions:
1. All passengers shall be notified, before reservation, that the international scheduled service is subject to government approval. All future advertising in any media, whether in writing or by telecommunication, shall also include this information.
2. The applicant shall apply its published tariffs, on file with the Agency and in effect, to sales of transportation.
3. The exemption authorized herein does not relieve the applicant from the requirement to hold a licence in respect of the service to be provided and, accordingly, no flights shall be operated until the appropriate licence authority has been granted.
4. The applicant shall arrange to provide alternative air transportation by an appropriately licensed air carrier, at no additional cost for all passengers who have made reservations with the applicant, or, if such arrangements are not possible or acceptable to the passenger, to provide a full refund of all monies paid by the passenger, should the international scheduled licence not issue.
The exemption granted herein does not exempt the applicant from the requirements of other legislative acts or regulations, including those of Transport Canada.
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8441 times:
Quoting DL777LAX (Reply 2): I assume Emirates is going into Toronto. So, will we see daily service, or is there a restrictive bilateral between the two countries?
LouA340 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8342 times:
With EK serving Toronto its been on and off for quite a while now. Didn't they have their chance a couple of years ago but did not take it because they requested daily service or nothing, and got the later. EY the pounced on it and is serving YYZ presently.
It will be interesting to see what develops out if this.
CXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2754 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7980 times:
As far as I know, the present bilateral restricts one carrier from each country to fly 6 p/week. Emirates wanted daily and refused to start until they had it. EY came, and took the rights quickly after EK said no.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7957 times:
I'm still hoping that EK will come to AMS one day (with pax flights that is). I do find it odd, as AMS was always in the top 10 of biggest airports in the world (they have now dropped to 12 IIRC), but still has no service from EK, while a lot of much smaller airports do receive EK flights. As I understand it, slots are not a problem at AMS.
BBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7937 times:
@ Kappel: Thank KLM for blocking Emirates' flight path into AMS.
I think that Emirates has a Toronto service on the cards. There are a lot of Toronto-based positions with Emirates being advertised in Dubai at the moment.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7566 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 8): I'm still hoping that EK will come to AMS one day (with pax flights that is). I do find it odd, as AMS was always in the top 10 of biggest airports in the world (they have now dropped to 12 IIRC), but still has no service from EK, while a lot of much smaller airports do receive EK flights. As I understand it, slots are not a problem at AMS.
..however landing rights are, and currently, EK is using it for their cargo-hauling...
Drgmobile From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 504 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7288 times:
I believe these applications are required even if a carrier wants to operate via codeshare on somebody else's metal. Can anybody confirm? My point is that I wouldn't take this CTA notice as an indication that there is to be an imminent Emirates flight to Canada. The airline has made its interests well known but the bilateral is an impediment.
YOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4788 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
There have been many rumblings at different volumes of EK coming into YYZ over the last 2/3 years. Till the bilateral is revised and EK get daily slots at YYZ this is not going to happen. I will believe it only when I am on board an EK frame on the ground at YYZ ready to head to the gulf.
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4286 times:
EK are now hitting themselves for that
I doubt it. Unless you haven't noticed EK is doing well everywhere, EK doesn't really need Canada. It's Canada's communist behaviour that we should be picking on.
UAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 912 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4270 times:
I called EK call center yesterday and i asked about a flight to YYZ direct from DXB, they said nothing on the system yet.
What is the truth on this issue?
Sebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1658 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4204 times:
Quoting Marco (Reply 18):
I doubt it. Unless you haven't noticed EK is doing well everywhere, EK doesn't really need Canada. It's Canada's communist behaviour that we should be picking on.
Naritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 547 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
Emirates can fly into YYZ tomorrow if they wished but can only do it 3 times a week. I heard Clark somewhere talking about wanting to go to YYZ or YUL daily or not at all.
Sorry but EK wants YYZ or YUL, not YYC or YVR yet.
Paneuropean From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 876 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
Quoting BBADXB (Reply 9): @ Kappel: Thank KLM for blocking Emirates' flight path into AMS.
This is such nonsense ! If so, EK would do the same thing to KLM at Dubai. AMS receives huge EK cargo operations. We will see EK pax at AMS in the future. However, they get higher yields on many European other routes, partly because of the heavy competition of KL at AMS. As many of us know O/D at AMS is low. The airport functions as transfer point, just like DXB.
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6952 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4153 times:
Quoting YOWza (Reply 17): Till the bilateral is revised and EK get daily slots at YYZ this is not going to happen. I will believe it only when I am on board an EK frame on the ground at YYZ ready to head to the gulf.
Oh don't you worry, it's coming. With AC receiving their brand new 777s and 787s they will likely want to fly them to the Gulf and will have to renegotiate the agreement. EK knows that, they're just getting a head start on the process.
Emirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 10 Reply 24, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4002 times:
Quoting Sebring (Reply 20): You don't even know what Communist means.
Why else not allow a daily service?
The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
25 YOWza: Well protectionism is on the fringe of communism so he's not far off in some respects. No they can't. Bilateral is restricted to one carrier from the
26 Marco: If I don't know what communism means, then why is EK blocked from entering Canada? To help a struggling, inefficient airline ...
27 BBADXB: Wrong! Dubai doesn't work like that. There's open skies, not tit for tat, and that's just it. Emirates cannot block KL or whoever from coming into DX
28 CayMan: If you think you are referring to AC, well that is just a ludicrous statement to make. If AC is "struggling" you can bet there are a helluva lot of l
30 Gilesdavies: EK need to get their A340-500's into YVR!!! - That would be a goldmine route for them. With Vancouver region having a very large enthnic Pakistani and
31 Airbazar: True but that agreement will come up for renewal sooner or later.
32 Dabth747: off topic but why do canadians call themselves canucks?
33 MSYYZ: I posted this in October/2005 in the civil aviation forum , and i guess it is coming closer to reality : "I heard the manager of "Emirates North Ameri
34 Behramjee: I heard this too on the radio whilst driving on the highway...EK's VP Nigel Page gave an interview concerning the Canadian market and he did say that
35 Paneuropean: So, what's the story ? AMS has an independent slot coördinator who gives away slots through certain rules. EK is using quite some slots momentarily,
36 Cslusarc: I would expect that EK could place its code on a transborder flight from EWR operated by CO (one EK's current codeshare partners).
37 MSYYZ: The gentleman was talking in an assertive way as if it was a done deal , so i guess he knew back then something we don't know . He didn't mention any
38 DYK: Its hard to say what cities Ek will operate into, YYZ is a given but my money will be on YYC is the the other. It would be great to see them in YVR b
39 MSYYZ: Hi there UAEflyer , the same thing happened to me with Etihad . I contacted them with a question regarding the rumors that were going on about Etihad
40 BBADXB: Unfortunately you seem to be mistaking 'bilaterals' with 'open skies', which you ought to know that they're sort of the extreme opposites of one anot
41 Threepoint: Oh sure, there's lots of traffic. But low yield. I'd be surprised if YVR is on EK's near horizon.
42 UAEflyer: But, that is to an existing service not a new one, if they will fly on October they should start accepting reservation as their new flight to Houston
43 MAH4546: I can't believe there are people debating if Vancouver will be Emirates' second Canadian city. There is no contest here, it will be.
44 DABTH747: you have summed up this really well, thanks
45 Threepoint: Based upon the myriad of reasons stated in above posts, this may take some time. What makes you sure the bureaucratic hurdles will be crossed in time
46 FlyDreamliner: You really think that there is much demand between YYC-DXB and vice versa? I don't know. YYC might be gaining on YUL for #3 airport in Canada, but I
47 MAH4546: I'm not taking into consideration those hurdles. All I'm saying is that when Emirates is allowed to fly to Canada, Toronto comes first, and Vancouver
48 Pictues: No renegots needed as its 1 carrier per country 6 times a week so AC could start service tomorrow as no other canadian carrier is using the rights, h
49 Joost: This is correct. A codeshare is, with respect to bilateral air agreements, equal to a flight operated by the own metal of a carrier. Here for example
50 Sebring: If this takes long enough, somebody will come with a couple of 787-8s and fly nonstop to a couple of the key markets that would support an EK service
51 Naritaflyer: Well, two things. The Bilateral allows Emirates 3 flights a week and no Emirates would never fly to YVR or YYC. If there is a second city it will be
52 MSYYZ: Emirates confirms service to Toronto Emirates Confirms Toronto Flights (by Behramjee Jun 5 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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