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User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4184 times:

Hi everyone,
I thought that as BHX is my local airport i will start a new thread containing all recent BHX news, over the last few weeks and months these new services have started:

- Aer arran started a 6 times weekly ATR-72 flight from Waterford.
- BMI are basing an Airbus A320 at weekends to operate charter flights.
- Balkan Holidays has returned only with a once weekly A320 flight.
- Norwegian have started a four times weekly service from Warsaw using 733.
- European aircharter have returned with a once weekly 732 Faro service.
- Flyglobespan have started a new Toronto Hamilton service
- Adria have returned from Ljubljana with a mix of aircraft
- Whoosh have started with a twice daily dundee service using ATR-42.
- KTHY have started a once weekly service with 737-800

Ryanair have recently announced a new 6 weekly Shannon service from November but that shocked me as they pulled their Gerona and Murcia routes from BHX in 2004 over landing fees.

All this is good news for BHX and if there is anything i have missed please feel free to add it.

One offs in June 2007 include

- VLM from Rotterdam on 5th.
- Titan airways from STN on 8th
- Croatian from SPU on 14th and 21st
- Transavia from AMS on 16th and 18th
- Cirrus from doncaster on 19th and Lyon on 21st
- Airlinair from CDG on 21st
- Corsair 744 from BSL on 22nd
- Hello from ZRH on 23rd
- Blue line from Dole on 23rd
- Corsair A330 from BSL on 24th

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User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Oh yes, i forgot the Air Transat from Toronto twice a week using A310.

If anyone has any further news about BHX please mention it on here, also how do you think these new services will do and do you think they are sustainable?


User currently offlineLentini2001 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Does anyone know of a British Airways diversion to BHX today? The callsign was Speedbird 614 and there is no BA flight of 614 (and no BA flights to BHX which is why I made sure that was the callsign a few times on my scanner before posting!!) could it of been using a reserved flight number for a medical diversion or some other diversion?

User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Hi Lentini2001,
What time was the diversion?


User currently offlineLentini2001 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Thats the thing, I dont know if it was a diversion, thats what I'm trying to ascertain.

It was before the Continental went at 09:10 so it was pretty early between 08:00 and 09:00

I remember either the Captain or First Officer thanking BHX 'for all their help' as it departed.


User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

I think i know what you heard , it wasnt British airways, it was Freebird 614, it went at 8:50 ish this morning to Dalaman, hope this helps

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

When did FR operate anything else other than DUB ??
I didnt thik they had any other services than that .. ??
Hasnt SN also upgraded the aircraft they use their now also ??
Any news on NW/AA/DL yet ??

Have heard from various people that DL/AA are interested in JFK and NW in DTW....

NW is obviously wishful thinking for me..

One of my friends whos a business development manager at BHX said they had been in talks with NW but havent asked her recently how they have got on...

J

 Smile


User currently offlineLentini2001 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

Quoting Revo (Reply 5):
I think i know what you heard , it wasnt British airways, it was Freebird 614, it went at 8:50 ish this morning to Dalaman, hope this helps

It does help - I thought I was going mad, cheers for clearing that up - you can see how I got confused there  Smile  Smile


User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6):



Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6):
When did FR operate anything else other than DUB ??
I didnt thik they had any other services than that .. ??
Hasnt SN also upgraded the aircraft they use their now also ??
Any news on NW/AA/DL yet ??

Have heard from various people that DL/AA are interested in JFK and NW in DTW....

Hi, Ryanair did operate flights using 737-200 to Gerona and Murcia for about 6 months up until April 2004.
Yes SN has upgraded three of the 6 daily flights to 737-300/400.
Also it would be interesting if these rumours about NW/AA/DL were to come true, would be nice to see another US airline at BHX


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3874 times:
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I believe Brit Air/Air France have announced plans for a BHX-LYS service from September/October.

User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 9):
I believe Brit Air/Air France have announced plans for a BHX-LYS service from September/October.

I hadn't heard about that but i have just been on AF website and they are available for booking, its a twice daily flight.


User currently offlineHammerb32 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Some amazing fares on the direct flights to Lyon, £368 one way I've just been offered!!

User currently offlineLentini2001 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

I still think Continental have it tied up at BHX though. They have become so complacent that I dont even think they are bothering with the 2nd daily EWR service now this year (reduced it to 3 times a week last year from every day and then only in the summer months instead of being year round)

Much as I'd like to see AA / UA back etc to give me a choice (I either go to Newark at 9 am every day from my local airport or I dont go to the US at all unless I go to MAN or LHR) I cant see any other US carrier back at BHX any time soon which is a shame.


User currently offlineHammerb32 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Lentini,

Got to agree with you, CO make a killing from BHX and in all fairness are very protective of it, whenever other airlines come sniffing they announce they're going double daily and then revert back when the potential competition is put off. I still think our best bet is the return of AA if the new owners can attract them?

On a different subject I understand security at BHX is the subject of tomorrow 'tonight with Trevor MacDonald' on ITV, quite worrying as the head os US homeland security is calling for the CO service to be grounded until the problems are sorted.....


User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Quoting Revo (Reply 1):
If anyone has any further news about BHX please mention it on here, also how do you think these new services will do and do you think they are sustainable?

While any new routes are good, nearly all of them are charter flights for tour operators, or at least seasonal flights that fit in with holidays. Without the tour operators these flights probably wouldn't happen.

The only true new routes are Warsaw, Dundee, Waterford and Lyon (which is an old BAcon route) I think Warsaw will prove be be a winner if marketed correctly, just surprised it had to be norweigan, should have been bmibaby really. Not sure about Dundee, interesting, but uncharted territory really. Waterford will probably do ok, most Ireland-BHX flights do.

Any truth in the rumour that flyglobespan are going to base 2 737s at BHX for the usual Spanish routes?


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 902 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

The Europeanair to Faro seems to have been withdrawn, it was sold by AVRO/Cosmos and they have just dropped everybody on the the Monarch service ( what a suprise)

User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 14):
Any truth in the rumour that flyglobespan are going to base 2 737s at BHX for the usual Spanish routes?

I haven't heard of that either, where have you guys been getting this info, first about Britair and now Flyglobespan, the only good website i know for BHX is www.thebhx.co.uk


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3694 times:
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Quoting Lentini2001 (Reply 12):
They have become so complacent that I dont even think they are bothering with the 2nd daily EWR service now this year



Quoting Hammerb32 (Reply 13):
make a killing from BHX and in all fairness are very protective of it, whenever other airlines come sniffing they announce they're going double daily and then revert back when the potential competition is put off

I have a feeling it's more fundamental than that. More than enough profit can be made with a single daily BUT as soon as extra capacity (in the form of addtional frequencies) in introduced, perhaps not enough premium passengers are attracted to it for it be profitable for them.


User currently offlineRevo From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Has anyone also heard any more about Flygibraltar and Alajnihah that were supposed to start to BHX this year.

User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Quoting Hammerb32 (Reply 13):
On a different subject I understand security at BHX is the subject of tomorrow 'tonight with Trevor MacDonald' on ITV, quite worrying as the head os US homeland security is calling for the CO service to be grounded until the problems are sorted.....

Well, reading on another "rumour" based website, it seems it only gets worse. Apparently there was an incident concerning the visiting Corsair 747 over the weekend. Overnight it seems someone enetered the aircraft, the crew returned the next day to find the door seals broken and some tampering inside the aircraft.

It comes to something when an airline can't leave an aircraft overnight. And to think BIA and ICTS know about the TV programme tomorrow and are saying investigations are in place and security is not an issue....


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

For years there have been rumours of another Middle Eastern carrier flying from BHX.

I do remember when Gulf Traveller (low cost subsidary or Gulf Air) annouced a new service to BAH and AUH, but neither of these have materialised. But I have heard people suggesting Qatar and Etihad would be interested in flying from the airport.

Im not sure if their would be much demand as Emirates successfully operate a twice daily service with a 777-200 and A330-200. This has on occassions been 777-300's operating the route.

I agree the likelihood of another US carrier operating from the airport is unlikely. With London only being down the road, many people would rather take the trip down the M40 and get on a direct flght. Also BHX's catchment areas overlap with the London airports and Manchester for people living north and south of the city. Also airlines like SilverJet are probably attracting some premium traffic on the NYC route away from BHX to LTN for businessmen living in the South Midlands.

I can't believe BHX got overtaken by Luton earlier this year with higher passenger numbers, and hope they manage to turn around their downturn in passenger numbers which they have been reporting for the last year or so.

Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 19):
Apparently there was an incident concerning the visiting Corsair 747 over the weekend. Overnight it seems someone enetered the aircraft, the crew returned the next day to find the door seals broken and some tampering inside the aircraft.

Have those dodgy people from nearby Chelmsley Wood been braking into the airport again?  Wink

[Edited 2007-06-04 00:08:23]

User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 20):
I do remember when Gulf Traveller (low cost subsidary or Gulf Air) annouced a new service to BAH and AUH, but neither of these have materialised. But I have heard people suggesting Qatar and Etihad would be interested in flying from the airport.

I remember when I worked at the airport, I met a chap from GF, he said that they had been looking at BHX but then EK got in there first and well.... that was that...

So I guess they tried to give GTrav ago but that didnt materialise either... shame really as im sure it would have been quite succesfull as a lower cost model... theres quite a few pax that would like to trav to AUH/DXB for cheaper than EK's fares.. or even for connecting flights off to the far east... a lot of backpackers would go for that..

Im sure a new american carrier will come back to the airport.. I wouldnt expect anything larger than a 757 route... after all BHX is rather a thin destinations for longer haul routes that way.. best bet would be NW...or even UA..not that UA are sending 757's accross the atlantic..but a daily 757 flight to ORD would actually work Id imagine..one for AA I guess.

I know a lot of my clients alone who travel to DTW/ORD and have to travel down to London first, they are not neccessarily flying just point to point.. a lot of clients I deal with fly to places like peoria, IL or other cities within the Indiana, Ohio, Michigan area... Im sure Im not the only agent that sells a lot of seats that way from the midlands.

In my opinion, the airport should concentrate on generating new services that have not historically been served... flights to VCE, OSL, IST would be winners in my opinion... even if they are low cost routes by WW or even attracting U2..

The initiating of LIS by WW in my opinion should be a winner once people are aware of it.. I think WW should actually target the business travellers more..they have a golden opportunity with the withdrawl of Bacon... even if BE took over some of the routes... they operate a lot of routes that business travellers use and these travellers, although cost conscious, are looking for quickness and would rather fly locally than travel up to MAN or down to LHR.

So... thats my opinion regarding BHX..

Any idea if PK will be pulling any flights or upgrading to 777's ?

And regarding this whole corsair issue... there must be a logical explaination... I mean... it doesnt make sense... why would anyone want to break seals on the door and 'tamper' with the interior ?? whatever that means ??
I imagine it could have been a wreckless dispatcher or ramp agent, maybe the dispatcher forgot something onboard and went back after it was all locked up.. unlikely but possible..
Maybe some cleaners ?? I very much doubt it would have been anyone other than airport staff ... if it was parked off stand, I couldnt see how someone would have managed to get all th way over to it just to tamper with the interior..
hahaha... ok thats just my reasonings...  Wink

Joe


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Quoting Hammerb32 (Reply 11):
Some amazing fares on the direct flights to Lyon, £368 one way I've just been offered!!

Is that meant to be sarcastic? £368 could get you a return flight to Los Angeles!


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 6):
Have heard from various people that DL/AA are interested in JFK and NW in DTW....

DTW would be fantastic. No doubt on a 757 fitted out like the ones for BDL-AMS. Though I'm not optimistic about the chances of it happening.


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

What is the arrival time for the AI 187 DEL-ATQ-BHX service? What time does it leave for YYZ?? How does the load on the flight look to YYZ and ATQ??


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25 HUYfan : The AF Lyon schedule is terrible, and offers neither end a business day return. Regards Mike
26 BHXDTW : Anyone know the loads generally on the AI services ?? any idea if they could upgrade this to a 744 service ??... not likely I know.. also any new news
27 Lentini2001 : Dont think you'll even see a hole being dug to begin the runway extension before 2010. Thats just my guesstimate - I dont have any further info. Regar
28 COEI2007 : Got it in one. Some days both flights were full, but most days the first flight left with maybe 60% load, and the second left with about 30%.
29 Lentini2001 : Well it always seems to be full now. At least 90% I'd say.
30 JWMD123 : just asked on the Irish aviation thread but will try here also. I flew back from BHX today on EI273 to DUB at 14.30 However another EI bird pulled up
31 Revo : Hi the other EI would have been from/to Cork as EI726/727
32 Revo : Just found out the ORK EI726/727 service is to go daily from October using A320 arriving 14:15 departing 14:45.
33 Hammerb32 : I guess they're aiming at the business market, in all fairness there were cheaper fares around but picking a random date in October returned that fai
34 Hammerb32 : Forgot to mention in the last post, an article in todays Bham Post about a new low cost long haul carrier caller Air Shylet looking to start services
35 Humberside : I think its a case of reduced winter demand on GLA, EDI and MME, with those airports having less aircraft based. So they need to go somewhere, and th
36 Rdwootty : frankly the possibility of a globespan flight programme fills me with horror. i have a soft feeling for them BUT this summer has been a total disaster
37 BHXDTW : how often have we heard rumors like this tho.. wasnt an airline called air poo supposed to start similar routes a while ago ???
38 Post contains images Speedbirdie : Oh My God.. I was in tears of sadness before I read that post.. Now I cant stop laughing!! Thankyou
39 Revo : Is there a pattern of some kind for the C-17 or C-130 to come in to BHX or is it just when they need to
40 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Don't think anyone would want to be flying out of BHX at all based on last nights ITV show ! Is security really that crap ? Anyone here work at BHX ?
41 Lentini2001 : It was shocking wasn't it? Disgusted that its my local airport and a flight I use a lot.
42 Post contains images BHXDTW : I used to work at BHX... unfortunatley I didnt see the show.. (if anyone knows a link where I can see it online Id appreciate it) I heard that it cove
43 Post contains images MainMAN : I think it was nearly impossible for BHX and MAN to secure Ryanair or easyJet a few years ago. Not so long ago, BA was ordering Airbus 318s for their
44 Lentini2001 : I too know someone who worked for ICTS back in 1999 to 2001 at BHX. He said they were an absolute joke but cant say more about certain things on here
45 Revo : A few years ago i thought Jet airways were going to fly to BHX so what happened to that??
46 BA787 : That programme was shocking, and really scary. To say we are supposed to be fighting a war on terro, first we need to fight the war on some quite fran
47 Post contains images Mk777 : I doubt that will happen especially now that BRU will be thier mini-hub for flights to north america. I think 9W will only concentrate on LHR in the
48 Revo : Air Indias schedule are: Arr BHX 14:45 AI187 from DEL B772 mon, wed, fri, sat, sun Dep BHX 16:15 AI187 to YYZ B772 Mon, wed, fri, sat, sun Arr BHX 09:
49 MainMAN : In April, AI carried 3393 passengers between BHX and DEL (and ATQ too, although the CAA website doesn't list how many travel to either). It doesn't s
50 Post contains images Lentini2001 : They have all been suspended now but no doubt it'll be 'against their human rights' to not allow them to have a sleep on the job or take drugs next I
51 BHXDTW : The thing is... Im thinking how bad are other airports ?? surely BHX isnt the only place thats got crap security staff... ?? by the way ... anyone got
52 GayrugbyMAN : I really don't envisage you'll see DL at BHX, espeically now since they can get hold of uber profitable LHR slots.
53 BHXDTW : Yeah.. thats what im scared of... but you could say the same about CO... they may get slots (and if im correct I think KL are helping them get those
54 Post contains images Lentini2001 : Why did AA even stop? I always thought they made a decent return on the cargo side of things on the BHX-ORD flight even if it wasn't so full of passen
55 Hammerb32 : AA did very well on pax and cargo, in the summer of 2000 it was pretty much a complete sell out for the entire season. After 9/11 AA had to make thei
56 Revo : Weren't AA supposed to be flying from JFK or was that just a rumour that wasn't true?
57 Lentini2001 : Hammerb32 - thanks for that. Another prime example of BHX shooting itself in the foot.
58 EMAlad : I am not that impressed with BHX at the moment seeing as we had a 6 hour delay to Edinburgh recently because of fog! And a 2 1/2 hour delay on the way
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