EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5932 times:
Following yesterdays confirmation of Qatar's MoA for 80 A350XWB's, airbus have again reiterated their prediction of securing 200 A350 orders by the end of 2007:
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"Right now, I've got 100 [original] A350 firm orders in our order book. By the end of this year, they will either have to be converted to XWB or they'll have to be cancelled," Airbus chief operating officer commercial John Leahy said today in a press conference.
He is confident these deals will be confirmed, noting that nobody has cancelled to date.
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 864 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5907 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): Personally, I dont see a figure of 200 as a huge hurdle.
Dats 100 more over and above what they allready HAD for the older varient . I think someone did the math , they had 113 orders , LOI's MOU's etc for the older varient so only 87 new orders which should be a cakewalk .
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 10517 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5756 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): Personally, I dont see a figure of 200 as a huge hurdle.
It shouldn't be, if, as John Leahy claims, all the original A350 orders are converted to A350XWB. Add 80 for QR and 20 for SQ and bingo! I think he's just sandbagging and Airbus will be disappointed not to have significantly more than 200 by year end.
You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 23613 posts, RR: 79 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5686 times:
The EK RFP alone is greater then all the contracts Airbus currently has signed so if EK wants accelerated deliveries, Airbus may very well have given an ultimatum to the airlines holding contracts for the original plane to convert or Airbus will unilaterally cancel them.
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 864 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5680 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 3): The EK RFP alone is greater then all the contracts Airbus currently has signed so if EK wants accelerated deliveries, Airbus may very well have given an ultimatum to the airlines holding contracts for the original plane to convert or Airbus will unilaterally cancel them.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 10517 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5497 times:
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 4): when does EK decide between the 2 manufacterers?
Some time this year.
Some think the deal is already done and will be announced at Paris. My feeling is that EK will announce the largest plane order* of all time on home turf at the Dubai Air Show in November. There may well be an EK announcement at Paris, but I don't think it will be the A350/787 one.
*barring the rumoured AA order!
You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 20630 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5184 times:
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 4): when does EK decide between the 2 manufacterers?
Sometime between two years ago and 3 years from now. That's as much as I can nail it down, since Clark talks a big game but...
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Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 864 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4975 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 11): The A350 will beat B787 in orders before its EIS.
Wait and see.
Well considering that boeing had like 4 years to sell the 787 before it EIS's while airbus has what....7 years , so the damn better sell as much if they want to proove something . But i dont see the point in this !!
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 864 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4932 times:
Quoting Kbdude (Reply 14): they will have in the neighborhood of 700 firm by EIS (05/08).
700 should be acheived by the year end even if one of the big US order goes through. They have AA, delta , BA , LH and many others (EK) yet to decide before the EIS so they should be able to score close to 200 more ordres by EIS if those airlines order ( assuming that half of BA LH and EK goes to AB) .
Bringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 864 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4692 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 16): But hey ... in 2013, with the A350 having scooped up 750 orders, maybe you wish that you had a taste of this nectar as well.
As i said you are comparing a 7 year period ( Launch to EIS) for the 350 , to the 4 year period for the 787 yet people are skeptical . Even if we assume that the A350 gets 50% of the market share between now and 2013 there would need to be
1600 widebodies sold between now and 2013 . Also bear in mind that there is the 777 competing , 330 competing , 787 competing for widebody orders aswell .
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 4665 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4673 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 11): The A350 will beat B787 in orders before its EIS.
Wait and see.
Give me a wife of what you're smoking. Oh and BTW, Boeing has over 130 order for the 787 thus far in 2007 and are on the verge of 700 total firm and over 200 for 2007 by the end of Paris. Don't think Airbus is going to beat that. It'll be the year of the 787.
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 5908 posts, RR: 39 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4605 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 11): The A350 will beat B787 in orders before its EIS.
If they had gone to barrels like they should have this would be possible, but with the panels not a chance. The airlines certainly appear to be underwhelmed by the A350.
[Edited 2007-05-31 20:50:48]
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LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 53 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4546 times:
Quoting PADSpot (Reply 5): LH is also yet to decide on 30-50 frames ...
I don't see the A350 having big chances with LH, especially given that in the past, the 787 has won several internal RFPs. Unless Airbus offers something to LH which Boeing cannot match (in terms of the aircraft, not the pricing) or if they want to operate both 787s and A350s, I don't see the A350 making its way to LH.
Yellowtail From Belize, joined Jun 2005, 4390 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3953 times:
My bet: the 350 goes back to the drawing board yet again and EIS becomes 2015 and all these arab carriers ordering a bunch of pies in the sky have to grovel in Chicago saying "please please can I get just one 789 before 2015" ...that is if they are around that long
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NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3849 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 11): The A350 will beat B787 in orders before its EIS.
Wait and see.
Quoting Kbdude (Reply 14): Bold statement... with the 787 currently at 584 firm... they will have in the neighborhood of 700 firm by EIS (05/08). Near the all-time record.
If we assume A & B split 50-50 the Mid WB orders for over the next 6 years prior to the XWB EIS..... I don't see A can exceed 700 firm prior to EIS.
Quoting Bringiton (Reply 17): As i said you are comparing a 7 year period ( Launch to EIS) for the 350 , to the 4 year period for the 787 yet people are skeptical . Even if we assume that the A350 gets 50% of the market share between now and 2013 there would need to be
1600 widebodies sold between now and 2013 . Also bear in mind that there is the 777 competing , 330 competing , 787 competing for widebody orders aswell .
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 18): Give me a wife of what you're smoking. Oh and BTW, Boeing has over 130 order for the 787 thus far in 2007 and are on the verge of 700 total firm and over 200 for 2007 by the end of Paris. Don't think Airbus is going to beat that. It'll be the year of the 787.
Glideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1475 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3391 times:
Quoting Chiad (Reply 11): The A350 will beat B787 in orders before its EIS.
Wait and see.
Wow, you ok? Always get that blood sugar up prior to posting.
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DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 755 posts, RR: 54 Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): Personally, I dont see a figure of 200 as a huge hurdle.
As was said in 2005 and 2006. Maybe the third year is the charm?
25 Workhorse: I'm under the impression that I have already seen this some time ago. Am I the only one here to suffer from déjà vu?
26 N908AW: Yeah...I've heard this before somewhere... *ducks and covers, remembering the 787 promised the same thing in '05...*
27 CygnusChicago: Wow, condescension and racism in the same paragraph, topped off with a healthy dose of ignorance. Is there a "unrespected user list"? I think you des
28 XT6Wagon: you forgot that Airbus already said that the A350 would have 200 orders by the end of 06.... The A350 EIS has been 6 years away for what 2? years now
29 Revo1059: I'm not a 'fan' of one over the other, but from what has transpired so far, I'm surprised Airbus has any orders. Looking at their track record lately
30 Lemurs: It's not going out on such a limb to suggest that the A350 will have more orders on EIS than the 787 did. First, as someone pointed out, there's a sig
31 Iwok: I just hope that they secure 200 ORDERS this year and not some magical number of LOI's, MOU's and wishful thinking. It would be too embarassing to wa
32 Astuteman: FWIW, I think that both the 787 and A350 will represent such a leap in economics and capability, that they will engender a huge ordering spree as air
33 RedFlyer: If it does, it will be only because it will have a much longer development cycle from launch to EIS (~6 years) vs. the 787 (~4 years). One thing that
34 Dank: I'm not sure I would consider it sales goals, but expected numbers, but, yes, you better hope that it really is going to be that or better before you
35 Workhorse: Actually BOTH Boeing and Airbus have done that (Boeing in 2004 and Airbus in 2005) and BOTH have failed. A question of gastronomical preferences. Som
36 LTU932: That's a very good question your making, and I agree with you. This flip flopping Airbus has done in the wake of the 787 gathering more and more mome
37 Boeing767-300: Well put Welcome to my respected users list. I can't help with Leahy shooting his mouth off again places him in a weak position with QR when attempti
38 CygnusChicago: The bottom line is that it is not a.net posters that are ordering airplanes. It is executives at airlines that have Leahy and Randy on speed dial, an
39 Wsp: I think you are getting this totally wrong. The public expectation would have been (or is) that Airbus needs to match the 787 orders this year or eve
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