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User currently offlineB707321C From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

I fly frequently with Southwest and is very happy with their schedule and service. On my recent flight from BUR-LAS on flight 294, on May 29th the following occurred. Due to the rather short flight, the crew decided to hand out peanuts before take-off. Five minutes later, the crew came to collect the peanuts because this was a non – peanut flight. We wore told some of the passengers had allergy against peanuts. I know this problem very well, 3 of my 4 children have serious food allergies and I know how dangerous allergic reactions can be. When I travel with my children I take responsibility for their heath, and I would never dream of imposing restriction on my fellow passenger as a result of my children’s medical condition. With this experience in mind, does this mean that I could request a non-dairy flight? No coffee with cream, no crackers with lactose, no chocolate, no cheese etc.
Does anyone know is this is common practice among airliners. I can do without the peanuts, I just think the whole situation was silly.

[Edited 2007-06-03 00:19:20]

[Edited 2007-06-03 00:20:57]

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User currently offlinePdxcof9 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

Does WN have a BUR-LAX flight? NO!
Flight 339 is from BUR-SMF. And that isn't too short of a flight to not serve peanuts.
If you are allergic to peanuts then say you don't want some. And if someone requests that they are allergic to peanut dust, WN will probably serve crackers. I don't know WN's policies.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
Does anyone know is this is common practice among airliners.

Yes, in fact. Some carriers have banned peanuts altogether simply to eliminate the issue you discuss. Someone on board has a peanut allergy, and it's not a problem. Peanuts simply aren't served by that carrier any longer.

There are people with such horrendous allergies to peanuts, even the smell can set them into fits.


User currently offlineB707321C From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Does WN have a BUR-LAX flight? NO!
Flight 339 is from BUR-SMF. And that isn't too short of a flight to not serve peanuts.
If you are allergic to peanuts then say you don't want some. And if someone requests that they are allergic to peanut dust, WN will probably serve crackers. I don't know WN's policies.

Sorry should be BUR-LAS flight 294- post corrected.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
With this experience in mind, does this mean that I could request a non-dairy flight? No coffee with cream, no crackers with lactose, no chocolate, no cheese etc.

I don't think so...the reason being, it's peanut dust that can cause a severge allergic reaction. I could be wrong (I often am), but I think you actually have to consume dairy products for the reaction to occur - you can really pick up milk dust in the air.

Quoting Pdxcof9 (Reply 1):
If you are allergic to peanuts then say you don't want some. And if someone requests that they are allergic to peanut dust, WN will probably serve crackers. I don't know WN's policies.

I think pretzels are the standard substitute. They are on every flight anyways for those people who are allergic to peanuts (but not allergic enough to need a peanut-free flight) and for those who prefer them (like me!)


User currently offlineB707321C From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Yes, in fact. Some carriers have banned peanuts altogether simply to eliminate the issue you discuss. Someone on board has a peanut allergy, and it's not a problem. Peanuts simply aren't served by that carrier any longer.

There are people with such horrendous allergies to peanuts, even the smell can set them into fits.

I know what you are saying, my children will have the same reaction towards dairy products, milk etc. So why make peanuts special. When I come to allergies the amount consumed does not make any difference. You would have the same reaction to 1/100 of a nut as the whole bag. My point however, you will always find someone who is allergic to something and peanuts are not anything more special than milk. I do not make my fellow passengers change their habits just because my children have a medical problem.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Quoting B707321C (Thread starter):
No coffee with cream, no crackers with lactose, no chocolate, no cheese etc.

These type of allergies simply cannot be compared to a peanut allergy. The peanut allergy is marked by extreme sensitivity compared to others. It's not just about not eating peanuts, but staying as far away as them as possible. Open peanuts in a relatively small environment like an aircraft cabin is definitely a legitimate health concern. Oh, and by the way, lactose intolerance is not a food allergy.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

God get over it...it is just freking peanuts......your that selfish that you cannot go with out peanuts for a short flight.....I have yet to see anyone die from lactose intolerance in under 5 mins....Peanuts allergies can and do kill very fast.....faster than an airplan can land....

We make smokers go with out ciggarettes but lets not make people go without peanuts....

Never ceases to amaze me what people will compain about....

GS



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User currently offlineB707321C From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 6):
These type of allergies simply cannot be compared to a peanut allergy



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 6):
These type of allergies simply cannot be compared to a peanut allergy. The peanut allergy is marked by extreme sensitivity compared to others

No difference, you can have the same type of senitivity towards other types of food as peanuts.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 7):
God get over it...it is just freking peanuts......your that selfish that you cannot go with out peanuts for a short flight

Its not about peanuts its about being responsible for you own condition rather than make everybody suffer.

[Edited 2007-06-03 00:45:07]

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Quoting B707321C (Reply 8):

No difference, you can have the same type of senitivity towards other types of food as peanuts.

Thats not true. There is a major difference in the severity of peanut allergies. In fact, 80% of fatal or near fatal allergic reactions are from peanuts.



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User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Personally, if I were headed to Vegas, the last thing I'd care about was whether or not I got my peanuts on the flight out there. But hey - that's just me.  Embarrassment

Quoting Pdxcof9 (Reply 1):
Does WN have a BUR-LAX flight? NO!

Was the "NO!" really neccessary? I mean, honestly. Take a chill pill, buddy.  butthead 


User currently offlineB707321C From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 9):
In fact, 80% of fatal or near fatal allergic reactions are from peanuts.

That has nothing to do with severity, but rather that peanut allergi is more common than other types.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

Quoting B707321C (Reply 11):
That has nothing to do with severity, but rather that peanut allergi is more common than other types.

Um, no, completely wrong again. Those numbers on death and severe occurrences are completely disproportionate to the percentage of people with peanut allergies. At the very most, 25% of food allergies are peanut allergies.

I suggest you make yourself more informed on this matter so you can make real contributions to this discussion.



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User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

Bring your own snacks on the plane. Problem solved!

User currently offlineEagle11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

I was on a B6 flight where the FAs came on and announced that because there was a passenger with a serious nut allergy that they would not be serving any snacks containing peanuts on the flight.

It was fine with me. I just had the animal crackers!  Wink

The last thing I would have wanted to see was someone getting seriously ill because of their allergy. Better to be safe in that situation.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 4):

I don't think so...the reason being, it's peanut dust that can cause a severge allergic reaction. I could be wrong (I often am), but I think you actually have to consume dairy products for the reaction to occur - you can really pick up milk dust in the air.

You are esentially correct, HOWEVER;

There is a key difference between Peatnut allergy and Lactose Intolerance. Peanut allergy is caused by an allergin known as "Peanut 1". Severety varies from person to person, and it is an immunological response. It occurs becasue the immune system "reacts disproportionately to the level of threat" which the allergin presents. The human immune system has a "primary" and a "secondary" response. Secondary response is much quicker because the anti-bodies are already synthysed (these are known as "memoty cells"). Hence why you see such severe and immediate responses to peantus, cod fish, shrimp and even soy.

Lactose intolerance, on the other hand is a deffiency in an enzyme. Lactose Intolerance is, in actual fact, the correct form of the gene. The gene responsible for transcribing Lactase is normally switched off as one passes through adolesence, and into adulthood. But in many North Europeans this does not happen. People with lactose intolerance, are not, as such, allergic to milk or dairy. They simply do not posses an enzyme to dreak down lactose into glucose, and associated products. Therefore it remains in the lumen of the gut, where bacteria act on it. Thus the bloated sensation, flatulence and diarrhoea.

Quoting B707321C (Reply 5):
When I come to allergies the amount consumed does not make any difference. You would have the same reaction to 1/100 of a nut as the whole bag. My point however, you will always find someone who is allergic to something and peanuts are not anything more special than milk. I do not make my fellow passengers change their habits just because my children have a medical problem.

No, the amount consumed wont necessarily be directly proportional to the amount consumed. Once the response has begun, it takes its own course. A good dose of adrenaline (epinepherine) and steriods should help the patient back to health.

Quoting B707321C (Reply 11):
That has nothing to do with severity, but rather that peanut allergi is more common than other types.

Not correct. It has everything to do with severity. The response varies very much between people, and from one anaphalaxis to the next. I have heard of cases where the meere smell of peanut brings on the reaction. It would also be concieveable that even the sight of peanuts could bring on a reaction, if one had already occured when that person ate peanuts in the past. Although I could not say if such an event has actually occured.

Hope I have cleared up a few 'urban myths'

Brian.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 15):
You are esentially correct, HOWEVER;

There is a key difference between Peatnut allergy and Lactose Intolerance. Peanut allergy is caused by an allergin known as "Peanut 1". Severety varies from person to person, and it is an immunological response. It occurs becasue the immune system "reacts disproportionately to the level of threat" which the allergin presents. The human immune system has a "primary" and a "secondary" response. Secondary response is much quicker because the anti-bodies are already synthysed (these are known as "memoty cells"). Hence why you see such severe and immediate responses to peantus, cod fish, shrimp and even soy.

Lactose intolerance, on the other hand is a deffiency in an enzyme. Lactose Intolerance is, in actual fact, the correct form of the gene. The gene responsible for transcribing Lactase is normally switched off as one passes through adolesence, and into adulthood. But in many North Europeans this does not happen. People with lactose intolerance, are not, as such, allergic to milk or dairy. They simply do not posses an enzyme to dreak down lactose into glucose, and associated products. Therefore it remains in the lumen of the gut, where bacteria act on it. Thus the bloated sensation, flatulence and diarrhoea.

Dang...way above my knowledge!  Wink


User currently offlineSphealey From United States of America, joined May 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

This whole issue poses a real problem for my family when we travel. So far we have switched primarily to driving for vacations, and when we do fly with the allergic family member we don't go Southwest (my preferred business airline). Even if a Southwest flight were declared "no nuts", my belief is that there is so much peanut dust ground into the carpet and seats that a severely allergic person would still be at risk.

I have no idea how this problem can be solved (there are some promising lines of cure for peanut allergy, but IMHO they are at least 10 years away). Even with a nut allergy in the family I don't think it is fair to try to bludgeon other people into following our restrictions. Yet having people restricted to driving distance for the rest of their lives through no fault of their own is a bit harsh too.

sPh


User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

I do not know about you guys but I am not going on any plane unless I can bring my nuts with me on board. LOL JK JK Don't lynch me I could not resist. In seriousness though peanut dust is a big risk on an airplane if you have a passenger that is allergic. Than you have a lawsuit but I do miss eagle nuts on USAirways.


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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1457 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Yes, we cater to people who request a no-peanut flight...and I agree 100% GET OVER IT!

You specifically used the word "suffer" in regards to getting no peanuts....most carriers don't offer ANYTHING on flights are short as ours so you're lucky to get anything at all. ALSO, most carriers don't offer peanuts anymore either.

I do think it's a bit rediculous that you'd fly WN if you had a peanut dust allergy because we serve peanuts ALL day most days and they get all over everything....so even if we do pretzel service instead there's peanut dust everywhere.....HOWEVER, the ocmpany has chosen to honor this request....probably to avoid legal action, but, in the end what's the big deal?



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 13):
Bring your own snacks on the plane. Problem solved!

Wrong, problem worse, as then there's uncontrolled peanuts aboard if that's what you bring. I often by trail mix at LAX T6 and it is full of peanuts and other nuts processed in peanut plants...

Quoting Sphealey (Reply 17):
Yet having people restricted to driving distance for the rest of their lives through no fault of their own is a bit harsh too.

This is really more of a modern problem because in the past, people with such allergies would die at a very young age without people knowing the cause. I don't know the answer to how to deal with it, because it is not fair to the world to ban foods because someone is so sensitive that being near them can kill them, but I also wouldn't want to be responsible for killing anyone with my peanuts.



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User currently offlineAA787823 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6401 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
Wrong, problem worse, as then there's uncontrolled peanuts aboard if that's what you bring. I often by trail mix at LAX T6 and it is full of peanuts and other nuts processed in peanut plants...

Then thats THEIR problem. I bought a ticket, I have a right to eat any damn thing I want. If they dont like it they can get off the plane.


User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 19):
most carriers don't offer ANYTHING on flights are short as ours so you're lucky to get anything at all

I agree with you here. The only time I flew WN was last summer, OAK-RNO-OAK. I give the crews full credit, they did a full beverage service both ways. Taking into account takeoff and landing, the actual service time must be barely over 25 mins. Those who wanted alcohol, even got that too. Living in Canada, it is difficult for me to fly Southwest often, believe me when I get the occasion I will.
Cheers,
AY104



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User currently offlineSphealey From United States of America, joined May 2005, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

> This is really more of a modern problem because in the past, people with such
> allergies would die at a very young age without people knowing the cause.'

Interestingly enough that turns out not to be the case. The entire issue of food allergies in general, and nut allergies in particular, is very bizarre, counterintuitive, and not well understood by science. However, one thing that is known is that nut allergies have increased by a factor of 3x - 5x throughout the developed world (not just the United States) since 1970. No one knows why.

> I don't know the answer to how to deal with it, because it is not fair to the
> world to ban foods because someone is so sensitive that being near them
> can kill them,

Keeping in mind that I agree with your general point, one thing that you find when you have to check every package is that food processing companies have taken to adding nuts and/or nut products into a very large percentage of packaged foods - many that you would never suspect if you didn't check the label. Presumably they do this to get some protein without raising the bad fat levels too much, but the practice is also a bit bizarre when you figure it out.

sPh


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1457 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6287 times:

Quoting AY104 (Reply 22):
Then thats THEIR problem. I bought a ticket, I have a right to eat any damn thing I want. If they dont like it they can get off the plane.

You bought a ticket....you have the right to do ANYTHING that won't affect another passenger and is within the confines of the law.

Eating nuts has become a bit like smoking, it's not something that can necessarily be kept to oneself. If you're so BOLD and UNCARING as to purposefuly compromise the health of someone else just to flex your "IT'S MY RIGHT" muscle....then the only point you're making is that you're a jerk.

Remember this little tantrum you all are having over PEANUTS next time the aircraft diverts b/c a poor little 6 y/o kid goes into shock (been there...it wasn't pretty).

The more I read from some of you the less faith I have in the general population. People are so selfish, lazy, uncaring, inconsiderate, unappreciative, conceited, rude......it's disgusting. The fact that ANYONE is even arguing for their RIGHT to eat a nut...in a plane....on a short flight (as originally posted) and KNOWINGLY compromising the health and safety of someone else....proves my stance on the population.

[Edited 2007-06-03 03:26:25]


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
25 B707321C : Not the point, you can have equally strong reaction to other products. eg. dairy products. I just love that kind of statement, I have dealt with thes
26 MD88Captain : Amen to WNCrew. "I have the right to eat anything I want..." Another all-about-me idiot without a shred of common decency. Someone in row 1 eating pea
27 2175301 : As a person with many allergies: Peanut allergies can be very serious - and yes even the exposure to peanut dust can cause very severe reactions in so
28 CXfirst : this might be true, but peanut allergies can be picked up from peanut dust travelling through the plane, and they can cause deadly reactions. Lactose
29 ChiGB1973 : I agree, peanuts are great, animal crackers better. I think that the staff should have just served animal crackers and not essentially called someone
30 Luvfa : Its the "Peanut Free Option" that allows us to serve Peanuts in the first place! During the mid 90's airlines were asked to establish "Peanut Free Zon
31 Boston92 : Wait, you mean to tell me that on some airplanes, they actually hand out edible food; for FREE? -Signed, American Airlines Frequent Traveler
32 Tsaord : I know of a girl who kissed her boyfriend on the lips. She died right after that. Cause? Her boyfriend ate peanuts a couple of hours before and it cau
33 SW733 : Wasn't it that she ate the candy bar and he died? But yes, I remember hearing that a year or two ago.
34 Teo747 : Let's see... Option #1: I only get pretzels on the hour long flight instead of peanuts, even though on most airlines I'd get exactly no food at all. O
35 USAIRWAYS321 : Wow. Comparing the effects and severity of second-hand smoke and peanuts in the cabin? Congratulations on the overstatement of the year.
36 Post contains images Concorde1518 : Just on a lighter note, you mean to tell me there's someone here that actually wants the peanuts?? Man, I'm so happy when they don't serve peanuts...
37 RoseFlyer : Back when I was in middle school, I knew someone who died of a severe peanut allergy. A very small amount of peanut dust or residue in food can cause
38 Rampart : Lactose intolerance is not a food allergy, correct. Milk allergy IS, and there is such a thing, apart from lactose intolerance, and I should know. On
39 Silver1SWA : DUDE! Get the following point into your damn head already!!! Numerous people have already stated the difference!!! READ! Thank you CXfirst. Dairy all
40 SirOmega : I just bring a bag of licorice for myself. Red vines FTW.
41 BrianDromey : There is a school of thought that because we now live in a world where we are exposed to fewer and fewer allergins, the immune system is not as good
42 SJC4Me : Peanuts don't even taste good. Just offer Ritz Chips on all the flights. Those are damn tasty.
43 Post contains images Andz : That would have been three minutes too late to take my peanuts back Do passengers over there wait patiently for the crew to give the go ahead to open
44 Silentbob : Personal responsibility doesn't exist in the US anymore.
45 2175301 : Ignorance at its worst. People who have severe allergies cannot control them with common antihistamines (trust me I know). There are really only two
46 FLYGUY767 : Seriously on a 45 minute flight you cannot go without peanuts? It may be funny to you, but the thought of a person that is allergic to peanuts inhali
47 Post contains images ANCFlyer : This thread is done.
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