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US Lifts Ban On Lebanon  
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

After more than 2 decades, the US lifted the ban on Lebanon. Here is the quote from Naharnet:

U.S. President Bush lifted a ban on air traffic to Lebanon imposed since the 1985 hijacking of a TWA jetliner to Beirut.
A press release issued by the White House said Bush was determined that the “prohibition of transportation services to Lebanon … is herby further amended to permit U.S. air carriers under contract to the United States Government to engage in foreign air transportation to and from Lebanon of passengers, including U.S. and non-U.S. citizens.”

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User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

I read it earlier on www.naharnet.com .

Excellent news (once confirmed).

If this happens, i can see DL jump on it from JFK. (JFK -BEY)
Perhaps NWA DTW-BEY.

MEA To JFK or DTW?




Regards
F-OMEA



On the internet you can be anything you want..its strange so many choose to be Stupid.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

"U.S. air carriers under contract to the United States Government to engage in foreign air transportation to and from Lebanon of passengers, including U.S. and non-U.S. citizens"

-This means only contracted military flights?


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Why now, of all times?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1388 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Why now, of all times?

Can't tell if that's meant to be sarcastic or not. It's to supply aid to the beleagured pro-western Lebanese government, while they fight al-Qaeda inspired militants.

From the above quote, it sounds like it's just military/USG planes. Too bad. Would love to see commercial flights jump in.


User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Excellent news! I say JFK-BEY and DTW-BEY really soon.

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 4):
Can't tell if that's meant to be sarcastic or not.

No not at all; I figured if the US would have pulled back restrictions it would have been post Syrian pullback and pre Israeli incursion, and not whilst Lebanon was battling Al-Qaeda relatives in Tripoli.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 4):
It's to supply aid to the beleagured pro-western Lebanese government, while they fight al-Qaeda inspired militants.

Makes sense...



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

Quoting OD720 (Thread starter):
to permit U.S. air carriers under contract to the United States Government

Can someone explain this? It seems to be referring to military ops. Therefore all the suspected plans of DL entering the market is worthless at this point.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Quoting OD720 (Thread starter):
permit U.S. air carriers under contract to the United States Government to engage in foreign air transportation to and from Lebanon of passengers, including U.S. and non-U.S. citizens.”

It clearly says "of passengers, including U.S. and non-U.S. citizens"

In any case, it would become clearer probably in the coming few hours or day.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

I would assume "under contract to the United States government" simply refers to the registration of the aircraft and the airline flying it.

User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 1):
If this happens, i can see DL jump on it from JFK. (JFK -BEY)
Perhaps NWA DTW-BEY.

I think that at first, US airlines would pefer to codeshare with MEA instead of sending their own planes. One step at a time.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Let me clear this up..


Here is a copy of the White House Memorandum on this issue:

Quote:
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
June 6, 2007
Memorandum for the Secretary of Transportation

White House News

SUBJECT: Partial Resumption of Travel to Lebanon to Promote Peace and Security

By virtue of the authority vested in me by 49 U.S.C. 40106(b) and for the purpose of promoting peace and security in Lebanon, I hereby determine that the prohibition of transportation services to Lebanon established by Presidential Determination 85-14 of July 1, 1985, as amended by Presidential Determination 92-41 of August 17, 1992, and Presidential Determination 98-32 of June 19, 1998, is hereby further amended to permit U.S. air carriers under contract to the United States Government to engage in foreign air transportation to and from Lebanon of passengers, including U.S. and non-U.S. citizens, and their accompanying baggage; of goods for humanitarian purposes; and of any other cargo or material.

All other prohibitions set forth in the above-referenced Presidential determinations remain in effect.


You are directed to implement this determination immediately.
You are authorized and directed to publish this determination in the Federal Register.

This ammendment was required and requested specifically by a few US airlines that have been charted by the US government to provide both cargo and if needed for passenger flights to Lebanon.

You can somewhat read between the lines of what US thinking is about the latest Lebanon tension build up.



The prohibition still very much remains in effect and bars and regularly scheduled commercial services between the countries.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

Very interesting indeed...

Which airlines do you think would be interested in this route?

NW, DL perhaps?


User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 13):
Which airlines do you think would be interested in this route?


Most will be Skyteam members.

NW , DL, ME .


Regards
F-OMEA



On the internet you can be anything you want..its strange so many choose to be Stupid.
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

ME's A332 can do BEY-JFK non-stop no problem. Like to see them jump on this.

Not good news for RJ.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Where in US are the biggest population of Lebanese-ians?

Just curious

Micke//  Confused



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

This will help MEA become a full member for Skyteam sooner I believe. They are already an associate member. I could see NW to be the first airline to Lebanon if it happens as the Detroit area and midwest house a lot of mid-easterners.


"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

You guys still dont quite understand this


This order Does not in anyway change the ban on regular commercial services to Lebanon. The prohibition remains very much in place.


All this allows if for US air carriers under contract to the US Government to fly missions to Lebanon.

If you are not aware of recent on goings, the US government much prefer to use a less overt method then sending USAF aircraft.

Quote:
New US military aid for Lebanon
Saturday, 26 May 2007

US military planes have delivered more equipment to the Lebanese army, as its stand-off with Islamic militants at a Palestinian refugee camp continued.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6695055.stm

In addition the passenger portion of this memorandum is incase either troops needs to be sent to support ops, or a humanitarian evacuation becomes necessary from Lebanon as was the case last summer.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineMEACEDAR From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Where in US are the biggest population of Lebanese-ians?

I would say Detroit, then Boston.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

You guys really need to read carefully....................

User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7241 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
You guys still dont quite understand this


This order Does not in anyway change the ban on regular commercial services to Lebanon. The prohibition remains very much in place.


All this allows if for US air carriers under contract to the US Government to fly missions to Lebanon.

If you are not aware of recent on goings, the US government much prefer to use a less overt method then sending USAF aircraft.

Exactly. The only US Airliners that might fly to BEY are airliners under charter from the government. Also I would not be to surprised to see some Atlas or Southern Air 747s go to BEY with equitment etc.. for the Lebanese government. But this planes would be under contract by the US government which would allow them to fly to BEY.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Where in US are the biggest population of Lebanese-ians?

Lebaneseians? The country is called Lebanon and the people are called Lebanese.  Smile



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27231 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 23):
Lebaneseians? The country is called Lebanon and the people are called Lebanese.

Haha  laughing  And from a European too!!!

It would be good to see flights from BEY to JFK on ME but I dont think it will happen as stated above its more to let aid (arms) into BEY to fight the rebels. Still its a start I guess.


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

HAHA it is really funny to read this post. Some members explaining the information (flights are not scheduled passenger flights), while others totally ignoring it with suppositions as to who will get route rights first and to where.. Big grin


There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Where in US are the biggest population of Lebanese-ians?

Micke - I read that as Lesbian at first, I guess my mind is in the gutter.

I would say the Detroit Michigan area as Lebonese have lived there for many generations. Oh and Toledo too because that is where Max Klinger is from.


25 NASCARAirforce : Northwests new 787s will be good for this too on DTW-BEY, which they won't have to make that Shannon stop like RJ does when flying between DTW and Am
26 MEACEDAR : I just heard on LBC, a Lebanese tv network, the MEA's President, El-Hout, said that they are thinking about applying to some US destinations. I say JF
27 BA : They would need to order additional aircraft. The four A330-200s MEA has on order are replacing its existing three leased A330-200s, so they will hav
28 BrightCedars : The text is very clear, this is to allow the likes of World Airways and Polar Air Cargo and co to operate flights to BEY on behalf of the US Governmen
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