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Northwest To DUS - Other New Dest. In Germany?  
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

I just saw that NW started flying DTW-DUS (with a 757 with winglets, btw). FRA is their only other destination in Germany.

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=634314

Are there any chances that they'll fly to TXL, too?

[Edited 2007-06-07 11:56:25]

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User currently offlineHMan From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

As much as I would like to see them here in BER I don't think it is going to happen. I think the 757s don't have the legs to do DTW-TXL and an A330 might be a bit much.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting HMan (Reply 1):
As much as I would like to see them here in BER I don't think it is going to happen. I think the 757s don't have the legs to do DTW-TXL and an A330 might be a bit much.

Compared to DUS it is only 300km more to TXL. However, it may get close to the 752's range, even with winglets. A330 is too big for Berlin, even the -200. Too bad they don't have 767s.


User currently offlineRiddle274 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

It's not a new destination, but NW has also increased frequency to FRA with a 752 in addition to the existing A333.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7077 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting HMan (Reply 1):
As much as I would like to see them here in BER I don't think it is going to happen. I think the 757s don't have the legs to do DTW-TXL and an A330 might be a bit much.

That would be really great my brother just started a job in Ann Arbor and a direct flight to Detroit would be perfect for me when I am back in Germany!!



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

If they do TXL then NW might as well do PRG with B752 ...just day dreaming Big grin


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

NWA flew to HAM in the past, but I don't think you will be seeing that come back.

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

So we can assume MUC is the most likely new German destination? (You know, relatively speaking...)


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
NWA flew to HAM in the past, but I don't think you will be seeing that come back.

My first jet flight ever was 25 years ago this month on NWA to HAM. DTW-JFK-CPH-HAM, 747's all the way.

How are these new flights performing, are they filling up? Any technical problems?



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User currently offlineN501US From United States of America, joined May 2005, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3000 times:
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Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
NWA flew to HAM in the past, but I don't think you will be seeing that come back

Hamburg dates back to the Northwest Orient days, right? (Just curious)


edited to fix spelling of Hamburg.

[Edited 2007-06-08 02:33:23]


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting N501US (Reply 9):
Haburg dates back to the Northwest Orient days, right? (Just curious)

Yes, it was Northwest Orient when I flew there with them in 82.



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 1410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Munich would be perfect but I don't think the 752 has the legs? The 787 should enable NW to offer the likes of MUC.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting Riddle274 (Reply 3):
It's not a new destination, but NW has also increased frequency to FRA with a 752 in addition to the existing A333.

Yes, it seems more and more American carriers are expanding in Europe.

Quoting Columba (Reply 4):
That would be really great my brother just started a job in Ann Arbor and a direct flight to Detroit would be perfect for me when I am back in Germany!!

It would be perfect with a DC-9, wouldn't it?

Quoting Jano (Reply 5):
If they do TXL then NW might as well do PRG with B752 ...just day dreaming Big grin

Sure, why not? Doesn't DL already?

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
NWA flew to HAM in the past, but I don't think you will be seeing that come back.

EK now flies HAM-JFK, that would be a strong competition.

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):
So we can assume MUC is the most likely new German destination? (You know, relatively speaking...)

Relatively speaking MUC was before DUS, so it's hard to tell what they'll do next.

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 8):
How are these new flights performing, are they filling up? Any technical problems?

They started on June 6th -two days ago - so it is hard to tell how they perform.

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 11):
Munich would be perfect but I don't think the 752 has the legs? The 787 should enable NW to offer the likes of MUC.

Almost 7,000km, 300 more than to FRA. Might become close.


User currently offlineSilver764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
Quoting Jano (Reply 5):
If they do TXL then NW might as well do PRG with B752 ...just day dreaming Big grin

Sure, why not? Doesn't DL already?

They do with a 767-300 not 757


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting Silver764 (Reply 13):

They do with a 767-300 not 757

Yes, has more range and greater capacity. But unfortunately NW doesn't have 767s.


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

NW relies on the Skyteam network to feeder passengers to their european gateways, namely AMS en CDG for a bit so I don't think they will expand too much into Europe unless there are destinations that can fill up the front end of the aircraft.


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User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Am I they only person that thinks flying in a B752 across the pond from the midwest does not sound like fun? I think NW should cut back NWA48 and NWA96 and change NWA68 and NWA52 to a B744. However, I think service from KDTW-EDDV would be helpful with Wolfsburg and Detroit.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 16):
However, I think service from KDTW-EDDV would be helpful with Wolfsburg and Detroit.

Because of VW? They don't have as much US operations as BMW or Mercedes, and if some VW execs want to go to Detroit, they take their own bizjets.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 565 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 16):
I think NW should cut back NWA48 and NWA96 and change NWA68 and NWA52 to a B744.

I think that would be a good idea too so NW could have the extra capacity without the extra costs of operating two flights, but I think NW also wanted to mimic LH's schedule by offering two daily flights - especially the late departure. The business travelers really like have two daily flights to choose from. If NW's loads to Germany are like LH's they wouldn't have a problem filling a daily 744.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6490 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 16):
I think NW should cut back NWA48 and NWA96 and change NWA68 and NWA52 to a B744.

Why on earth would that benefit NWA? Please back up your opinion.


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 14):
But unfortunately NW doesn't have 767s.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. But you must have had a very hard time writing that!  Wink



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting KDTWFlyer (Reply 16):
I think NW should cut back NWA48 and NWA96 and change NWA68 and NWA52 to a B744.

NW 68 was a 744 in the 1990s. I flew it in July 1999.



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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 21):
NW 68 was a 744 in the 1990s. I flew it in July 1999.

I think it was also a 744 shortly after the McNamara terminal opened. I remember that because my dad flew that flight on his way back from MUC and we got our new dog (now five years and still going strong) a day before he left.

Weren't there rumors of flights from DTW to DUB and MAN starting up sometime next year? I could've sworn reading things about them being likely destinations with the 757s.


User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Both DUS and BRU are within a two hour drive of AMS, and all flights between DUS/BRU and AMS are KLM Cityhopper flights, either F50 or F70 (BRU only). Traffic between DTW and DUS/BRU are faced with a long car drive, a train ride, or a turboprop or small jet flight if they are routed via AMS. And while a low-yielding college student may be fine using their Eurail pass to get from AMS to BRU or DUS if the transatlantic fare is right, it is sub-ideal for the front of the cabin passenger, or the auto supplier engineer engineer flying last-minute in the economy cabin who needs to be at their plant in Belgium or the Rhine-Ruhr area as quickly as possible. So it appears to me that NW's strategy is to go to markets where they can fill the front of the cabin, either with DTW or connecting traffic, in markets where connecting in AMS doesn't make much sense.

As for future NW markets with the 757, I would think that "markets where connecting in AMS doesn't make sense for high yield passengers" would be the template - which would point to markets like DUB and MAN, but also MAD and LIS. I'm not sure if there's enough O&D between DTW and those destinations - or pax where DTW would make a logical connecting point - to make the flight work. But I think you'll see destinations like that before destinations like TXL or MUC.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 20):
Sorry, I couldn't resist. But you must have had a very hard time writing that! Wink

Not really.

Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 23):
As for future NW markets with the 757, I would think that "markets where connecting in AMS doesn't make sense for high yield passengers" would be the template - which would point to markets like DUB and MAN, but also MAD and LIS. I'm not sure if there's enough O&D between DTW and those destinations - or pax where DTW would make a logical connecting point - to make the flight work. But I think you'll see destinations like that before destinations like TXL or MUC.

TXL does not have enough O&D to DTW to fill a daily plane, not even a 757. 80% of pax would connect there to other US destinations. That would still be better than fly to AMS or FRA, then to a hub in the US, then to your destination. Besides, many people in Berlin would take NW to fly one of their flying fossils.  duck 

BTW, is NW ever going to repl..., ah, never mind.


25 KDTWFlyer : I don't see the need for NWA96 landing in EDDF at like 1:25PM. Why don't they just make NWA52 a B744 to take up some of the additional pax that were
26 LHUSA : Business pax absolutely love late departures. It's one of the most common pieces of feedback that we get. They're a favorite of mine as well because
27 KDTWFlyer : Interesting never knew late departures were that popular. Does anyone know how NW to EDDL is fairing?
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