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Emirates Confirms Toronto Flights  
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

Its now official...Emirates is coming to Toronto confirmed from Oct 29th 2007 three times a week nonstop using the Boeing 777-300ER offering a 3 class configuration. Flights will be flown on Mon, Wed & Fri.

The inbound flight has been loaded onto SABRE i.e. DXB-YYZ but outbound hasnt as been as yet.

EK 241 Dep DXB 0835 Arr YYZ 1455

The outbound flight though not uploaded as yet is expected to depart YYZ between 10-11pm similar to EK 202's departure timings from JFK to DXB.

This has shocked many industry analysts because no one expected EK to launch a long haul route like YYZ with 3 times a week frequency only as their business philosophy calls for daily flights.

Anyways, great news for YYZ and the travelling public and bad news for EK's competitors!

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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

I'm surprised they didn't go daily 345.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 1):
I'm surprised they didn't go daily 345.

Regards

Mike

because the UAE-Canada bilateral treaty doesnt allow it...3 for EY + 3 for EK for the time being.


User currently offlineDaHawk From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8225 times:

Good to hear that. Its about time.

Now some competition with EY. Who will be switching the current AUH-BRU-YVZ to Non-Stop AUH-YVZ with the new 3 class A346 once delivered this month.

Ill go for EY. A better premium product.

[Edited 2007-06-05 15:53:18]

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Outbound flight released :

EK 242 Dep YYZ 2140 Arr DXB 1855+1 77W

Mon/Wed/Fri


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8155 times:

About time! Man I have been praying for them to come here for years and just when my prayers get answered AC takes delivery of their new 773ER.  gnasher 


The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Timings are indeed pretty similar to EK201/202 DXB JFK DXB and also to EK211/212 DXB IAH DXB. The EK DXB hub structure is fascinating to say the least. The departure times of EK201/211/241 are smack in the middle of the main morning departure bank and offer optimal connectivity with the overnight early morning arrivals bank. The arrival times of EK202/212/242 seem a bit odd, because outside of any well defined arrival bank, but the flights are actually timed to offer connectivity to a mini regional and Indian subcontinent departure bank. As said, the operational and mathematical structure of the DXB hub is extremely fascinating.

User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

Just had a talk with one of my travel agent friends, quite a lot of inquires coming in already for tickets from customers. Looks like emirates is going to do really well on this flight.


The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7999 times:

It's a good think PK have nonstop flights to Pakistan otherwise I wouldn't be surprised to see PK pull a flight or two from this route....

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 7):
Just had a talk with one of my travel agent friends, quite a lot of inquires coming in already for tickets from customers. Looks like emirates is going to do really well on this flight.

I wonder if its going to be at the expense of Etihad or PIA or both...hmmm....

[Edited 2007-06-05 16:54:55]


"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Finally , thanks for the update Behramjee , but i believe EK wouldn't stop there , they would do their best to gain a daily flight licence to YYZ .
More competition is better for passengers .

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 7):
Just had a talk with one of my travel agent friends, quite a lot of inquires coming in already for tickets from customers. Looks like emirates is going to do really well on this flight.

As they do on almost all their other long-haul flights .



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User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7825 times:

Its a matter of time before the agreement with Canada and the UAE will be ammended so EK will eventually fly daily here, however in the meantime, might as well get there foot in the door.....cant wait to see them here!

User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1375 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Guess a lot of the non-Delhi Indian population would take this flight and a very good shopping at the Dubai duty free on the way. Couldn't be any better. My father came from India to YYZ by Emirates yester day (AC 859 on the last leg TRV-DXB-LHR-YYZ). Now it would be just TRV-DXB-YYZ all EK, should be a relief and also for the vistors to/from Canada from the subcontinent will not have the hassle of getting a transit visa for UK or Shengen.

User currently offlineSpotter From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

On Etihad's Website it's showing the following;

Departing YYZ 1020 Arriving AUH 0745 A345 from June 1- June 30 TU TH SA

and then switching aircraft to A346

Departing YYZ 1020 Arriving AUH 0745 A346 from July 3 - Oct 27 TU TH SA,

Cool Should be able to see both Etihad and Emirates during daylight hours, Nice to see. Wonder where Emirates will Gate in YYZ, probably T1, I am guessing.
JR


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

So as of this fall EK destinatons in N America will include JFK, IAH and YYZ.

Have any others been announced or are pending or likely pending?

JFK is 1x daily 77W correct?

Will IAH be 77W or 345, and is it daily service?


User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 13):
JFK is 1x daily 77W correct?

JFK is 3 daily , one of them via Hamburg/Germany .



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User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 13):
JFK is 1x daily 77W correct?

JFK 3 daily flights to be soon served by 77W, I'll book a flight on November and when i check the website it shows the 77W, no more A345. Personally i would love to try the suites on the A345


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7389 times:

Must be at least some flights already from JFK on 77W, I saw one departing JFK around 1230PM around a week ago.

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5305 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
EK 241 Dep DXB 0835 Arr YYZ 1455



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
EK 242 Dep YYZ 2140 Arr DXB 1855+1 77W

Why stay on the ground that long? They could have left earlier, which would also give pax to get another departure bank at DXB as well. How can it be profitable to stay 7 hours on the ground??

KL911


User currently onlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 17):
Why stay on the ground that long? They could have left earlier, which would also give pax to get another departure bank at DXB as well. How can it be profitable to stay 7 hours on the ground??

I do doubt this timing too, EK never put their aircrafts for long time in all their destinations


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

I agree that EK will lobby hard for daily service, thrice weekly is just a taste of things to come. Given their reputation, they should do extraordinarily well out of Toronto.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7314 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 17):
Why stay on the ground that long? They could have left earlier, which would also give pax to get another departure bank at DXB as well. How can it be profitable to stay 7 hours on the ground??



Quoting KL911 (Reply 17):
I do doubt this timing too, EK never put their aircrafts for long time in all their destinations

The fact is, there is no earlier viable departure bank which EK could catch by leaving earlier. The airline could indeed leave JFK and YYZ 5 hours earlier and make it back to DXB by 2pm, but there is virtually no activity at the EK DXB hub between 3pm and 6pm, hence the longer ground time at JFK and YYZ to cater for better connectivity at DXB. As said before, the EK DXB hub is set up by specialists who clearly know what they are doing, and the aircraft at JFK and YYZ are left on the ground for a reason. Connectivity is EK's prime objective, so there you have your reason.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5305 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
The fact is, there is no earlier viable departure bank which EK could catch by leaving earlier. The airline could indeed leave JFK and YYZ 5 hours earlier and make it back to DXB by 2pm, but there is virtually no activity at the EK DXB hub between 3pm and 6pm, hence the longer ground time at JFK and YYZ to cater for better connectivity at DXB. As said before, the EK DXB hub is set up by specialists who clearly know what they are doing, and the aircraft at JFK and YYZ are left on the ground for a reason. Connectivity is EK's prime objective, so there you have your reason.

Haven't they got some rights to fly a mediumhaul returnflight in between the 7 hour gap somewhere from YYZ? Even if it was only for cargo..

KL911


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 21):
Haven't they got some rights to fly a mediumhaul returnflight in between the 7 hour gap somewhere from YYZ? Even if it was only for cargo..

Apart from the legal constraints in terms of rights, such a flight would likely be more expensive than whatever revenue the airline could possibly squeeze out of it... I guess EK could fit in a YYZ YUL tag, yet what is the point of doing so if the airline expects to do so well on the DXB YYZ sectors that it can sell all seats. The excessive costs of shorts tags often preclude the airline from embarking on such ventures.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5305 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 22):
Apart from the legal constraints in terms of rights, such a flight would likely be more expensive than whatever revenue the airline could possibly squeeze out of it... I guess EK could fit in a YYZ YUL tag, yet what is the point of doing so if the airline expects to do so well on the DXB YYZ sectors that it can sell all seats. The excessive costs of shorts tags often preclude the airline from embarking on such ventures.

Right, just checking, thanks.

Btw, why don't you work in DXB, you would be a good EK guy..  Smile


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 17):
Why stay on the ground that long? They could have left earlier, which would also give pax to get another departure bank at DXB as well. How can it be profitable to stay 7 hours on the ground??

The later departure time increases connection opportunities. Business travellers from points like YOW, YUL etc. don't have to leave their point of origin in the middle of the workday. And it permits more attractive connections from western Canada (YVR/YYC etc.)


25 Behramjee : EK's acft (EK 201/202) is parked for 9 hours daily at JFK so I dont get why u made that statement.
26 Post contains links HB-IWC : I'm pretty happy where I am right now and even happier with where I am going next, but I have once written here a short analysis of the EK operationa
27 Post contains images MSYYZ : HB-IWC , i just want to tell you something........You continue to impress me with your knowledge
28 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Who knows? If this pans out for EK, they could look at a YVR-DXB flight in the not to distant future. As is, YYZ represents the 5th or 6th largest po
29 KrisYYZ : Looks like the B777 is going to become a common sight at YYZ!! I guess the high landing fees at Pearson aren't scaring too many airlines away. KrisYYZ
30 Behramjee : these things dont bother EK ! btw the outbound flight has been uploaded on major GDS reservations systems : EK 242 F4 A0 J7 C0 Y9 W9 M9 B9 K9 YYZDXB
31 Post contains images FWAERJ : Great... now when will EK come to ORD? IIRC, EK's Tim Clark said that ORD was this close to getting EK service this year (it was to have been either O
32 Emirates773ER : The timing is perfect actually. Th departure from YYZ is late enough for me to catch a flight from YVR/YYC/YEG to toronto and be able to make it on t
33 JAL : Great to see them here in Canada! Cool!!!!
34 Chinook747 : I definately agree the later time allows for bettter connections from Western Canada. I have many clients who will love this route. They can bypass Eu
35 FlyEmirates : Making comfort a top concern on the long-haul journey, the aircraft will be fitted with eight luxurious private suites in First class, 42 of its lates
36 Post contains images CXfirst : It's YYZ not YVZ The earlier departure bank are for flights mostly to the middle east and Europe, and I doubt any one would fly YYZ-DXB-europe. They
37 Sebring : To serve what market? Look at the flying time on the Great Circle Mapper. From Vancouver, It's much faster to go to India nonstop than to go via DXB.
38 HB-IWC : EK's main afternoon departure bank carries indeed mostly traffic to Europe and is centered around 2.30pm. It would, however be very difficult for the
39 DYK : I was in Toronto last month for the first time in 15 years. Unless you live in Toronto it is hard to imagine the ethnic diversity of the city, it ver
40 6thfreedom : Connectivity is king for EK, and they are masters at it. 7 hours to long for a plane on the ground?? At the moment EK has an aircraft on the ground a
41 CXfirst : that's proving my point. I'm saying, any earlier would be bad. -CXfirst
42 Planetime : Yes it should be announced soon from what Tim Clark mentioned in the past. JFK is 3x daily. Currently 2 77W and 1 345. 1 of them via HAM. They should
43 RicardoFG : When is EK planning to officially announce the YYZ service...nothing as of yet on their website.
44 Ronerone : This is because Etihad is extremely successful on its 3 weekly service to YYZ. In fact both, BRU as well as YYZ have been a success that they have be
45 Planetime : That is a wait and see thing. YYZ area is not really the market size of JFK area.
46 Olympus69 : Going to? It already is with 5 airlines using triple sevens right now.
47 MSYYZ : Although the YYZ market is not the market size of JFK , but Toronto metropolitan area is the 5th or 6th ( i don't remember ) most populated metro are
48 Planetime : 1. SYD is not served by as many airlines as YYZ. That is one of the reason why EK has capitalized on the SYD market. 2. Syd and Toronto are almost sa
49 BWIA330 : Are any of these flights bookable? I am looking at going next year to either DXB or AUH not sure if to fly EY or EK. So would this EK flight be non-st
50 CupraIbiza : Actually its 4 flights! However 2 of them are to NZ. EK412 Christchurch 07:50am EK418 Auckland 09:15am EK419 Bangkok/Dubai 6:45pm 19/06/2007 EK413 Du
51 6thfreedom : EK serve SYD twice daily... one non-stop, and one via BKK. One service goes on to CHC, the other to AKL. Also, there are a lot of Australian companie
52 YOWza : I saw EK advertising jobs in the Toronto papers today. In particular: - Airport Services Manager - Supervisor Airport Services - Airport Services Agen
53 Emirates773ER : I am trying to get a seat on EK for this December as well. Their online booking system does not seem to show toronto as a destination for some reason
54 Sebring : Nominal? What were you expecting?
55 Emirates773ER : Around 2200+ actually, also forgot to add that my fare includes going all the way to Karachi and back.
56 Sebring : So we're presumably talking US dollars here, right? That would be about CAD$2350 at the current exchange rate, plus taxes. Unless that's business cla
57 Behramjee : complete nonsense !!! plz call me at office 416 966 4853 x 217 and I will get u a much better fare to DXB this December guaranteed!!!
58 Emirates773ER : Hmmmm..... Do you work in a travel agency? I am actually looking for a couple of tickets to KHI in August as well, EK is giving a fare of C$2300 at p
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