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Jetstar Plans Flights To ATH And FCO Via BKK  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Jetstar Airways of Australia, the subsidiary of Qantas, is looking to expand long-haul network into Europe within 2 years. First destinations JQ is considering flying to are Athens and Rome once they get enough 787s. Flights to Europe would be routed via Bangkok.


New services to Athens and Rome via Bangkok could begin operating as early as 2009, Jetstar chief Alan Joyce told BusinessDaily yesterday.

He said a European operation aimed at winning traffic from Australia's large Italian and Greek communities would follow once Jetstar had bedded in its longhaul Asian operation launched in November.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21861389-664,00.html

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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

I believe that was announced at the time of JQ's launch, or at least for its long-haul product.

User currently offlineLurveBus From Philippines, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

I wonder how this would affect QF's codeshare with CX on the FCO route.

User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

Quoting LurveBus (Reply 2):
I wonder how this would affect QF's codeshare with CX on the FCO route.

I don't think that will cause much troubles as JQ cater for a quite different sort of customers.

In addition to Europe, JQ is also looking to add new flights to Taiwan and Korea, and is to go double daily to Bali.

Jetstar bound for Bali as market rebounds


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4923 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Wonder if they will ever serve MAN - there would be demand but yields could be an issue if it was QF, so Jetstar with its lower costs could be a good option. I appreciate that London Airways might not like it but AFAIK Jetstar aren't in OneWorld


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6431 times:
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Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
I appreciate that London Airways might not like it but AFAIK Jetstar aren't in OneWorld

If that certain CAA survey is right, some 150-180,000 passengers route MAN-elsewhere-Australia a year. The elsewhere known as LHR only accounts for about 30-40,000 of them. I would imagine that given the reputed high number of passengers that are meant to route MAN-elswhere-BKK (up to 100,000 a year) then a MAN-BKK-Australia routing could see QR, EK and SQ losing some pax and QF (and BA?) being glad to get some more revenue for their group.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
Wonder if they will ever serve MAN

"Mr Joyce said Taiwan, Korean and Southern Europe would be potential destinations for Jetstar over the next few years.In the long term it would look at servicing northern Europe."


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 3):
Quoting LurveBus (Reply 2):
I wonder how this would affect QF's codeshare with CX on the FCO route.

I don't think that will cause much troubles as JQ cater for a quite different sort of customers.

I would say it would stay initially, but it makes no sense for QF to keep coding with CX and not send the business JQ's way.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Quoting LurveBus (Reply 2):
I wonder how this would affect QF's codeshare with CX on the FCO route.

According to the australian DOTARS it seems Qantas is allowed to codeshare up to 600 weekly seats. Since Cathay Pacific flies to Rome with a 383-seats daily service (747-400), it means that up to 11% of CX's offered capacity on that route may be sold by QF (about 42 seats per flight). I think it is not such a problem for CX flying without QF's codeshare.



NORTHERNSUMMER 2007: 25 MARCH 2007 / 28 OCTOBER 2007

country : ITALY
carrier : QANTAS - CODE SHARE ON CATHAY PACIFIC
frequencies : 7
seats : MAX 600
route : HKG-FCO vv

http://www.dotars.gov.au/aviation/in...national/xl/NS_2007_TT_Summary.xls


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

The BKK stop to ATH and FCO makes sense....

Australia - ATH/FCO seats will be filled easily with ethnic traffic and general holiday traffic.
Thailand is also a very popular destination from Greece and Italy, so there will also be point to point Europe-BKK and Australia-BKK traffic as well..


User currently offlinePeh From Australia, joined Nov 2006, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

Rome is a loooooooong way from Australia. Is there anyone here that would fly 24 hours with a low-budget, no frills, pack your own lunch carrier?

I don't care if I don't get a muffin on a one hour flight, but 24 hours. No way!



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

Quoting Peh (Reply 10):
Rome is a loooooooong way from Australia. Is there anyone here that would fly 24 hours with a low-budget, no frills, pack your own lunch carrier?

I don't care if I don't get a muffin on a one hour flight, but 24 hours. No way!

Seat pitch on JQ A330 is not so nasty.
You can purchase food on board, or BYO.
you can also get IFE and pillow/blanket at a cost.


User currently offlineQantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

I don't think I'd like to fly international on Jetstar, much less going to Rome!
I am looking forward to them going to Taiwan though, I wonder if they'll do it through Brisbane?



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 5):
If that certain CAA survey is right, some 150-180,000 passengers route MAN-elsewhere-Australia a year. The elsewhere known as LHR only accounts for about 30-40,000 of them. I would imagine that given the reputed high number of passengers that are meant to route MAN-elswhere-BKK (up to 100,000 a year) then a MAN-BKK-Australia routing could see QR, EK and SQ losing some pax and QF (and BA?) being glad to get some more revenue for their group.

Not to mention the many thousands from the Midlands and NW who drive down to LHR. These figures are rising all the time.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

Quoting Qantasairways (Reply 12):
I am looking forward to them going to Taiwan though, I wonder if they'll do it through Brisbane?

My guess is they would resume SYD-TPE, with EVA codesharing.

Although I think BNE-ICN would probably have priority.
Korea is a growing market, and QF could codeshare on Asiana ex-SYD and operate its own metal from BNE.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

Would be cool to see JetStar flying SYD-BKK-HEL  Wink
Atleast LCC route HEL-BKK would attract passengers - and make Finnair mad (flies 2x daily to BKK in winter)...

Helsinki is closer to SYD than the other European capitals:

HEL-SYD........... 8200 Nautical miles

London - Sydney 9170
Paris-Sydney..... 9151
Frankfurt-Sydney 8893
Rome-Sydney ....8801
Athens-Sydney...8269

http://www.etn.nl/distance.htm


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 14):
My guess is they would resume SYD-TPE, with EVA codesharing.

Yeah that would be a good bet, 6thfreedom. But would EVA codeshare on a Jetstar flight?
I'm surprised QF hasn't dropped Eva altogether in favour of China Airlines, who serve TPE through both BNE and SYD.

Cheers
johann



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 16):
But would EVA codeshare on a Jetstar flight?

JAL codes on the KIX-BNE/SYD flight, so i dont see why not...

Only thing is JQ might have to change model for meals etc..


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 16):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 14):
My guess is they would resume SYD-TPE, with EVA codesharing.

Yeah that would be a good bet, 6thfreedom. But would EVA codeshare on a Jetstar flight?
I'm surprised QF hasn't dropped Eva altogether in favour of China Airlines, who serve TPE through both BNE and SYD.

That's not 6th freedom. SYD-TPE on an Australian or Taiwanese carrier is 3rd/4th freedom. 6th freedom would be CX carrying a passenger SYD-HKG-TPE or TG SYD-BKK-TPE etc..


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
That's not 6th freedom. SYD-TPE on an Australian or Taiwanese carrier is 3rd/4th freedom. 6th freedom would be CX carrying a passenger SYD-HKG-TPE or TG SYD-BKK-TPE etc..

I think you misunderstood. I meant 6thfreedom as in the username, I was responding to him.

Cheers



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25626 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 19):
I think you misunderstood. I meant 6thfreedom as in the username, I was responding to him.

Thanks. Sorry for the confusion.


User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting QantasAirways (Reply 19):
Thanks. Sorry for the confusion.

Thats alright  Smile no problems



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Is this a threat to EK and their plans of being the dominant carrier on the Europe-DXB-Oz market? Or is this so insignificant in size that it's not going to matter to EK?


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

It's surprising that QF can't fly to Athens and turn a profit considering Australia has the largest Greek population outside of Greece, especially in Melbourne.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8579 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4985 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 23):
It's surprising that QF can't fly to Athens and turn a profit considering Australia has the largest Greek population outside of Greece, especially in Melbourne.

not really , VFR ( Visiting Friends and Relations ) traffic is notoriously low yield . There is a lot of competition ( TG , SQ etc ) . I also wonder how close the ties are these days anyway - aren't most of Melbournes "Greeks" are second or third generation Australians - do they really all feel strongly linked to Greece anymore ?



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25 VHVXB : Its changed now. Chicago has the biggest followed by Melbourne
26 6thfreedom : VFR markets ex-Australia (Filipino, Greek, Italian etc) are notorious for taking back gifts etc, which translates in 30kg+ luggage. I wonder how the e
27 VHVXB : JQ has pricing option for extra baggage when you book your ticket. It works to be cheaper paying for it when your purchase your ticket compared to ju
28 6thfreedom : But if you're still having to pay for it upfront, it makes it less appealing than paying for your fare with all inclusive baggage allowance. I would
29 ANstar : You heard right! Second meal was a Meat Pie!!!
30 Melpax : Even though a lot of the Greeks & Italians here are 2nd & 3rd generation, a lot of them still maintain ties to family back home & it's common for a l
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