SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3382 posts, RR: 51 Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9909 times:
I apologise if this is old news, but i did a search and all i came up with were rumours but since the deal is done now, I thought it is worth a mention.
LX signed a deal with AC over another additional three A343s to be delivered in 2008. No definate dates have been agreed upon yet and I do not know wether these birds will be leased or purchased, but i'll keep you updated. I'm now waiting for LX's official press release. This will take LX's A343 fleet to 15 by the end of 2008 after taking delivery of the two ex-OS A343s and the fourth (and first) ex-AC A343 which will enter service in July This is already being discussed in the Swiss aviation thread but i thought it might be of interest to some of our non-Swiss a.netters.
Source: An SRTechnics management member who is 100% credible (My dad ). All three frames will go through a complete cabin overhaul at SRTechnics here in ZRH before entering service.
HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4414 posts, RR: 76 Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9549 times:
Swissair, at is height, operated 19 MD11s + 15 A332s. It seems as if the LX fleet is slowly inching towards that size again. With 15 A343s + 12 A332s available next summer, we are again at 27 widebodies, or a 50% increase when compared to the low point, which was 9 A343 + 9 A332. This additional capacity should be good for one or two new destinations. I wouldn't be surprised to see IAD returning.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 6, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9372 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 3): Now all we need is the inevitable (I wish!) LX order for 20 A350-800s + 20 A350-900s. I can see them fitting perfectly into the LX fleet and replacing all the A330s and A340s. One day..
Or perhaps an even better 20 788, 20 789 order (Rolls powered, of course, PM), which would suit the Zurich hub much better.
Anyone else see 7x LAX coming back?
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FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9355 times:
Good to see LH running so well. They clearly have plenty of room for growth and I'm sure they'll keep acquiring new jets for a while yet. Especially since they have a taste for second hand A343, which should be getting easier to get a hold of. I'm interested to see what their long term strategy is (what they are buying as an A330/340 replacement). Probably A350, but still interesting to see.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 5): So I guess that means US is not getting any of AC's A340s eh?
Who knows what US has up their sleeve at this point. My guess is that they are going to order both 787 and A350 at this point, because Parker sure wants to do something with that money burning a hole in his pocket, and he needs long haul jets for his international expansion, so if he keeps sitting on it, not ordering anything new, my guess is he's planning another pass at a buyout.
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ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5535 posts, RR: 40 Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8989 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2): 15 A343s + 12 A332s available next summer
12 A 332? At the moment they have 11, there is no news about one more. That would make 26 long-haul frames (15+11), like Swiss had at the very beginning before they downsized the fleet to 9 A 332 and 9 A 343.
ZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5535 posts, RR: 40 Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8791 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 12): quite impressive widebody growth there from 18 to 26 frames in give and take 2 years.
I agree, it is impressive. A few months ago I never thought about such an expansion. I only hope they will be successful. But I am confidant that the parent company LH would not have allowed that if they didn't evaluated it carefully.
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8730 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 5): So I guess that means US is not getting any of AC's A340s eh?
IIRC US was after AC's a345's, which are now rumoured to go to TAM. I don't think there was an intention of getting AC's a343's. Besides, I'm sure more AC a343's will be coming available, as the 777 deliveries continue.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6798 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7356 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 3): Now all we need is the inevitable (I wish!) LX order for 20 A350-800s + 20 A350-900s. I can see them fitting perfectly into the LX fleet and replacing all the A330s and A340s. One day...
I think it depends what LH is up to. If LH orders 787 we will see them in LX colors as well if LH orders A350 LX will have them, too.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
SandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3382 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6710 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 22): I think it depends what LH is up to. If LH orders 787 we will see them in LX colors as well if LH orders A350 LX will have them, too
I disagree. LH isn't interested in LH/LX fleet communality, as both LX and LH are two seperate companies and it doesnt look like LX will be merged into LH anytime soon. LX will purchase what is best suited for them and so will LH, and for LX i'd say it's definately the A350, for the obvious fleet communality reason. Another example are the Embraers which LH ordered. Rumour has it that they are destined for LX, as it's obviousely the best AVRO replacement for LX. If it had been like you suggest, LH would have ordered CRJs for LX as LH operates a large fleet of the type (and no E-Jets, nota bene).
[Edited 2007-06-06 19:14:33]
25 QLS: LX starts DEL in November (with A332) and PVG in March 08 (with A343). Here is the news link: http://www.swiss.com/web/NS6/about-s...ress-releases-07.
26 N1120A: LAX is the biggest O&D airport in the world and prior to their downsizing after the SR collapse, LAX was the number 2 international destination for S
27 OceansWorld: That's really a good surprise to see LX grow again, and at such a pace. As you said, nothing of this could be possible without a careful evaluation.
28 Columba: There are plenty of rumors regarding the Embraers. One is that they are goingt to LH Cityline another is that they will go to Eurowings.
29 HB-IWC: Swissair and later Swiss flew ZRH IAD with A332. I don't know where you got that information, but it is certainly not correct. For as long as I worke
30 Mk777: thanks, looks like DEL will be busy during the night time rush hour, even LH's flight 760 from FRA comes in at 00:35, i hope the 9 jetbridge gates at
31 N1120A: According to Swissair themselves in their magazine, LAX was number 2
32 HB-IWC: Well, obviously I don't know about that article, but I can guarantee you that the real financial situation (presuming that that is where the number 2
33 ANITIX87: Even with the correction to 11 A332s, where did they get the extra 2 from? I don't remember that happening. Did they simply re-enter two old SR plane
34 SandroZRH: Exactly what i said... They received two ex-LH and formerly ex-Sabena A332s in mid 2006. Cabin reconfigurations will start coming winter.
35 KL911: Well, with LH being a 100% owner of LX............
36 SandroZRH: But they are still two seperate airlines, how many times do I have to repeat myself?
37 OceansWorld: Depends. According to CH-Aviation, AC still has nine A343s in its fleet two of which are already attributed to other airlines. Among the seven remain
38 Travelin man: Don't forget: SU LT It's great the LX is going to 7x weekly at LAX. I've flown them a few times on LAX-ZRH (in business) and it is always packed in a
39 MD11A340: If I was not wrong, LX actually ordered 13 A343 before their down sizing to 9 + 9 long haul in 2003. Where the other 4 MSN gone? Which airline finally
40 HB-IWC: Actually, the order started off with the A346.
41 Thorben: Oh yes, the oh-so-terrible A343 has no problems finding a new home. Yep, and LH will order them for both. That would really be a dream, Swiss A346.
42 ANITIX87: It might be a good aircraft for some routes, but I think the only destinations that could consistently support the 346 would be New York and Boston,
43 Thorben: Swissair had 743s once, didn't they? What routes did they use those for? BOS, JFK, HKG?
44 SandroZRH: ATL, PHL They will indeed all become three-class. edit: typo [Edited 2007-06-07 14:10:25]
45 Thorben: There is also a picture of one at YUL. So could these routes (to ZRH) see a Swiss A346 (demand-wise) at some time, or is too much of their traffic no
46 Swissgabe: The plane also used to operate to PEK and PVG at some stage and in the late 80s to SEL. PHL was an extension of the BOS flight. The HKG flight operat
47 PM: Well, I flew them to BOS, ATL and JNB and I know they also flew to PEK. They had five. Two all pax and three combis.
48 Airbazar: IAD and PHL were each at some point an extension of the BOS flight if I recall correctly. So what? LH owns 100% of LX. Do you think they don't have a
49 OceansWorld: ZRH-GVA-JFK ZRH-ORD GVA-JNB That's what I have in mind too. I remember that back in 1984, I flew with them on the ZRH-BOS-ORD and back route.
50 HB-IWC: I thought that HB-IQA was a 2-class aircraft. At least, it was delivered in a 2-class configuration, as were IQK, IQM and IQN. I don't think configur
51 ANITIX87: You're probably right. I don't recall exactly. Thanks. I stand corrected. Those were the days. I once sat on the pilot's lap and "helped" him turn th
52 SandroZRH: No need for the arrogance. I didn't say LH does not have any say in how LX operates. LX and LH are operating as two seperate carriers, and they will
53 ANITIX87: I've just been corrected. HB-IWF did not fly SR110 on September 2, 1998. I've lived 9 years under the impression I was on her last flight, and I got
54 Viscount724: And many other routes. I recall one SR flight YYZ-YMX (Mirabel airport, Montreal)-ZRH on a 743 very soon after they went into service.
55 HB-IWC: HB-IWF's last flights were ZRH (SR108) SFO (SR109) ZRH (SR188) SIN (SR188) CGK (SR189) SIN (SR189) ZRH (SR102) JFK.
56 Thorben: Now, Swissair was not really successful with their finances, but I would dare to say that a few of these routes could actually see a A346 at some tim
57 Ka: Now it has been confirmed: http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html...en/app/show/en/2007/06/692/HOM&s=0 3 A343 joining the fleet, 2 A332 leaving the flee
58 HECA: Why is LX returning these two A332s? I find it hard to believe these two are only returned for the lack a first class cabin, especially with the refu
59 OceansWorld: Well, if you take the details provided by Swiss, the range of the A330 with a full load is 8400km while for the A340 it is 10500km, not to forget the
60 LXA340: No details yet, probably first starting next year nevertheless as new Business Class will take up more space I wouldn't be suprised if the A330's wil
61 HECA: The Swiss website indeed states that max. range with full load for the A332 is 8'400 km. I however do remember that in the Swiss magazine 11'000 km w
62 ANITIX87: Does this mean that they will move the 332s on shorter routes that don't require the capacity? And is NY likely to see an upgrade to full-time 343s f
63 OceansWorld: I don't know, but CO is now flying daily out of GVA to EWR with a 764 while QR is expected to start a four times weekly flight to EWR next week with
64 PADSpot: It's not the tail that wags the dog. LX and LH are highly integrated and their business does not differ significantly. As LH needs to decide earlier
65 SandroZRH: Keep in mind that LX is planning to replace A332s with A333s. Now it would make perfect sense if they'll replace two A332s with A343s to increase cap
66 Thorben: IIRC it was only one 777 that was scrapped. It was used by Varig last and it seems they left it in a very bad condition.
67 LXA340: On one of the forums someone once said that the current LH A333 order could possibly be diverted to LX or at least some planes, this might be a good
68 SandroZRH: Sounds totally reasonable as most of LX's A332 leases expire in 2009. Everything is going as planned. The A/C was in good condition, apart from the t
69 LXA340: Thanks for the answers Sandro, Overhead bins will remain the same I gues, or will they get the new designed ones also found in JMH and I? The only pr
70 SandroZRH: I have no idea how it'll work out, LH could take up LX's A332s in exchange as a temporary solution. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
71 LXA340: True, they would be good enough for all those short destinations Baku, Cairo Ashgabat or however else they are called. Really a waste to use their ne
72 SandroZRH: yup, rather send them to JFK, MIA, ORD etc. - In Swiss colors
73 Columba: Doubtful, but I sure would love to see another A332 in LH colors again
74 SandroZRH: Care to share what makes you think so?
75 LXA340: I gues he is right, LH gives LX their freedom to develop their own products / brand however LH being ready to take A332 from LX with their old interi
76 Bmacleod: Any word on where AC's 345s are going? SQ perhaps?
77 Columba: because they just got rid of their two leased A332s and they don't plan to go smaller than the A330-300.