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Heathrow East Approved!  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12563 posts, RR: 35
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9758 times:

A new terminal development at Heathrow, to replace the constrained - and frankly rather unpleasant - Terminals 1 and 2 - has been authorised by the Mayor of London, Mr. Livingstone.

http://www.24dash.com/news/2/21294/index.htm

The new terminal complex will also replace the current Queen's Building and is intended to be in place in time for the Olympics in 2012.

Don't expect much (if anything!) in the way of enthusiasts' facilities - I'm expecting dark green, very reflective glass!

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9676 times:

And no additional runway...  Sad


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User currently offlineScott0305 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9604 times:

Sweet. Is that it then or do they need a 25 year public enquiry allowing thousands of NIMBYs to hold it up. (does this fall under the new public planning rules that are supposed to fast-track these sorts of things?)

Anyone know the long term plan for terminals at LHR. Will they re-number them when this is in place or will it be actually called "Heathrow East" with T3, 4 and 5?


User currently offlineRhysobeseo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9535 times:

Thats great news, just what heathrow realy needs, terms 1+2 are really drab places to be, with the redevelopment of terminals 3+4 and the addition of terminal 5 heathrow should be a really nice airport, why ther would be a need to take action against the plan is beyond me, apparently they are trying to reduce the energy usage, and there will be no increase in passenger numbers, so this should not be a problem to the public.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5796 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9433 times:

I hope the make transfering between T3 and the new terminal much easier than it is now. Took me over an hour to transfer from my AA flight at T3 to my EI flight in T1 on time. Terrible especially when travelling with kids.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26704 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
And no additional runway...

No matter how they plan that, it will be a hell of a task and it just doesn't seem likely. I want to know when they are going to push the 4 runway build out of Stansted.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9409 times:

Does this mean that they will knock down 1 & 2 to facilitate construction of Heathrow East, or will Heathrow East be built separately and become say T2. And then Heathrow can re-construct the old terminals 1 and 2 into a new T1??

AA1818



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User currently offlineRhysobeseo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9368 times:

As far as i know it will be built in phases if i am correct, with terminal 2 knocked down when t5 is completed, then phase 1 heathrow east will be built where terminal 1 was, then that will be opened, then the rest built upon current t1 site, please ccorrect me if i am wrong. Rhys

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9343 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 6):
Does this mean that they will knock down 1 & 2 to facilitate construction of Heathrow East, or will Heathrow East be built separately and become say T2. And then Heathrow can re-construct the old terminals 1 and 2 into a new T1??

Yep, T1 and T2 are being knocked down to make way for Heathrow East. Bring on the bulldozers!!


User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9285 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 8):
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 6):
Does this mean that they will knock down 1 & 2 to facilitate construction of Heathrow East, or will Heathrow East be built separately and become say T2. And then Heathrow can re-construct the old terminals 1 and 2 into a new T1??

Yep, T1 and T2 are being knocked down to make way for Heathrow East. Bring on the bulldozers!!

While I would love to get to drive a bulldozer and take down both T1 and T2, just where are those Pax currently using them going to go. Since LHR is on my personal no-fly list, it's been a couple years since I've been there and I have not been keeping up on what's going on in LHR.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8601 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9167 times:
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Quoting Poitin (Reply 9):
While I would love to get to drive a bulldozer and take down both T1 and T2, just where are those Pax currently using them going to go.

my understanding is that after BA have moved out of T1 to T5 all the Star Alliance airlines will move to the current T1 , T2 will be knocked down and the first stage of Heathrow East will be built , then the Star Alliance airlines will move to the first stage of Heathrow East when that is complete and T1 will be demolished permitting the rest of Heathrow East to be built at which time the Star airlines ( and their pax ) will be able to breathe a bit more easily with a lot more space



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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9060 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
my understanding is that after BA have moved out of T1 to T5 all the Star Alliance airlines will move to the current T1 , T2 will be knocked down and the first stage of Heathrow East will be built , then the Star Alliance airlines will move to the first stage of Heathrow East when that is complete and T1 will be demolished permitting the rest of Heathrow East to be built at which time the Star airlines ( and their pax ) will be able to breathe a bit more easily with a lot more space

Sounds like a total mess -- I guess I will increase the "don't go there!" ranking I have placed on LHR. Thanks for the update.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8944 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
No matter how they plan that, it will be a hell of a task and it just doesn't seem likely. I want to know when they are going to push the 4 runway build out of Stansted.

Even a runway to get G/A and 100 seat and under jets off the main runways would be a great step. But I know the community is fighting it.



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Next step is the 3rd Runway and Terminal 6!!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26704 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):

Even a runway to get G/A and 100 seat and under jets off the main runways would be a great step. But I know the community is fighting it.

G/A has been reduced greatly due to the massive G/A landing fees and pretty much uses Luton and Stansted now. As far as the 100 seaters go, that is another area that Heathrow just doesn't do all that much business in. They need a runway that can take 737/A320 class aircraft. The issue with the community is multi-fold. There are real, viable communities that pen in the airport and the government has allowed those to grow and thrive. It is not like the just have noise complaints, which don't really hold water when you live near an airport. Their complaints are about being displaced, which is a whole different thing.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Their complaints are about being displaced, which is a whole different thing.

I'm not judging the complaints in any way. The government is at fault for allowing communities to fill in the land, and the government should help compensate the people who are displaced, and handsomely. Also, compensate the people who will be closer to the new runway, and thus lose property value.

I don't buy the "all NIMBY's are wrong" mentality of some here. Each case is different.

But I do think that if you build a house next to an airport, you have to know, in the back of your mind, that it isn't permanent...  Wink



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User currently offlineFruitbat From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 551 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
But I do think that if you build a house next to an airport, you have to know, in the back of your mind, that it isn't permanent...

But if your house was built in the 30's (which a considerable part of the local area was) and then a local small aerodrome is expanded over time to a major international airport then you do have the right to say that we were here first....

Anway, for context I used to live under the approach to LHR on the Great West Road - loved it, and the 5am arrivals made a great alarm clock  Smile



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
I don't buy the "all NIMBY's are wrong" mentality of some here. Each case is different.

I think there is a difference between NIMBYs and NIMLRs (Not In My Living Room). The former are just being petty a lot of the time. The latter are genuinely annoyed at having to be relocated.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8601 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7263 times:
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Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 16):
But if your house was built in the 30's (which a considerable part of the local area was) and then a local small aerodrome is expanded over time to a major international airport then you do have the right to say that we were here first....

I agree that anyone who has been in the vicinity of an airport since before I was built does have a right to complain - but most of the anti-noise "noise" seems to come from people who are less than 80 years old which means that they cannot have been living near LHR since the '30s - they are people who presumably knew that there was an airport there and chose to move into the area anyway



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User currently offlineRebelDJ From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

Quoting Poitin (Reply 11):
Sounds like a total mess -- I guess I will increase the "don't go there!" ranking I have placed on LHR. Thanks for the update.

Quite right!! This is yet another reason to stay away from Heathrow for the next 5 years.
Does anyone know of an airport that is not a building site??


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2822 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Quoting RebelDJ (Reply 19):
Does anyone know of an airport that is not a building site??

Gatwick? Stansted? Luton? Amsterdam...



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User currently offlineJfr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Quoting Theginge (Reply 13):

Totally agree! If Atlanta can do it, so can London.


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6623 times:

About time  Smile

But even with Heathrow East in place, I prefer flying into LCY whenever possible  Smile

But I still see little hope for that third runway. On the other hand, I'm not sure how much it will help as the airspace around London is pretty much at capacity as well, and the sky just isn't getting any bigger.

SailorOrion


User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

The construction of T5 and then Heathrow East, will place even more pressure on the need for a 3rd runway. Heathrow has undoubtedly got the highest runway utilisation ratio in the world (No. flights per day per runway) and delays flying in are sometimes completely unacceptable.

Of course, when will that 3rd runway be built is the million $ question...


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

Quoting Scott0305 (Reply 2):
do they need a 25 year public enquiry allowing thousands of NIMBYs to hold it up

This is England that we are talking about. Of course there will be public enquiries and thousands of NIMBYs to delay it. The Mayor of London has limited powers and the NIMBYs can easily lodge an appeal against Hillingdon Council's decision that will probably go all the way to the House of Lords, assuming that His Tonyness has not abolished it before he departs!

In the meantime whilst expansion and enhancements at LHR are held up, the airport's operators open more shopping malls to keep the delayed passengers spending money, and CDG, FRA and AMS all expand at LHR's expense. EK's management rub their hands with glee, as it appears there will be plenty of passengers who prefer to bypass LHR, which is the mess that only the Brits can create, when they start taking deliveries of their long-delayed A380s and DXB becomes the main hub.



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25 SailorOrion : Doesn't LGW hold this title? SailorOrion
26 Zvezda : If I were running BAA, I would be buying houses as they become available in the area north of LHR where they want to expand, then renting them to airp
27 LHR777 : LGW holds the title for "Highest SINGLE runway utilisation"
28 Post contains images Readytotaxi : This would be a great opportunity to link the terminals with a tram system as they have at EWR but I bet they screw it up ! javascript:basic_smilie_c
29 BrianDromey : It does. LGW , however has a single runway. This implies that LGW has a higher number of movements on its runway, then LHR does on either of its two.
30 UAL777UK : That would be a great idea in the central area and seeing as the UK government are on a crusade to be the eco friendly government of the world.....ya
31 CXfirst : According to an article i read from BAA. Heathrow East will not add more gate space at all, just a new and finer terminal to look good for the London
32 Post contains images Rivet42 : Fantastic, west London to get yet another shopping mall! Now if they could have had the vision to extend T3 in an arc, similar to AMS, rather than ano
33 Glom : LHR-E is being built right in the middle of BAAs land. This isn't airport expansion, this is airport renovation. How can the NIMBY's have any ground
34 B707Stu : Though LHR is truly an awful airport to connect through, it is also, in my opinion, still the world's most exciting and diverse airport. If you can to
35 Bennett123 : It is not bad once airside, but the most exciting ??.
36 VV701 : First I should nail my colours to the mast. I am very much in favour of the proposed R3 at LHR. Yes. Compensation should be paid - full market value p
37 Zvezda : BAA should start buying those houses now.
38 Ferengi80 : Heathrow East will be a welcome improvement on Terminals 1 and 2. I've only ever had the displeasure of travelling through Terminal 1, which, frankly,
39 NYC777 : Well AA terminal at JFK was done in a similar way. They built th emidfield concourse and the main check in hall. Once that was done they ceased opera
40 Post contains images Allstarflyer : And a long walk from deplaning to get my passport stamped. Actually, I really enjoy flying into LHR, regardless of the improvements needed. -R
41 Awysbsb : Could T1 and T2 be transformed into a baggage-claim building and T3 into a check-in building? I hope the old control tower does not be demolished, sin
42 Zvezda : I think it's too late for that.
43 GDB : Well, long time in coming it may have been, but hopefully by the end of this, LHR will at last be free of the worst of the issues around the older, no
44 Rivet42 : ...indeed, and therein lies the irony, because it is so difficult to actually appreciate and enjoy that diversity! I'm not going to hark on about the
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