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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 26
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Hi all!

I have a few questions regarding the A330-300.

On A.net's profile it shows that there is a "long range" version of the A333. Does it exist for real?

I have been told many times not to trust A.net's figures or performance summaries, so here I go with the ignorant's questions again.

What is the range of the A333, both the regular and "long range" versions (provided the latter does exist)?

More specifically, if one fills up the plane's fuel tanks to the last drop, how far can it fly at MTOW, departing from an airport located roughly at sea level (LHR, CDG, AMS, SIN, JFK, etc.)? Can it do LHR-LAX or BCE-NRT or CDG-GRU or FRA-JNB with the required fuel reserves?

These are just examples off the top of my head.

Any help is greatly appreciated!!!

A warm "thanks" from Down Under,

Yann.

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

You got the A332 (no -33) VIP, range 15.400 km / 8300 nm with 50 seats, and A330-300 range is 10.500 km/ 5650 nm

Don´t know about A333E range thou...

All to read in www.airbus.com

Micke//   

[Edited 2007-06-06 13:37:09]


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
What is the range of the A333, both the regular and "long range" versions (provided the latter does exist)?

I have heard talk about some carriers installing an Aux-tank on the A333, but I have not heard anything official about this from Airbus. I would have thought that their official website would benefit from showing a longer range figure, since there is allot of people who like to compare numbers. According to Airbus.com the range of the A333 is Range 10,500 km /5,650 nm. This range is accomplished with 97,170 Litres or 25,670 US gal. of fuel.

The A332 have 139,100 Litres 36,750 US gal. of max fuel which gives it a 12,500 km / 6,750 nm range.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Looking through earlier A330-300 range topics, it becomes clear most operators use the aircraft on routes upto 5200nm, some further.

The A330-300 has the lowest CASM among airliners, very usefull cargo capasity & praticle F/C/M cabin dimensions (1-2-1, 2-2-2, 2-4-2). The 5000nm covers most citypairs except the real long flights, making it a very popular with carriers like e.g. Lufthansa, Northwest and Cathay.


5000nm from FRA


5000nm from DTW


5000nm from HKG


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29667 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5317 times:
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Quoting WunalaYann (Thread starter):
On A.net's profile it shows that there is a "long range" version of the A333. Does it exist for real?

A 5000nm range is pretty long, but it is true that the A330-300 cannot perform most trans-Pacific missions, which is where the A340-300 has the legs for that.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

The original A330-300 had a MTOW of 219 tons approx. Since a while the A330-300(X) is available with 233 tons, using some structural changes introduced for the A330-200 and more powerful enigines. It looks like the CF6 option is only available since last year, first (X) were Trent or PW. Most -300 on order now I think are (X).

The A330 is a mid range aircraft. The above areas (thanks for the maps!) get smaller if you want to fly some cargo, but Trans Atlantic, Europe to India, North America to South America, Inner Asia, remain in range.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 3):
Looking through earlier A330-300 range topics, it becomes clear most operators use the aircraft on routes upto 5200nm, some further.

The other thread (EI ordering 333s, 350s) talks about a 333 range of 4000nm, while the 332 has a range of 5000 nm.

However from the Airbus 333 specification site it seems like the range for the 333 is 5650nm.

So I'm not sure what to believe! If the Airbus figure is for real, then EI's 333s should be able to easily fly to all of North America, and most of Asia (other than the equatorial islands) from DUB.




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User currently offlineSteve332 From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):
So I'm not sure what to believe! If the Airbus figure is for real, then EI's 333s should be able to easily fly to all of North America, and most of Asia (other than the equatorial islands) from DUB.

I noticed this myself, EI only fly 332's to LAX and soon SFO due to range constraints & as far as I know they dont even use then on the ORD route they only go to JFK, BOS and DXB I beleive.

But also these maps show the distance "as the crow flies" and most T/A traffic goes over the poles so maybe this has something to do with it??


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

The quoted range for an airliner is normally at full passenger payload. This includes luggage and excludes any kind of cargo. Range at maximum payload is usually much less.

SailorOrion


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7928 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

This is why I'm kind of surprised that Airbus didn't sell more A330-300's. It has easily enough range to fly between Europe and eastern North America, enough range to fly from Europe to cover most of Africa, and enough range to fly most east Asian regional routes.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6344 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

Quoting Steve332 (Reply 7):
But also these maps show the distance "as the crow flies" and most T/A traffic goes over the poles so maybe this has something to do with it??

The maps show the great circle distance which is the shortest mileage.


User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):
So I'm not sure what to believe! If the Airbus figure is for real, then EI's 333s should be able to easily fly to all of North America, and most of Asia (other than the equatorial islands) from DUB.

My understanding is that the ranges on Airbus/Boeing web sites are for passengers only (no extra cargo except for the passenger's luggage) and without wind.

That is why you usually don't see routes as long as plane's nominal range.

Cheers
JD


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Korean Airlines is using an A330-300 for its flight ICN-PRG-ICN (KE936/KE935) which is pretty long. I believe it's the longest scheduled nonstop flight operated by an A333.

ICN-PRG = 8258km / 5131mi / 4459nm.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 9):

Guess you´re right, only A333s in Europe are SK, LH flying to Northeast US.

Oher Euro carriers mostly use B767-300ER to US.

Anyone knows more euro carriers using A333?

Micke//  Smile



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 13):
Anyone knows more euro carriers using A333?

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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 13):
Anyone knows more euro carriers using A333?



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):

How about the green airline that makes the headlines today, namely Aer Lingus.


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 15):
How about the green airline that makes the headlines today, namely Aer Lingus.

EI was already named my Steve332 in the reply # 7


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 16):
EI was already named my Steve332 in the reply # 7

Alright then.  sorry 


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 888 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

Speaking of the A333, I been reading a bit lately about an A330-300E. I'm assuming this is a variant bringing the A340-300E's improvements to the A333. Is this assumption correct? Will this A333E become the standard offering for this model?

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 18):
Speaking of the A333, I been reading a bit lately about an A330-300E. I'm assuming this is a variant bringing the A340-300E's improvements to the A333. Is this assumption correct?

Probably.

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 18):
Will this A333E become the standard offering for this model?

Probably.


(No, my vocabulary is not limited to "probably"!)  Wink



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

I think Airbus should have come earlier with a A330-300 enhanced version with more range payload and bigger engines. Not only did I think so, I opened a thread on it 3,5 yrs ago. Now if only Airbus had listened..

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1295838


User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 20):
I think Airbus should have come earlier with a A330-300 enhanced version with more range payload and bigger engines. Not only did I think so, I opened a thread on it 3,5 yrs ago. Now if only Airbus had listened..

They did listen to you Keesje, they called this enhanced version A350, and look how it turned out.



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User currently offlineWunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Something blatantly obvious to everyone has just sprung to my attention. Ranges advertised by manufacturers are not at maximum payload.

Is there a website where one could find what the ranges are for all the main airliners at full payload? And is "full payload" a synomym of "MTOW"?

Thank you again for all your feedback - big help!

Yann.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2868 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 12):
Korean Airlines is using an A330-300 for its flight ICN-PRG-ICN (KE936/KE935) which is pretty long. I believe it's the longest scheduled nonstop flight operated by an A333.

ICN-PRG = 8258km / 5131mi / 4459nm.

That honour belongs to QF which operate BOM-SYD non-stop a distance of 5482 nm

Karan


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 22):
Is there a website where one could find what the ranges are for all the main airliners at full payload?

No, but there is some info on the manufacturer's websites. But it's quite hidden. Google about "payload-range (chart)".

Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 22):
And is "full payload" a synomym of "MTOW"?

No. Payload is payload and MTOW is MTOW. They're unrelated.



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25 Post contains links Viscount724 : The following Boeing table doesn't include range but it shows weights and dimensions and certain other data for Boeing (and Douglas/McDonnell-Douglas)
26 WunalaYann : Please allow me to rephrase. Do "taking off with full payload and fuel reserves" and "taking off at MTOW with full fuel reserves" mean the same thing
27 Trex8 : unless there are some mother of all tailwinds on that route, given SYD-PVG and PEK is apparently payload limited and both those are under 5000nm I ca
28 Karan69 : Actually the 333s do only the BOM-SYD route non-stop, the SYD- BOM route makes a technical stop at DRW, so there are a hell lot tail winds in the BOM
29 Mir : All long haul traffic follows the great circle route (which is the most direct route) as much as possible, taking into account the effects of the win
30 A340313X : The A300-300X has the centre fuel tank from the A330-200 incresing the range to 5500nm from 4600nm. The 'E' varient is an advancement of the X with th
31 OldAeroGuy : They also use OEW's that are lighter than most airlines specify, particularly for airplanes used on long haul operatons. The 2% - 4% fuel mileage det
32 Trex8 : all NW recent A333 deliveries have been E version, I believe also CX, I've not seen anywhere that MTOW is affected and JP Fleets shows NW E versions
33 Post contains images A342 : According to Zeke, CX's 233k A333s have a 4000nm range with full payload (pax + cargo), not counting winds. A good explanation.
34 Post contains links and images EI321 : and View Large View MediumPhoto © Nicholas A Vollaro
35 Post contains images Lrgt : Since these are all medium-range routes, the A330-300 is too big (more frequency on 757/767 sized aircraft is favored). The plane doesn't have the ra
36 A340313X : Of course, I was thinking of GE versions....!
37 Post contains images WunalaYann : Thank you, it makes sense. So if I fill up the fuel tanks to the last drop, how much payload can I fit on my 330-343X and then how far can I fly with
38 Post contains links Mir : Indeed there is, and here is an example: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/7772sec3.pdf The charts start on page 4, and include payload
39 Post contains images WunalaYann : Thanks a million times, now that clears things up even more! So ranges can actually vary by a factor 2 depending on the payload/fuel configuration. In
40 Post contains links Trex8 : like these? courtesy of Zeke on another thread http://www.content.airbusworld.com/S.../docs/AC/DATA_CONSULT/AC_A330.pdf, can't seem to locate the A34
41 Karan69 : replace A330 with A340 in the above link Karan
42 Mir : Well, it worked out that way in this case, but it isn't always going to be a difference of 100% between full payload and full fuel - it varies by air
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