LIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5483 times:
Jetstar Airways of Australia, the subsidiary of Qantas, is looking to expand long-haul network into Europe within 2 years. First destinations JQ is considering flying to are Athens and Rome once they get enough 787s. Flights to Europe would be routed via Bangkok.
New services to Athens and Rome via Bangkok could begin operating as early as 2009, Jetstar chief Alan Joyce told BusinessDaily yesterday.
He said a European operation aimed at winning traffic from Australia's large Italian and Greek communities would follow once Jetstar had bedded in its longhaul Asian operation launched in November.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
Wonder if they will ever serve MAN - there would be demand but yields could be an issue if it was QF, so Jetstar with its lower costs could be a good option. I appreciate that London Airways might not like it but AFAIK Jetstar aren't in OneWorld
David_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7145 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5237 times:
Quoting Humberside (Reply 4): I appreciate that London Airways might not like it but AFAIK Jetstar aren't in OneWorld
If that certain CAA survey is right, some 150-180,000 passengers route MAN-elsewhere-Australia a year. The elsewhere known as LHR only accounts for about 30-40,000 of them. I would imagine that given the reputed high number of passengers that are meant to route MAN-elswhere-BKK (up to 100,000 a year) then a MAN-BKK-Australia routing could see QR, EK and SQ losing some pax and QF (and BA?) being glad to get some more revenue for their group.
"Mr Joyce said Taiwan, Korean and Southern Europe would be potential destinations for Jetstar over the next few years.In the long term it would look at servicing northern Europe."
LIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5054 times:
Quoting LurveBus (Reply 2): I wonder how this would affect QF's codeshare with CX on the FCO route.
According to the australian DOTARS it seems Qantas is allowed to codeshare up to 600 weekly seats. Since Cathay Pacific flies to Rome with a 383-seats daily service (747-400), it means that up to 11% of CX's offered capacity on that route may be sold by QF (about 42 seats per flight). I think it is not such a problem for CX flying without QF's codeshare.
NORTHERNSUMMER 2007: 25 MARCH 2007 / 28 OCTOBER 2007
country : ITALY
carrier : QANTAS - CODE SHARE ON CATHAY PACIFIC
frequencies : 7
seats : MAX 600
route : HKG-FCO vv
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 9, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4873 times:
The BKK stop to ATH and FCO makes sense....
Australia - ATH/FCO seats will be filled easily with ethnic traffic and general holiday traffic.
Thailand is also a very popular destination from Greece and Italy, so there will also be point to point Europe-BKK and Australia-BKK traffic as well..
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4733 times:
Quoting Peh (Reply 10): Rome is a loooooooong way from Australia. Is there anyone here that would fly 24 hours with a low-budget, no frills, pack your own lunch carrier?
I don't care if I don't get a muffin on a one hour flight, but 24 hours. No way!
Seat pitch on JQ A330 is not so nasty.
You can purchase food on board, or BYO.
you can also get IFE and pillow/blanket at a cost.
Qantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1261 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4610 times:
I don't think I'd like to fly international on Jetstar, much less going to Rome!
I am looking forward to them going to Taiwan though, I wonder if they'll do it through Brisbane?
MainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2064 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4589 times:
Quoting David_itl (Reply 5): If that certain CAA survey is right, some 150-180,000 passengers route MAN-elsewhere-Australia a year. The elsewhere known as LHR only accounts for about 30-40,000 of them. I would imagine that given the reputed high number of passengers that are meant to route MAN-elswhere-BKK (up to 100,000 a year) then a MAN-BKK-Australia routing could see QR, EK and SQ losing some pax and QF (and BA?) being glad to get some more revenue for their group.
Not to mention the many thousands from the Midlands and NW who drive down to LHR. These figures are rising all the time.
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4303 times:
Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 12): I am looking forward to them going to Taiwan though, I wonder if they'll do it through Brisbane?
My guess is they would resume SYD-TPE, with EVA codesharing.
Although I think BNE-ICN would probably have priority.
Korea is a growing market, and QF could codeshare on Asiana ex-SYD and operate its own metal from BNE.
Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4283 times:
Would be cool to see JetStar flying SYD-BKK-HEL
Atleast LCC route HEL-BKK would attract passengers - and make Finnair mad (flies 2x daily to BKK in winter)...
Helsinki is closer to SYD than the other European capitals:
HEL-SYD........... 8200 Nautical miles
London - Sydney 9170
Paris-Sydney..... 9151
Frankfurt-Sydney 8893
Rome-Sydney ....8801
Athens-Sydney...8269
QantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1261 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 14): My guess is they would resume SYD-TPE, with EVA codesharing.
Yeah that would be a good bet, 6thfreedom. But would EVA codeshare on a Jetstar flight?
I'm surprised QF hasn't dropped Eva altogether in favour of China Airlines, who serve TPE through both BNE and SYD.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24 Reply 18, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3947 times:
Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 16): Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 14):
My guess is they would resume SYD-TPE, with EVA codesharing.
Yeah that would be a good bet, 6thfreedom. But would EVA codeshare on a Jetstar flight?
I'm surprised QF hasn't dropped Eva altogether in favour of China Airlines, who serve TPE through both BNE and SYD.
That's not 6th freedom. SYD-TPE on an Australian or Taiwanese carrier is 3rd/4th freedom. 6th freedom would be CX carrying a passenger SYD-HKG-TPE or TG SYD-BKK-TPE etc..
QantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1261 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3922 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18): That's not 6th freedom. SYD-TPE on an Australian or Taiwanese carrier is 3rd/4th freedom. 6th freedom would be CX carrying a passenger SYD-HKG-TPE or TG SYD-BKK-TPE etc..
I think you misunderstood. I meant 6thfreedom as in the username, I was responding to him.
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3078 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3858 times:
Is this a threat to EK and their plans of being the dominant carrier on the Europe-DXB-Oz market? Or is this so insignificant in size that it's not going to matter to EK?
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3801 times:
It's surprising that QF can't fly to Athens and turn a profit considering Australia has the largest Greek population outside of Greece, especially in Melbourne.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (5 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 23): It's surprising that QF can't fly to Athens and turn a profit considering Australia has the largest Greek population outside of Greece, especially in Melbourne.
not really , VFR ( Visiting Friends and Relations ) traffic is notoriously low yield . There is a lot of competition ( TG , SQ etc ) . I also wonder how close the ties are these days anyway - aren't most of Melbournes "Greeks" are second or third generation Australians - do they really all feel strongly linked to Greece anymore ?
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25 VHVXB: Its changed now. Chicago has the biggest followed by Melbourne
26 6thfreedom: VFR markets ex-Australia (Filipino, Greek, Italian etc) are notorious for taking back gifts etc, which translates in 30kg+ luggage. I wonder how the e
27 VHVXB: JQ has pricing option for extra baggage when you book your ticket. It works to be cheaper paying for it when your purchase your ticket compared to ju
28 6thfreedom: But if you're still having to pay for it upfront, it makes it less appealing than paying for your fare with all inclusive baggage allowance. I would
29 ANstar: You heard right! Second meal was a Meat Pie!!!
30 Melpax: Even though a lot of the Greeks & Italians here are 2nd & 3rd generation, a lot of them still maintain ties to family back home & it's common for a l
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