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Skyteam Hub At Heathrow!  
User currently offlineJustapassenger From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14445 times:

http://www.latribune.fr/info/L-allia...IDB1A2888DA14E342BC12572F1002804C0

My French is not very good, but La Tribune apparently reports that Skyteam has signed an agreement with the BAA to consolidate their operations in Terminal 4 at Heathrow by April of 2008 so that they can create a hub there serving their American partners. NW would then serve Heathrow from DTW and MSP, CO from EWR and IAH and DL from ATL and JFK.

I guess this means that KL and AF will provide the slots for CO, NW and DL. Any one know the details of this arrangement?

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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14398 times:

Quoting Justapassenger (Thread starter):

I guess this means that KL and AF will provide the slots for CO, NW and DL. Any one know the details of this arrangement?

SO will this be mainly O&D traffic then? SkyTeam has mo appreciable EU network from LHR. Just AMS, Italy & CDG really, al of which are well covered by non-stops.

I guess we could expect to see all of the other SkyTeam partners move to T4, and also to see the likes of Maylisan, Kenya, etc move to T4 as well.

Brian.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14371 times:

There move to T4 has been out in ther public domain for some time. What will be interesting to see how many slots the Amercan carriers get and the frequencies they will offer on those routes mentioned above.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14371 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 1):
SO will this be mainly O&D traffic then?

Of course it will be mostly O&D, but in times of heavy demand and short notice, they will have more freedom to book passengers on different flights; for example when EWR-CDG is fully booked and there is capacity available on EWR-LHR-CDG, that gives them an option to book passengers on that flight. Not as a primary choice, but when you need a flight on a 24-hour notice in the summer season, it might well work.

Next to that, they can realize some savings by negotiating joint handling contracts.


User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14166 times:

It is confirmed that SkyTeam members & non-alliance airlines will move to Terminal 4 (with the exception of VS) when Terminal 5 is finished. Oneworld members and VS (excl. BA) will move to Terminal 3 and Star Alliance members will move to Terminal 1.

flyTUITravel.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14006 times:
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Quoting Justapassenger (Thread starter):
NW would then serve Heathrow from DTW and MSP, CO from EWR and IAH and DL from ATL and JFK.

It also quotes Leo Van Vijk (KLM head) as saying that SFO and LAX from LHR are possibilities...AF and KL will codeshare on the services to be operated by DL, NW, and CO. Details will be announced in a few months.

AF, KL, DL, and NW (not CO) will also apply once again for ATI (was turned down by the US the last time round) so that a "joint-venture" over the Atlantic (a la NW-KL I suppose) will be possible amongst the four carriers.


User currently offlinePtugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

I imagine, OK, SU and KE, would also be part of the deal.

User currently offlineGlobalATL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13773 times:

Is terminal 4 a good or bad terminal; in reference to location, appealing to the eye, new or old ??

User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13709 times:
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Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 7):
Is terminal 4 a good or bad terminal; in reference to location, appealing to the eye, new or old ??

Terminal 4 is newer than T1/2/3 though 1/2/3 have had some partial renovations; T1/2/3 are real eye-sores (actually IMO they don't have any distinctive architecture - just blocks of concrete) while T4 has some sort of architectural thought behind it (though not too much it seems). T4 is located quite far (separated by runways) from 1/2/3. 1/2/3 are joined and can be walked whereas T4 can only be reached from 1/2/3 by the Heathrow Express train or by bus/car/taxi. T4 can take a while to reach after landing if the runway between 1/2/3 and 4 is being used...


User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13695 times:

Quoting GlobalATL (Reply 7):
Is terminal 4 a good or bad terminal; in reference to location, appealing to the eye, new or old ??

It's separate from the other terminal buildings, on the southern side of the airfield but it is still linked with all of the public transport connections e.g. London Underground, Heathrow Express etc.

It's currently the youngest terminal in operation at the airport, opened in 1986 but it's actually one of the most out-dated. It's pretty overcrowded but this should be solved with BAs move to T5. Once T5 has opened BAA are going to carry out a major refurbishment of the terminal meaning all 5 terminals should be modernised

EDIT: PANAMAIR...you beat me to it!

[Edited 2007-06-05 16:00:46]

User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13608 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 1):
SO will this be mainly O&D traffic then? SkyTeam has mo appreciable EU network from LHR. Just AMS, Italy & CDG really, al of which are well covered by non-stops.

Sky Team would have a very impressive London Heathrow network with the following destinations, in fact Sky Team would have more flights on a daily basis than Virgin Atlantic who is based at Heathrow would have~

CURRENT-37 Flights

Aeroflot
Moscow. SVO x 4

Air France
Paris. CDG x 10

Alitalia
Milan. LIN x 4
Milan. MXP x 3
Rome x 5

CSA
Prague x 2

KLM
Amsterdam x 8

Korean Air
Seoul x 1

COMING IN 2008

Continental Airlines
Houston, Newark

Delta Air Lines
Atlanta, New York. JFK

Northwest Airlines
Detroit, Minneapolis

The above do not take into consideration the rumored entrants to Sky Team ~ Malaysia, and Kenya Airways.

-JD


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13484 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):
Sky Team would have a very impressive London Heathrow network with the following destinations, in fact Sky Team would have more flights on a daily basis than Virgin Atlantic who is based at Heathrow would have~

Hmmm, not sure you should be comaring Skyteam to one carrier, namely VS. Try comparing with OW and *A. I suspect you might come up with a different answer!


User currently offline777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13457 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):
he above do not take into consideration the rumored entrants to Sky Team ~ Malaysia, and Kenya Airways.

Kenya Airways, as well as COPA and Air Europa are not rumors: they will enter Skyteam as Associates in September.

rgds


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7393 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13414 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
T4 can take a while to reach after landing if the runway between 1/2/3 and 4 is being used...

The runway between T4 and T1, T2 and T3 (27L / 09R) is ALWAYS in use. (LHR only has two runways so both are always in use, one for arrivals, one for departures.) Indeed since T5 is also situated between the two runways a big advantage for BA who will move most of their long haul flights from T4 to T5 when it opens is that of saving fuel costs as no aircraft taxiing to or from T5 will need to cross an active runway.


User currently offlineDb373 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13389 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 10):
Sky Team would have a very impressive London Heathrow network with the following destinations, in fact Sky Team would have more flights on a daily basis than Virgin Atlantic who is based at Heathrow would have~

But if AF/KL are giving slots to DL/NW/CO as rumored, then wouldn't they have to drop some of their flights? If that's the case, then Skyteam won't be much bigger than they are now. They'll just have a lot of destinations to choose from.

Or am I missing something?



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13305 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 4):
Oneworld members and VS (excl. BA) will move to Terminal 3

Terminal 3 is terrible! I love flying VS but every time I fly them back to the states from LHR I dread having to deal with the queues in T3. In March I arrived for a flight 3 hours early and still almost missed the flight because the lines for check in and security were absurd. The flight left 40 minutes late because even the crew couldn't get through it all on time!

Quoting Panamair (Reply 5):

AF, KL, DL, and NW (not CO) will also apply once again for ATI

Just curious, why is CO not going to apply? It seems that they are the least integrated into the Skyteam system. I also find it strange that they operate out of CDG2A while DL and NW operate out of 2E. Air France has pretty much abandoned 2A and 2B and left it for other carriers.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13203 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 4):
It is confirmed that SkyTeam members & non-alliance airlines will move to Terminal 4 (with the exception of VS)

As far as the non alliance airlines go, I think it will depend on who their handler is. For example Icelandair use bmi, so will probably stay in T1/Heathrow East for as long as bmi have that contract

Another issue could be with non-aligned airlines that have interline agreements with bmi covering domestic routes - will they use T1/Heathrow East or T4?

Nothing new in this article, or anything about the non-aligned airlines (except VS), but the future plans are clearly explained
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ports-special-heathrow-reborn.html

[Edited 2007-06-05 18:30:48]

[Edited 2007-06-05 18:32:29]


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7393 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13159 times:

Quoting Db373 (Reply 14):
But if AF/KL are giving slots to DL/NW/CO as rumored, then wouldn't they have to drop some of their flights?

KL have two daily RTM-LHR-RTM and two daily EIN-LHR-EIN rotations all flown by F50s, the only turboprop scheduled flights at LHR.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13056 times:

if i'm not mistaken, i am hearing that DL has 4 slots.......2 JFK, 1 ATL, 1 LAX, and 1 CVG.......can anyone else confirm this??


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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13016 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 18):
if i'm not mistaken, i am hearing that DL has 4 slots.......2 JFK, 1 ATL, 1 LAX, and 1 CVG.......can anyone else confirm this??

I am thinking the reality will be more like 2x JFK, 2x ATL, 1x LAX. And yes there are a number of people that have said Delta Air Lines will be entering the Los Angeles to London market. However, I was under the impression that was not public information (LAX-LHR), as of yet.

-JD


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12978 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 19):
I am thinking the reality will be more like 2x JFK, 2x ATL, 1x LAX. And yes there are a number of people that have said Delta Air Lines will be entering the Los Angeles to London market. However, I was under the impression that was not public information (LAX-LHR), as of yet.

I'm betting that all of the LHR slots will go to ATL and JFK for DL and additional LGW slots will then go to CVG, LAX and possibly SLC.
LAX is still an unknown to Europe for DL, and the strength of the hubs at CVG and SLC are still suspect to dedicate to such a valued prize as an LHR slot.  twocents 



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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12941 times:

I hope Aeromexico gets into LHR ASAP. It's the only skyteam member that doesn't have access to the airport yet...


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User currently offlineFLYGUY767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12918 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 20):
LAX is still an unknown to Europe for DL, and the strength of the hubs at CVG and SLC are still suspect to dedicate to such a valued prize as an LHR slot.

Not a chance that Delta is going to unleash a LHR slot on CVG or SLC. They are to low yileding in comparison to Los Angeles. Los Angeles O/D alone could fill the flight to Heathrow.

-JD


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6521 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12901 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 20):
and the strength of the hubs at CVG and SLC are still suspect to dedicate to such a valued prize as an LHR slot.

SLC-CDG is far more likely than SLC-LGW or LHR in my opinion for the simple reason that CDG is a SkyTeam hub.

DL would not waste a LHR slot of SLC or CVG, not a chance.

I sort of equate SLC to MEM in the sense that both are mid sized cities with pretty poor O&D who have (or will have) the transatlantic flight for the simple reason of easy connections to the South (in the case of MEM) or the West (in the case of SLC). Neither one of thise cities could ever dream of having a nonstop to Europe without a steady flow of connectng passengers.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12857 times:

Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 22):
They are to low yielding in comparison to Los Angeles. Los Angeles O/D alone could fill the flight to Heathrow.

You're thinking more like a TV-network marketing analyst rather than what DL network planning executives will do at LAX, and I don't think Europe is on their docket for expansion as much as Asia or Latin America from there. I would expect to see DL add South American cities such as LIM or SCL from LAX before a Europe flight to LHR. DL still has much O&D they had once upon a time at the end of the Western era (1987) to try and recapture at LAX for an LHR flight, considering the competition in that market. BA could eat them for lunch on this one.



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25 Bobnwa : As far as I know, neither DL, CO, or NW have any slots for LHR. This also applies to US. They will probably all get some , but for now, nada. Also, s
26 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : If DL does offer LAX-U.K. service anytime soon, it likely would be LGW for London and more than likely MAN since people in the northern U.K. want mor
27 Rivet42 : Quite. And it's even more comlicated than that, because the type of aircraft allowed for any given slot will depend upon the current capacity of the
28 FlyTUITravel : I don't think it will depend on interline agreements because a lot of airlines e.g. BD / SK have agreements but BD's main operation is out of Termina
29 Post contains images Pdxcof9 : Let's see...If DL started a SLC-CDG. That would be the day. I'm guessing it's a 10 hour flight there 11 hours back. About the same distance as the ATL
30 MSYtristar : Just curious, where did you find out that information? I've always been interested in finding out O&D numbers between U.S and European cities.
31 Post contains images Panamair : That would be 5: 2 JFK + 1 ATL + 1 LAX + 1 CVG . If it's 4, it would be 2 JFK + 1 ATL + 1 LAX..... It would be suicidal for DL to do LAX-LGW. Especia
32 SLCUT2777 : This number came up in an SLTribune article last year when SLC-Europe flights were a highly discussed item, especially the prospect of SLC landing a
33 Jacobin777 : ..though we have 4 carriers which serve LHR-LAX, it isn't the strongest of routes..thus why one sees BA dropping a B744 and AA dropping a B772ER duri
34 AirbusA6 : T4 was a poor design for something built in the 80s, it always seems too 'thin', the check in queues seem to snake around everywhere. I read somewhere
35 Nzrich : And dont forget the daily NZ flight LAX-LHR as well .. With 5 carriers already operating this route im sure DL could find a much more profitable rout
36 Mir : No terminal at LHR is really appealing to the eye (except for T5). I've found T4 to be relatively pretty good, though not as good as T3 in terms of s
37 Evan767 : Does someone have an airport diagram to explain T4? Also, will this mean a short taxi time for SkyTeam?
38 FLYGUY767 : Then if by what you say Delta Air Lines will not prosper on its New York to London routes, or Atlanta to London routes. Of which both have rather goo
39 SkyyMaster : I don't see anything here that spells H-U-B. No Skyteam airline has a major presence at LHR now, and open skies isn't going to give up that many optio
40 Centrair : I am not at all that knowledgable of LHR but I too don't see it as HUB but consolidation of operations between alliances. It is like what has happene
41 Panamair : Depends...if run 27L/09R which is between T4 and the T1/2/3 complex is being used for landings, then it's a relatively short taxi time for T4 after l
42 Goldorak : AF has still quite a lot of flights from 2A & 2B but less than before. They will pull out progressively from these 2 concourses when 2E will be reope
43 Mir : Depends on the arrival time. IIRC, when landing east, they'll land on 9L, and thus have to cross 9R. When landing west, until 3pm they'll use 27L, so
44 UAL777UK : DL coming in on the LHR-LAX route will be in for a war. Granted UA, only offer one daily but that one daily is full almost all year round and and add
45 Post contains links VV701 : T4 is in the south of the airport. To get to or from T4 from 27R/09L you must cross 27L/09R which is always an active runway. When (the prevailing) w
46 FLYGUY767 : Forgive, I did indeed mean of the US airlines on the route. United Airlines has drug its feet left and right since they have left bankruptcy. The Uni
47 UAL777UK : Hmm, a lot of hot air there. If your saying that UA has only just come out and said that they are going to upgrade their F & J product just of late,
48 FlySSC : AF still owns unsued slots at LHR, and will also reduce its frequencies on CDG-LHR-CDG when the TGV Eurostar will be even fatser between Paris and Lo
49 Post contains links FLYGUY767 : It has been said over and over again. A full flight and high loads do not by any means equate to a profit margin. To remain competitive in the market
50 Nzrich : Yes did forget Max jet but it is also serving another airport not LHR .. I cant see DL operating to Auckland but SYD could happen .. Unfortunately DL
51 UAL777UK : Agreed, thats why UA have dumped international routes that make no money and stick with and created ones that do. Namely LAx-SYD. Where?...I have yet
52 Nzrich : One big problem Delta has is that in a lot of countries no one knows what Delta is outside of America .. the United name is well know around the glob
53 Post contains images UAL777UK :
54 Panamair : Meaning no disrespect but that's a little bit myopic of you now isn't it? In the South Pacific/Aust/NZ/ area (and most of Asia) I'm sure UA is a far
55 UAL777UK : BA might have something to say about that, however that aside, I fel sure UA is more globally recognised and its a sad fact that 9/11 might have a lo
56 Panamair : I edited my comment to say largest US-Europe transatlantic carrier to be safe....DL was already larger than BA last summer (2006) between the US and
57 Apodino : There was talk of LHR with open skies on here. I don't think SkyTeam will have a hub in LHR per say, but they will have T4 to themselves, but for most
58 Ikramerica : IAH is no question. CO have said that the first route will be IAH-LHR. EWR would come second. CLE is highly unlikely.
59 Panamair : Technically, the 763 is more than capable of doing LAX-LHR nonstop (UA has done it before) but whether DL would want to (for competitive reasons agai
60 Kaitak744 : Edited: CURRENT-41 Flights Aeroflot Moscow. SVO x 4 Air France Paris. CDG x 10 -some unused slots?? Alitalia Milan. LIN x 4 Milan. MXP x 3 Rome x 5 CS
61 EddieDude : Let us hope AM is able to find slots to start LHR. It is no secret that AM is keen on flying to LHR and that they are a party to the LHR-SkyTeam coloc
62 FLYGUY767 : That is a dead point. That is pointless in that Delta Air Lines has recently entered a number of markets, and will continue to enter other markets wh
63 Apodino : This is getting off topic a bit, but the other big problem that United is facing is that they are losing their pricing power quickly. With Delta sudd
64 UAL777UK : That might have more to do with the poor coverage of Skyteam than anything else which is wht DL needs to compete so much on there own metal paricular
65 StarGoldLHR : I would expect both of these to decrease considerably. AF will not need 10x daily when Eurostar becomes 2 hours City centre to City Centre. Also any
66 Jacobin777 : ...AA definitely intend to start DFW-LHR once open skies starts......it will be from OneWorld "Megahub" to another OneWorld "Megahub", the synergies
67 FLYGUY767 : Where are you getting your information from? Have you ever looked at Delta Air Lines destinations? SkyTeam has very broad coverage. You are of course
68 MasseyBrown : You are probably close enough to correct to end the discussion, but that is only for couple of years. While a pair of LHR slots will be pricey in 200
69 UAL777UK : Of course I have, Do you think UA will ever serve Pisa or Venice for instance. Never!
70 Humberside : DEN-LHR is possible Would US want to keep a Gatwick station open for one flight?
71 Panamair : While I agree that UA would never serve PSA or VCE, you do realize that the VCE region (together with the MXP area) are the two most prosperous (and
72 B777ER : DL's CEO has stated they would like up to 6 slot pairs. If they get all 6, I would look for one of two scenarios. 1) x2 ATL, x3 JFK with one being a
73 UAL777UK : What they are doing is flying their passengers into FCO who can then connect on to Air One, and fly all over Italy, who of course are vying to buy Al
74 EddieDude : MH and ME have not been confirmed, have they?
75 Jouy31 : 26 years after the launch of the TGV between Paris and Lyon, AF still operates 12 daily flights between CDG/ORY and LYS during the week.
76 FLYGUY767 : I have heard a lot of uniformed statements from you but this one takes the cake. Are you aware that the Veneto region is one of Italys wealthiest reg
77 FLYGUY767 : Are you referring to O/D or connecting traffic? -JD
78 Post contains images UAL777UK : Sorry, you must be losing the plot. Please read your intial comment about AMS again. Did I say DL didn't fly to AMS. NO! What I said was that UA was
79 Bobnwa : Just because you say it, does not make it so. Has UA ever officially said that? Why is UA the largest airline to Hawaii? Is that a business center? L
80 GlobeTrekker : And don't forget KLM own ground handling division at LHR (KLM Ground Services). They handle airlines like KQ, OZ, KM, UL and if I'm not mistake CSA C
81 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : Again, you are not getting your facts in order before you make a posting. Your reference is that United Airlines is more focused on business destinat
82 Kaitak744 : BA: 1. JFK: several daily flights, (I don't remember how many) 2. HKG: 3 daily 747-400s 3. LAX: 3 daily 747-400s in summer and 2 daily in winter. VS:
83 FLYGUY767 : VS - JFK 4 Daily (744, 346, 343) VS - EWR 2 Daily (346) -JD
84 UAL777UK : You have missed the whole point of what I initially said and gone off with your Rose Tinted DL glasses on a differrent tangent! Happy Flying
85 Post contains images Jacobin777 : 1-JFK gets a whopping 7 B744's... 2-JNB gets 2 B744's 3-SFO gets 2 B744's 4-MIA gets 2 B744's 5-NRT gets 2 B744's note:none have been seasonally adju
86 Panamair : With all due respect, your original quote was: We (or at least I) have pointed out to you that that isn't necessarily true. Both FCO and AMS are lowe
87 DL Widget Head : Bingo. Panamair, you nailed it. That DL chasing low yield routes theory doesn't hold water. FYI, one of DL's highest yielding routes is to ACC (a des
88 UAL777UK : They stepped into the shoes of AZ when they bailed on the route, UA offer there so called "Capital to Capital" service. Onward connections served by
89 Pogo : KLM are already based in T4 and handle KLM, Kenyan and Air Malta (I think someone correct me if i'm wrong) Indeed, I work for AFSL and we currently h
90 Post contains links FLYGUY767 : Again you are misinformed and spewing false information! The Capitol to Capitol Route was United Airlines way of promoting its application for IAD-PE
91 Raffik : You can add Star Alliance Associated member Middle East Airlines with a daily A330-200. Rumored to becoming a full member next year.
92 FLYGUY767 : Do you mean SkyTeam? -JD
93 Raffik : Woops, yes, I did mean Skyteam, not Star Alliance! Thanks for pointing that out
94 UAL777UK : Really, I would be interested to know which longhaul routes of UA's are.
95 Post contains images FLYGUY767 : You said routes .... you did not say long haul .... Backtracking again? Delta Air Lines, received incentives to start Pisa, and just because your pre
96 Icarus75 : I've flown CDG/ORY to LYS several times and the flights were full all the time for the simple reasons : - If you have business outside of Lyon, flyin
97 Post contains images UAL777UK : I love your response, thats the kind of response I would expect from a child not someone of your age, is it getting to you, perhaps you need to just
98 FLYGUY767 : Facts are very important when we are discussing aviation on this forum. Furthermore, you have turned this topic into a United Airlines is king, and e
99 Bobnwa : I think it is you getting peoples hackles up. When are you going to answer myself bobnwa and Panamair who raised ligitimate questions to some of your
100 UAL777UK : I think you will find that if you read your quotes, that title is more apt for your goodself, your seeing the world through your DL rose tinted glass
101 UAL777UK : I regarded them as observations thats why, not questions. Looked more like observations to me, to which I respect from people who respect others.
102 FLYGUY767 : If you look back over my posts everytime I brought up something about Delta Air Lines and United Airlines I posted them along with fact to back them
103 UAL777UK : You mean those airlines that have been established on this routes for many years, including the likes of BA, VS and NZ! Its not just all about the US
104 Nzrich : Meaning no disrespect to you either but i have a lot of friends and family all across Europe so i actually asked some of them to name any US carriers
105 Bobnwa : How many people did you ask and where did they live. Give us some more facts about your poll. Who were the second and third carrier named the most? W
106 Post contains links and images FLYGUY767 : How elitist can you get? Demographically speaking what area are your relatives living in? I could pose the same question and get a very different res
107 Nzrich : I asked 30 odd people in the UK only 8 in Germany and my partner asked some of his relatives and friends who all reside in Italy they named United mo
108 Concorde001 : AF carries alot of connecting traffic to and from its LHR routes...alot. Ever since Eurotunnel/Eurostar started operations in the 1990s, AF has conce
109 FLYGUY767 : Bobnwa, Keep in mind that Nzrich was under the impression that United Airlines has been flying internationally a lot longer than Delta Air Lines as h
110 Nzrich : Before you have a go at me i have stated its not scientific at all ..But it is interesting .. If you look at destinations in the uk served look at th
111 FLYGUY767 : Nzrich, Thank you for your response. In addition thank you for your explanation of polling places. I thought I would do a poll myself last night with
112 DL Widget Head : The figures above are incorrect in relation to DL (not sure about the others): Italy DL serves 4 destinations (41/2 really if you count Nice) Germany
113 Jano : NW is wrong for both IT and DE. Germany NW -> FRA and DUS Italy NW -> nowhere, they used to fly to FCO not too long ago, I'd say in 2003?
114 Sllevin : With the exception of SU, all those destinations can be hit just as easily from AMS -- and without the BAA craziness. Anyone who would chose to conne
115 Nzrich : Hi i took these figures from each airlines route maps !!! Unfortunately i found Deltas route map the worst as you can not tell which destinations are
116 FLYGUY767 : Northwest Airlines, shares its flight number with most KLM flights. Thus in turn you are seeing people in countries that NWA does not serve being mad
117 Post contains images Jano : Yes. But I do believe we are talking NWA birds and not KLM birds. And them NWA birds are nowhere to be found in Italy
118 FLYGUY767 : If you took a re-read of the posts you will find that the KLM flights to and from Italy share NWA flight numbers. In addition if you had read the abo
119 Keesje : I would think there are flights from LHR to places like Nice, Strasbourgh..
120 Pogo : BA do but AF now only fly CDG-LHR-CDG, they used to be fly to ORY, NCE, SXB, MRS, LYS, to and from LHR.
121 FLYGUY767 : Those destinations are served from LCY, including ORY. -JD
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