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Why No Air France To Abu Dhabi?  
User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

I was wondering why Air France doesn't fly to Abu Dhabi (AUH)... Etihad (EY) is only having a single daily frequency to CDG and AF could use its extensive hub to serve Abu Dhabi.

Their A332 would be perfect for the route... Is it because they are short on A330's that they haven't opened it? or because KLM goes there? Connecting through DXB is too much of a hassle especially for the lucrative C-class travellers.

France has been tying extensive ties with the Emirate of Abu Dhabi especially on the cultural front recently opening the Sorbonne (famous French university, a section of the Louvre...)

Air France cargo does however fly to AUH.


MEA raising the Cedar far up in the sky
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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

Air France used to fly to AUH until 1998 with A310-300.*The flight was routing CDG-RUH-AUH.

AF propose a Limousine service to/from AUH for Business/First Class passengers arriving/departing at/from DXB.

As you said, the line is now KLM's job on behalf of AFKL, just like KWI. Probably AUH traffic/demand doesn't require the presence of both AF and KL at Abu Dhabi.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

AF also codeshares with KLM to AUH

User currently offlineIberiaA319 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 574 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
AF propose a Limousine service to/from AUH for Business/First Class passengers arriving/departing at/from DXB.

Yes, that's right, a limo service was offered from DXB. Abu Dhabi was still in AF's destination map, but was not flying there anymore, so AF passengers had to take the single flight to DXB first. This limo service was discontinued at some point in 2002.

Well I thought that Abu Dhabi flights were offered by AF until the end of 2001. For the 2001 summer timetable, one of the highlights was that 2 non-stop flights to AUH would be introduced and 3 via Riyadh. (just read this in a 2001 airliners.net thread: AF Summer Routes Presentation (by L'Espace180 Mar 6 2001 in Civil Aviation))


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6110 times:

Quoting IberiaA319 (Reply 3):
Well I thought that Abu Dhabi flights were offered by AF until the end of 2001

Correct. Air France closed AUH during the winter 2001/2003 program, and not in 1998.

It was part of a reduced program following 9/11 and the recession in the aviation business
At the same period, AF closed DFW on January 7th 2002, cancelled the second flight to MIA, and reduced frequencies to BOS, IAD.


User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

They could still have an A319ER DEDICATE on the AUH route just like RUH... I've flown many times on A319ER of AF, and they're really confortable flights...

the small number of passengers (around 110) is really a plus , with excellent timings (daytime eastbounds and red-eye back to CDG)



MEA raising the Cedar far up in the sky
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

Quoting GoMEA (Reply 5):
the small number of passengers (around 110)

82. 28J/54Y




Quoting GoMEA (Reply 5):
They could still have an A319ER DEDICATE on the AUH route just like RUH

They could ... but that would compete with KLM. And this is not a good policy for an airline to compete with... itself
It could endanger the profitability of KLM flight to AUH.
What do you think is better ?

- AF & KLM serving both AUH, but with lower loads (PAX spread on the two airlines) and less profit and "compete" each other on a route that doesn't really require two carrier

- KLM servig alone AUH, means higher yield, higher loads, more frequencies, more profits


User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5650 times:

Would/Could a AF-operated CDG<-->AUH route perform better than a KL-operated AMS<-->AUH route?

--- Personally, I think routes from AMS would usually be lower yielding than any route from CDG, except routes between AMS and the Netherland Antilles or Indonesia.



--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5621 times:

The EY AUH-CDG is going or is already at double daily isint it?

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

AF Cargo still operate to Abu Dhabi.

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 7):
Would/Could a AF-operated CDG<-->AUH route perform better than a KL-operated AMS<-->AUH route?

KLM has been well established on this route so unless there's a surge of demand, AF would rather focus on Dubai.


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