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WN 737 Landing Gear Collapse In OAK  
User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16121 times:

Apparently a WN 737 had a landing gear malfunction, causing it to skid out on the Oakland runway at about 4pm today PDT. Anyone have details on this, I am stuck in ONT on an indefinitely delayed flight to OAK because of this, but the only information I can find is on a local TV stations site (KTVU, channel 2).

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User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16038 times:

Just got off the phone with a friend..... don't really have details on this but...

She was on a flight (working) that was following the WN plane in.... and with the situation they ended up having to go around.

It sounds like a lot of people at the airport saw what happened and were kinda shakin up. She said everybody in the airport were talkin about it after she got off the plane to head to her layover.

I know this isn't any sort of 'factual' information but this is just what I heard from my FA friend.

It sounds as though it was the nose gear only that collapsed. Again- no confirmed info just what I heard from someone who saw the plane and heard some details from the pilots.


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15997 times:

http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_154195935.html

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15976 times:

KGO TV in Bay area is reporting that it was flight 3050 (SMF-SAN) and that it landed at OAK and the nose gear collapsed as it did so. No injuries. Aircraft is probably on their long runway (11/29, using 29), which would be closed for awhile. The delays are from having all their air carrier traffic having to use a shorter runway on the east side of the airport (09R/27L, using 27L).

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15884 times:

Look at the track coming into OAK




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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15712 times:



User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15637 times:

OPLN, what would be the dispatcher's duty after the nose gear problem was first discovered? I assume the pilots would contact you guys first right or would they go directly to maintenance?


The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15454 times:

I saw it live -- was out at Oyster Bay Shoreline with my wife, kids, and AltairF28. We weren't really paying too much attention, eating lunch at a bench, when we saw a WN flying by without landing, and figured it was a simple go-around, but weren't really sure why -- no one was holding in position, etc. We watched him do a pretty small pattern and come by and not land again, and at that point pulled out my little hand-held airband radio and poked around until we stumbled onto the WN company frequency. Heard the flight crew talking with MX cntrl and/or dispatch, discussing details of hydraulics, landing gear indicators, etc. He did several laps while they were troubleshooting it, and then came in to land. Main gear hit OK, little puffs of white smoke as any normal landing, but when nose went down it was clear it went too far and there was lots of the white smoke. We were blocked by the terminal building but at least knew there was no big fire, we'd have seen that. There were lots of sirens for the next 30-45 mins. Glad to hear everyone got out OK!

There was a WN 737-700 out holding short of the runway to depart, and he sat there for a very long time, at least 20 mins, after it happened, before eventually taxiing back towards the terminal via the runway. I'm not sure why he stayed out there so long, anyone know?


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15375 times:

I'm off on vacation, so this is a general response. When situations like this arise, that is, something that isn't a time-critical emergency (like a fire), the PIC contacts the dispatcher, and they discuss the issue and the options in dealing with it. We also have the comm ability to patch-in maintenance, as needed, to lend their expertise.

Some years ago, one of my SoCal-SMF flights called me up at about the halfway point to advise that he'd just lost his "A" system hydraulics. The aircraft was still flyable using the "B" system, and, of course, would have been out of service on arrival at SMF, where we use contract maintenance and not our own. Getting our own maintenance folks from OAK-SMF would taken awhile, and they might not know exactly what parts to take until they'd looked at the aircraft themselves. I sent the flight to OAK, and had plenty of time to set-up his being towed off the runway (this aircraft had nosewheel steering only from the "A" system). Our local ops had them towed off in a couple of minutes, and the airport never missed a beat, i.e. no holding. There as an aircraft swap was made and the folks went OAK-SMF, arriving about :40 behind their original ETA.

Landing nosegear up isn't "routine" in and of itself, but the method of how these and other situations is routine, i.e. you communicate and don't make unilateral decisions that might not be based on the latest info (like weather at diversion airports, etc. etc.). Dispatchers (at all airlines) are prepared to handle these kinds of situations at any time, just as pilots are, even if they don't do so every day.

Hope this helps...


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15291 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 7):
There was a WN 737-700 out holding short of the runway to depart, and he sat there for a very long time, at least 20 mins, after it happened, before eventually taxiing back towards the terminal via the runway. I'm not sure why he stayed out there so long, anyone know?

Generally speaking, when there's an emergency on an airport, it doesn't necessarily end once the aircraft comes to a stop on the runway. There are emergency vehicles all over the place, and it takes a few minutes to assess the condition of the aircraft (hot brakes, any fire/smoke etc.). With an airliner fuselage obviously sitting on the runway, an aircraft isn't going to be moved within 15-20 minutes, and ATC probably needed a few minutes for things to settle down as they started working to get airline ops on 27R going. That runway is only 6,200 feet and change long, so there might have been some fuelstops made necessary due to the closure of the longer 29.


User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15276 times:

That aircraft was to continue on from SAN to TUS-ABQ-MCI. WN has found a replacement aircraft that is currently en-route from SAN-TUS. It will be late, but at least the passengers will get where they need to go.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8803


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15209 times:

Is there any restrictions for takeoff on 27L since its only 6200 ft. How long is 11/29 going to be shut down for?


"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14841 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):
Generally speaking, when there's an emergency on an airport, it doesn't necessarily end once the aircraft comes to a stop on the runway. There are emergency vehicles all over the place, and it takes a few minutes to assess the condition of the aircraft (hot brakes, any fire/smoke etc.). With an airliner fuselage obviously sitting on the runway, an aircraft isn't going to be moved within 15-20 minutes, and ATC probably needed a few minutes for things to settle down as they started working to get airline ops on 27R going.

Makes sense, I'd have thought they'd know certainly one place he didn't need to be was out there at an indefinitely-closed runway, but I guess that's a nice safe out-of-the-way place for him. It seems like one of the biggest problems using 27L, both from watching after the incident and from looking at the charts, is needing 1-way traffic on twy B, either inbound or outbound, between the 27's and the passenger ramp.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):

That runway is only 6,200 feet and change long, so there might have been some fuelstops made necessary due to the closure of the longer 29.

I didn't realize it was that short. Dunno which flight that was waiting, they certainly could have been unsure of whether they wanted to head straight to 27L or go back to a gate to offload payload and/or fuel if they were too heavy, and it certainly would be convenient for ground/tower to have one less tail to worry about while they sorted everything else out.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14770 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
Is there any restrictions for takeoff on 27L since its only 6200 ft.

Depends upon the overall weight of the aircraft, but short-haul flights should be OK, but longer ones might need to hop over to SJC, SMF, or RNO to take advantage of the longer runways there, until 11/29 re-opens that is.

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
How long is 11/29 going to be shut down for?

I wouldn't be surprised if they have it cleared by the start of Monday morning's operation. Get a crane/sling and a flatbed, and tow it off to a maintenace area where it can then be jacked. I've got a video around of an Eastern 727-200 that made a nosegear-up landing at MIA, and that's how it went with that one, and some others I've seen.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14661 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 12):
It seems like one of the biggest problems using 27L, both from watching after the incident and from looking at the charts, is needing 1-way traffic on twy B, either inbound or outbound, between the 27's and the passenger ramp.

Yeah, I meant 27L. It doesn't make for a terribly efficient operation to use it, but when 11/29 is closed, it's not exactly like one has other alternatives, so you muddle through the best you can until 11/29 re-opens.


User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14483 times:

Well, we ended delayed only by about an hour in ONT, and had a fun experience landing on the shorter runway, though I suspect there are some less than happy people who are endearing noise from the adjusted approach pattern. As of 7pm, the plane was still out on the runway, and OAK was a mob scence inside, but things seemed to be moving. Don't know where Fed Ex and UPS are going to land their heavies, 6200 is tight for a MD11 or DC10 fully loaded.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14405 times:

Quoting Aeroman62 (Reply 15):
Don't know where Fed Ex and UPS are going to land their heavies, 6200 is tight for a MD11 or DC10 fully loaded.

...it'd be even worse getting them out of OAK using 27L.

I'm wondering if they'll be running the OAK flights split up between SJC and SFO just for tonight...


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14350 times:

Quoting Aeroman62 (Reply 15):
6200 is tight for a MD11 or DC10 fully loaded.

Those need a minimum of 7000ft according to Wilco, the MD-11 FO at Lufthansa Cargo, it will be interesting what happens.



"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineFutureATP From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14323 times:

My sisters ONT-PHX flight was delayed today because of this. She called me asked why her flight was delayed because of a problem in Oakland. I couldn't tell her as nothing hit the news that i could find but I told her that is probably where her aircraft was coming from and was probably just delayed getting out.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14177 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 11):
How long is 11/29 going to be shut down for?

Latest NOTAM says it'll be back open at 0600 local time...

A0221/07 (06/002) - RUNWAY CLOSED 11/29 04 JUN 08:30 2007 UNTIL 04 JUN 13:00 2007


User currently offlineShannoninAMA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14111 times:

Anyone know what Reg it was?  Smile




Shannon


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13963 times:

Quoting Aeroman62 (Reply 15):
Don't know where Fed Ex and UPS are going to land their heavies, 6200 is tight for a MD11 or DC10 fully loaded.

I saw a FedEx MD11 on final for OAK around 1800 local, confirmed by flightaware:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX963


User currently offlineUPS757Pilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13908 times:

Quoting Aeroman62 (Reply 15):
Don't know where Fed Ex and UPS are going to land their heavies, 6200 is tight for a MD11 or DC10 fully loaded.

Luckily we've got only 1 scheduled departure, 767 OAK-PHL but it looks like it had diverted to SJC on the inbound . Not a problem on a Sunday night.

[Edited 2007-06-04 06:08:23]

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1983 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13801 times:

I believe it's N356SW, a -300.


My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineFutureSDPDcop From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1293 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13801 times:

Ah man! I missed my chance to take off from the north field. Was scheduled to fly WN 220 (OAK-SAN) this evening. Canceled my trip up to the Bay Area this weekend however. It's probably for the best. Flight 220 is only delayed 10 minutes as of now. That could still change in the next 30 minutes though.

25 Post contains links 3201 : Definitely NOT fully loaded... but depending on the slope and obstacle situation (neither of which I know), and the temperature, a DC10-30 may be abl
26 B52overSMF : Hmmm... I'm curious as to what the cause will end up being. I'll have to get in contact with one of my ramper buddies for WN at SMF and see what he he
27 Airbuster : I find it strange they didn't do an emergency evacuation on the runway, the overwing escape hatches seem not to have been used.....when during your la
28 Skoker : Southwest claimed that the slides were used..., however, I didn't see any!! Only a lowly ladder.
29 BayAreaBlue : I was actually en-route to OAK on AS 425 from SNA. We aporached OAK in a different way that told me we were landing on North Field (27L). Upon landing
30 Post contains links 3201 : Flightaware shows it as having departed OAK, does anyone know if that is accurate? This source indicates that a 767-300 with CF680B2C7F engines might
31 727forever : Would be interesting to see that video. My airline is still flying that airplane to this day. 727forever
32 ONTFlyer : Aeroman, what flight were you on? I was scheduled for 234 but had to change plans literally as I walked into the terminal. Go figure...According to F
33 Asuflyer05 : The only flag stop I could find was JBU110 OAK-JFK which operated OAK-SLC-JFK. Though JBU476 OAK-BOS hasn't departed yet.
34 ISP : JBU OAK-IAD redeye was also routed OAK-SLC-IAD
35 Aeroman62 : I was on the 4:15pm flight, which operated with an inbound OAK/ONT flight, we left around 5:30pm, the poor WN employees in ONT knew less about what h
36 Post contains links Hiflyer : Best I can see from a picture out of the San Fran Chronicle looks like nose resting on nose gear door. #2 looks like on the ground...or damn close. Pi
37 MD11Engineer : Most airports have a set of aircraft recovery equipment (usually somewhere in the fire house), which consists of jacks, pneumatic cushions, planks, s
38 AltairF28 : They did about three or four go-arounds before they decided to send the ARFF equipment out, which surprised all of us (3201, his family and I) and the
39 Flyinryan99 : My guess is not because the thrust reverse would cause the nose to come down. I would also think they cut the engines just after touchdown to try and
40 OPNLguy : No, they were not. When a crew says something like this, they're referring to how much time (fuel) they have left before they need to land while stil
41 71Zulu : Thanks for the replies OPLN guy and may you enjoy your vacation. Would love to hang out in the dispatch office one day. Would this really be done? Kil
42 3201 : I actually didn't think they were that low on fuel. They were probably racetracking over the bay for about 30 mins at 1000-3000 AGL (I'm a bad judge
43 Flyinryan99 : I honestly don't know the systems on the 737 so I couldn't tell you. I watched a Citation 650 do a nose gear up landing once and they killed the engi
44 AV8ORWALK : I just wonder how this did not end up on the news. The Cessna 310 that circled and landed gear-up in Tampa gained national news coverage. Was the time
45 BigWNFan : Do we know for sure if it was N356SW involved?
46 Flyinryan99 : Affirmative.
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