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Why Does AA Call Their MD80's "Super 80's"?  
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

I mean, there surely isn't anything super about them, why do AA folks call their MD80's super? I'll admit it annoys me a little, Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4747 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

When the MD80 series was first launched, the official designation was DC-9-80. From a marketing standpoint, MDD called the version the "Super 80." AA stuck with the marketing nick-name. Alitalia did the same as well (look at their engines, they say "Super 80"

The first official MD-8X designation was either the -87 or the -88 I believe. All models before that were certified as DC-9-8Xs.



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User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 280 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10883 times:

The original aircraft designation is actually a DC-9-80. However, several airlines at the time really wanted to differentiate this aircraft with the other DC-9 series (-10,-15,-20,-30,-40,-50). American and the "old" Frontier both used the Super 80 designation. The Super 80 was quite a different aircraft from the previous series aircraft in that it had much better performance, more capacity, fuel efficient (over the 727 and 737-200 they were replacing) and at the time, a very quiet aircraft compared to others. The Super 80 designation allowed these airlines to market the aircraft as basically a new airplane rather than a variation of an old airplane.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10883 times:

The -60 series (61/62/63) DC-8s were also commonly referred to as the "Super 60" series when they were launched.

User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

Back in the late 60's/early 70's DL referred to their DC9-10'x, 15's as a "DC-9" a DC-9 30 or higher was referred to as a Super DC-9. It makes the customers think they are getting more for their money!


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User currently offlineAASuper80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10846 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
I'll admit it annoys me a little, Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...

Well that's because Delta does not own the Super80! I think it's a cute name, and personally, I think they are SUPER

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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

Didn't MDD do the same thing with the stretches of the DC-8's as well, calling them "super 8's" or something like that?


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10729 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 6):
Didn't MDD do the same thing with the stretches of the DC-8's as well, calling them "super 8's" or something like that?

Indeed.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
The -60 series (61/62/63) DC-8s were also commonly referred to as the "Super 60" series when they were launched.


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10648 times:

I would like Boeing to consider nicknaming the 748i the "Super 747" as a tip of the hat to MD. Just a thought.

User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10621 times:

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 5):
I think they are SUPER

I agree, dont care much for AA, but the plane is FAR more comfortable than a 737 or A-320 IMHO. Love the 3-2 thing. When you travel in a pair, as i always do, its perfect, and if you travel in a group of three, again its perfect.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 9):
Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 5):
I think they are SUPER

I agree, dont care much for AA, but the plane is FAR more comfortable than a 737 or A-320 IMHO. Love the 3-2 thing. When you travel in a pair, as i always do, its perfect, and if you travel in a group of three, again its perfect.

Couldn't agree more. It IS super in more ways than it frequently gets credit for.


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10451 times:

Which reminds me... when IS NW going to get rid of those aging DC-9s? Big grin


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10415 times:

Quoting InnocuousFox (Reply 11):
Which reminds me... when IS NW going to get rid of those aging DC-9s?

Right after they finish shuttling the 320 pilots back from the desert.


User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

There were Super DC-3s,Super Phantoms, and also Super Hornets.


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User currently offlineMymorningsong From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10333 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 9):
I agree, dont care much for AA, but the plane is FAR more comfortable than a 737 or A-320 IMHO



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 10):
Couldn't agree more. It IS super in more ways than it frequently gets credit for.

Help a brother out and explain how. I have flown AA's Super 80's a dozen or so times the past 3 years. I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines), outdated, stuffy and basically in bad condition. Most of my flights are typically on WN's 737's and various A32x's from other airlines, which I find relatively similar in terms of comfort. The 2-3 thing just makes me feel like I'm in an poor mans 757.

Granted that those LCC's have much newer fleets vs. AA's 80's. But did a new 80 really compare to a new NG or A32x in terms of comfort?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10318 times:

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines),



Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
But did a new 80 really compare to a new NG or A32x in terms of comfort?

It all depends on prospective. I don't think most would deny that 2x3 is more comfortable for 1/3rd of the passengers on the aircraft than 3x3 is. Just because AA's configuration isn't the best these days doesn't mean that an MD80 in the right hands couldn't easily be as or more comfortable than a 737 or A320. As far as being loud goes, they are very, very quiet toward the front because of engine location. It is sitting back by the engines that gets you.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines

Drowns out the screaming children.


User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10227 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
When the MD80 series was first launched, the official designation was DC-9-80. From a marketing standpoint, MDD called the version the "Super 80." AA stuck with the marketing nick-name. Alitalia did the same as well (look at their engines, they say "Super 80"

The first official MD-8X designation was either the -87 or the -88 I believe. All models before that were certified as DC-9-8Xs.

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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10163 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
I'll admit it annoys me a little, Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...

Yeah, I agree. It sounds pretentious and corny at the same time.


User currently offlineAASuper80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
Help a brother out and explain how. I have flown AA's Super 80's a dozen or so times the past 3 years. I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines), outdated, stuffy and basically in bad condition. Most of my flights are typically on WN's 737's and various A32x's from other airlines, which I find relatively similar in terms of comfort. The 2-3 thing just makes me feel like I'm in an poor mans 757.

You have to be kidding? If you sit anywhere before row 20 and 21, the plane is almsot silent! Especially in the F cabin, sometimes it doesn't even sound like engines are on. AA's Super80's have had cabin upgrades, they are not outdated, especially compared to their 757,and 762 fleet. The 2/3 configuration has nothing to do with a "poor mans" anything, it's because the plane has a long sleek body, and it's really nice to not have a middle seat. They are extremly reliable as an aircraft, will be around for a while longer.


User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
outdated, stuffy and basically in bad condition.

It's strange to see someone write this. AA's Super 80s feature the same interior as the much newer 738s and 777s. The seats are very similar (even wider than the 737s) and the aircraft features new sidewalls, carpet and overhead bins. The Super 80s were overhauled between 2000 and 2002. The only difference is they don't have IFE. As far as interiors go, I think the Super 80s are in great shape. Even the lavs are completely overhauled.

The 80 has it's limits, for sure, but AA's are in great shape.



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User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9186 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
As far as being loud goes, they are very, very quiet toward the front because of engine location.

I fly the MD80 every month to DFW. I notice that they are NOT very, very quiet in the first class section. They are relatively noisy in that compartment. Then, if you walk back toward the tail, you notice that it is much quieter in the front of the economy section until you get to about the middle of the plane. Then the noise increases substantially until you get to the rear where it is very loud next to the engines. Does anyone else notice this? I often see posts that say they are really quiet in the front, but this is not my experience. And I've done this routine of walking from first class, all the way to the rear of the plane many times, and its always the same. Loud in the font, relatively quiet in the middle, very loud in the rear. What causes it to be so noisy in the first class cabin since the engines are in the rear? I think some airlines have installed some sort of noise canceling devices in MD80 cabins.


User currently offlineMidEx216 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 2):
a very quiet aircraft compared to others.

It's a sad day when we call the MD-80 series a quiet aircraft.



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User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Drowns out the screaming children.

I might be deaf, but I don't mind sitting in the back on G4's MD80s. It isn't THAT bad...


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9102 times:
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Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
Delta doesn't say, "Super 88"...

A Super 88 was an Oldsmobile...

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 9):
Love the 3-2 thing. When you travel in a pair, as i always do, its perfect, and if you travel in a group of three, again its perfect.

I agree. The 2 side is where I always try to sit on a DC-9.

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
I have found them loud (crazy loud in the back by the engines),

I like the engine sound. I have never flown on a AA MD-80, but flew on TWA MD-80s lots of times and NW DC-9s dozens of times. Ever flown in the last row where the window looks out onto the engine? That is a noisy seat. Did that DTW-MKE on a DC-9 in 2000.

Quoting AASuper80 (Reply 19):
If you sit anywhere before row 20 and 21, the plane is almsot silent! Especially in the F cabin

DC-9s are very quiet in F and in the lower number rows.

Quoting Mymorningsong (Reply 14):
Granted that those LCC's have much newer fleets vs. AA's 80's. But did a new 80 really compare to a new NG or A32x in terms of comfort?

Depends how you outfit the plane. An MD-80 with 2-2 seating in big leather seats would beat the average A-320 any day. An A320 set up the same would beat out most MD-80s. It just depends.



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25 Stapleton : When looking back to the introduction of the DC-9-80 (Super 80, MD-80) it is amazing how much quieter airliners have become. I remember Frontier usin
26 DeltaDC9 : I think the differences people complain about are minor. I agree, and I STILL dont see why anyone complains about the 777
27 T56A15 : Flew PIT- MSP a few weeks back on a NW DC-9-50 in row 5 right behind first class and it was very quiet. Return trip on a -30 right over the wing and
28 Skyhawk62507 : Better yet... Delta 88s? GM would probably have a problem with that, though...
29 Parabolica : Good afternoon all, I have been meaning to make a thread related to this, but with a slightly different bent. My question for this thread is : Why all
30 STLGph : It's not bad at all. As MD mentioned above and I add to it ... ...or people falling asleep and snoring. I often prefer to sit in the back. I can put
31 DeltaDC9 : I always feel more cramped on a 737 or 320.
32 N960AS : I never understand the almost weekly hating on the AA M80s. I think I usually fly about 10-20 AA M80 segments a year (plus AS M80s) and they are fine
33 Acey559 : I was on a DL MD-88 last month when I went to CVG. I hadn't flown on one since the previous summer, but I really like them, especially with DL's leath
34 UAL747 : I miss the "Luxury Liner" designation given to the AA widebodies. It should be "777 Luxury Liner." The good ole days of AA. UAL
35 Post contains images Captaink : I am with you on that. It is very comfortable and quiet aircraft (depends on where you sit) Except for a few rows at the back the MD80 is quieter on
36 Luv2fly : All the planes had the "Luxury Liner" titles.
37 Captaink : If I remember correctly, some or all the narrowbodies were titled "Luxury Jets"
38 Caspian27 : I'm pretty sure that MD marketed them as the "Super 80." I remember when my Dad was working for Frontier in the early 80's and they had just gotten th
39 Post contains images Falstaff : Some people seem to hate the MD-80s and the DC-9s. Why? Is is because they are getting on in years? The latest and greatest will be old one day too. I
40 Evan767 : Just pointing something out: Whenever I sit near the front in a DL MD-88, you can hardly even notice the pilot push the throttles forward. It's just a
41 Mymorningsong : To be fair, I've been on some that seemed like they were in okay shape, but many that weren't. Nothing I have seen has been excellent. Maybe I don't
42 EIPremier : I agree with you. I really like the graceful lines of the MD-80s, and I think they are one of the best looking planes in the sky. Also, I like how it
43 Falstaff : big deal, I have sat next to the bathroom on a A-320 before. It wasn't any different than a DC-9.
44 Bennett123 : IMO configuration is more important than aircraft type. I have flown in MD87, (Iberia) B737 Classics and A320. I generally prefer the A320, but recent
45 Uscgc130 : Back in the '80s I flew on 727s and MD-80s a lot. The MD-80s were significantly quieter. I've never set foot aboard an Airbus, so I have no basis for
46 UAL747 : Nope, wrong. Only the widebodies had "Luxury Liner" on them. Narrowbodies were "Luxury Jets." The "Liner" made it sound like you were about to depart
47 Junction : Some of you may remember the Super80 displayed as "S80" in schedule availability back when they were new instead of the current "M80". It was really s
48 Mirrodie : Now that was pretty funny. RIght?! The MD-80 is now the loudest thing flying. Funny how things change. Great aircraft.
49 Post contains images PGNCS : Wow! I don't even know where to start here! Let's see: It has excellent dispatch reliability, good performance, has 1/3 fewer middle seats than a 737
50 DeltaDC9 : Which reminds me, Eastern Airlines alsways had "WhisperJet" on the back of their 727s, ironic huh? I guess they were quiet compared to a DC8 or 707,
51 Post contains images PGNCS : LOL! I was thinking Bobcat Goldthwait!
52 MD-90 : I've always thought that Delta's MD-88 seats were slightly wider and had slightly better pitch than their 733s or 738s. I prefer them, just not in the
53 Viscount724 : The 727 was much quieter (inside) than earlier jets with wing-mounted engines. Even at the back close to the engines the 727 was quieter than the las
54 TrijetsRMissed : The AA MD-80's that are ex-TWA MD-83's are the newest and in great condition. Conversly, the ex-TWA MD-82's are very old (circa 1983) and were not re
55 AgnusBymaster : Good dispatch reliability? They don't call it the Maintenance Delay 80 for nothing. It seems like 1/2 of my flights on MD-80s, they are scrambling to
56 N1120A : USAirways did prior to their twin forays into Chapter 11 protection. SAS does, though their MD's are -87s and -90s.
57 DeltaDC9 : Which holds true for the 737 and 320 too because they start to get narrower back there yet the seats remain the same.
58 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : So I asked an AA flight attendant about what kind of aircraft he flew on. All he said was, "It's Super. Thanks for asking." [Edited 2007-06-11 23:27:2
59 Post contains images Jetmatt777 : LOL -Matt
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