Fiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2437 times:
Hey guys
i just got comfirmed news that PK is going to launch non stop service on the return leg from ORD to ISB and LHE starting in July.. THis takes away any rumors about PK cancelling ORD.
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Timberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 562 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
If this is true it is nice to see that ORD may not be loosing another international airline. Will flights to New York also go non-stop?
Fiaz From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2140 times:
well i got this information from a captain working in the airline, and he said that it was comfirmed.. sorry to piss some of guys off by not stating my source...so there it is
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5): Why non nonstop service to JFK from Pakistan ? It would seem to be the higher prioity as JFK is the main destination in the USA for PIA.
Due to CAA/FAA policies, until the Pakistani airports prevent politicians from boarding without going through security, the FAA won't allow nonstop Pakistan-USA flights. However, USA-Pakistan nonstop flights are allowed.
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 4): Why one-stop to NYC at MAN when PK fly to ORD (if true) and Canada from Pakistan? It´s good to see PK use the 77L to the fullest IMO.
PK wont' be able to fly Pakistan-USA nonstop until the aforementioned situation is solved.
Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 3): If this is true it is nice to see that ORD may not be loosing another international airline. Will flights to New York also go non-stop?
...again, it would be the return leg of the journey, not the inbound.
I would also like to see PK go JFK-Pakistan nonstop also...
Quoting Fiaz (Thread starter): i just got comfirmed news that PK is going to launch non stop service on the return leg from ORD to ISB and LHE starting in July.. THis takes away any rumors about PK cancelling ORD.
... took a photo of this bad boy B772ER (AP-BGJ) a few hours ago @ ORD..
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5): Why non nonstop service to JFK from Pakistan ? It would seem to be the higher prioity as JFK is the main destination in the USA for PIA.
PK do have traffic rights on MAN-JFK, but not on ORD-MAN if I remember correctly. Though I doubt MAN-JFK is an important route for them
Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
Quoting Fiaz (Thread starter): i just got comfirmed news that PK is going to launch non stop service on the return leg from ORD to ISB and LHE starting in July.. THis takes away any rumors about PK cancelling ORD.
Did Pakistani gov't sort out the security issue... will it ever be sorted out?
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1756 times:
Quoting Humberside (Reply 8):
PK do have traffic rights on MAN-JFK, but not on ORD-MAN if I remember correctly. Though I doubt MAN-JFK is an important route for them
....respectfully incorrrect Humberside, PK does have ORD-MAN traffic rights...my family have used it a few times, that's how I know...
......the downside is very few passengers take advantage of it however....
.......PK need to do better marketing on this route....MAN-ORD-MAN is one of BD's most profitable routes
Quoting Planetime (Reply 9):
Did Pakistani gov't sort out the security issue... will it ever be sorted out?
...hi Planetime....
...unfortunately, it still hasn't been sorted out yet...
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4487 posts, RR: 43 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
i might sound a bit pessimistic here but there is no way PIA can even fill up 70% of the flight having the capacity of a B 773ER (370 seats) from ORD nonstop to PAK from mid August till late Nov i.e. in the off season thus making a loss for the airline. this nonstop flight will only be full in the summer peak season i.e. june till early august and thats it.
apart from JFK, no other U.S. city can survive a PIA nonstop flight as there isnt much traffic to warrant it. For ORD, the best solution is twice weekly LHE-MAN-ORD using the B 772ER because majority of the pax disembark in LHE and not KHI. Also via LHE, they can either drive or fly to ISB as well as take a connecting PK KHI bound flight! Plus with the MAN stopover, it will help the flight's economics as there is lot of traffic from MAN to LHE year round which would help support the flight in low season when loads from ORD are vv light.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4487 posts, RR: 43 Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
actually to be frank, if PIA really wanted to make some serious cash on its JFK & ORD flights, then both cities should be routed via DXB as it can carry 5th freedom traffic on that route + no airline flies DXB-ORD nonstop.
Twice a week LHE-DXB-ORD using a B 773ER. Time the DXB-ORD-DXB flight where as upon landing in DXB, pax can connect within 2-4 hours on a PIA A 310 flight bound for KHI & ISB from DXB.
For JFK, it should be thrice a week LHE-DXB-JFK with a B 773ER and twice a week KHI-DXB-JFK using a B 773ER. Why twice a week from KHI? Because there are multiple daily KHI-DXB flights offered by PIA which KHI pax can use to connect with the DXB-JFK flight inbound from LHE!
Planetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1554 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12): For ORD, the best solution is twice weekly LHE-MAN-ORD using the B 772ER because majority of the pax disembark in LHE
From what I heard from my Pakistani friends is that that most of the Chicago crowd usually goes to Karachi as they are mostly from that city. I could be wrong but this is what I heard.
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12): apart from JFK, no other U.S. city can survive a PIA nonstop flight as there isnt much traffic to warrant it.
I think ORD can use a nonstop. There is enough demand in that city at least with a 777LR.
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13): For JFK, it should be thrice a week LHE-DXB-JFK with a B 773ER and twice a week KHI-DXB-JFK using a B 773ER.
JFK flights could do non-stop to any Pakistani cities as there is no need to stop in DXB. Demand is enough just JFK-Pakistan.
Detroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1548 times:
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13): actually to be frank, if PIA really wanted to make some serious cash on its JFK & ORD flights, then both cities should be routed via DXB as it can carry 5th freedom traffic on that route + no airline flies DXB-ORD nonstop.
do they have the fifth freedom rights??If not, how do you know they will get them. Also if they already have the rights, I bet with the hundreds of aircraft emirates is ordering they will be a route to chicago, and even if PK does route it via DXB, my guess is they probably will loose the DXB-USA crowd.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4487 posts, RR: 43 Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 15): do they have the fifth freedom rights??If not, how do you know they will get them.
yes PIA has 5th freedom rights on the UAE-USA routes.
Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 15): even if PK does route it via DXB, my guess is they probably will loose the DXB-USA crowd.
not really...PK fly twice a week to Moscow via DXB with 5th freedom rights and pick up a lot of traffic ex DXB so much so that the route was upgraded from an A 310 to a B 772ER for a few months. PIA offers one of the cheapest J and Y class fares on this route.
Quoting Planetime (Reply 14):
From what I heard from my Pakistani friends is that that most of the Chicago crowd usually goes to Karachi as they are mostly from that city. I could be wrong but this is what I heard.
interesting...however I know for a fact that majority of the IAH-Houston pax are bound for KHI rather than LHE/ISB.
Quoting Planetime (Reply 14):
JFK flights could do non-stop to any Pakistani cities as there is no need to stop in DXB. Demand is enough just JFK-Pakistan.
I suggested the stop in DXB to tap an additional source of revenue i.e. 5th freedom especially when loads are really light in the off season.
Quoting Planetime (Reply 14): I think ORD can use a nonstop. There is enough demand in that city at least with a 777LR.
no there isnt...in the off season, the flight will struggle to even see 50% loads if its a dedicated PAK-ORD-PAK flight. Yes there might be enough demand from ORD and its adjoining areas but not everyone is gonna be flying PIA from ORD to PAK...many will take BA via LHR to ISB, some will take EK via JFK, some take TK via IST and some take QR via Europe.
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