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DL Hub At LAX: Likely Asia Routes?  
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8528 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7320 times:

So we know DL is getting some 772LR jets pretty soon. What will DL do at LAX? LHR? NRT? ICN? HKG? Is the new UA TPE flight designed to discourage Delta?

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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5135 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

Why would DL go to LAX? They have a perfect base in ATL.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7599 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Why would DL go to LAX? They have a perfect base in ATL.

Certain routes dont make sense from ATL. Especially from Japan like: KIX, NGO, and FUK.



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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

Quoting Flighty (Thread starter):
Is the new UA TPE flight designed to discourage Delta?

UA's route is from SFO not LAX and nothing UA is doing or plans to do will discourage DL. If anything, the opposite is true.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

DL has said they wanted SIN, HKG, and SYD. I think these would be good candidates from LAX, but others will disagree that these will go out of ATL with LR's. Personally, I would like to see ATL because I live closer to there, but it just doesn't make sense to go LAX-ATL-SYD instead of ATL-LAX-SYD. Besides, if you do ATL-LAX-SYD and ATL-LAX-HKG, you can use 772ER's or rumored 773ER's, not wasting a LR. SIN would require an LR regardless.

For Asia I predict we will see:

LAX-NRT 763
LAX-NGO 763
LAX-KIX 763
LAX-HKG 772

Then:
LAX-SYD 772



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5135 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
Certain routes dont make sense from ATL. Especially from Japan like: KIX, NGO, and FUK.

Yeah, but it would be nice to feed them from/to a hub, not like a stand alone flight outside your route network.???

KL911


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7242 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 4):
rumored 773ER's

DL getting 77W's ? what is that did not hear about that... news to me really.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 4):
For Asia I predict we will see:

LAX-NRT 763
LAX-NGO 763
LAX-KIX 763
LAX-HKG 772

Then:
LAX-SYD 772

As you mentioned HKG,SIN, and SYD are on their list. SYD probably is strongest and can be done with a 777-200ER once they are freed up on delivery of 777LR. And that plane might do a ATL-LAX-SYD run. HKG is a second one.... from LAX ...

SIN i would love to see it in my backyard but probably is the least likely of the theree.


763 routes to Asia is a bit of a stretch....


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 6):
DL getting 77W's ? what is that did not hear about that... news to me really.

It's just an Airliners.net rumor

Quoting Planetime (Reply 6):
763 routes to Asia is a bit of a stretch....

I have heard another Airliners.net rumor that Delta can increse their range up to and over the 6000 mile range on their 763ERs with the use of winglets.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7207 times:

773ERs are a possibility in DL's fleet...... Can't say how I know this.

9V-SPJ


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
Yeah, but it would be nice to feed them from/to a hub, not like a stand alone flight outside your route network.???

LAX is the largest O&D airport in the world, the USA's largest O&D port to Asia, and DL plans to have over 100 domestic flights there in short order... so it wouldn't exactly be a short in the dark.


User currently offlineFlight209 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7191 times:

When and if DL has enough aircraft with year-round ATL-East Asia range, then why can't -- and why shouldn't -- it fly to various East Asian cities from both ATL and LAX? It makes way too much sense if you ask me. ATL would receive connecting traffic in the eastern USA for DL flights to East Asia, and LAX would play the same role out west.


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7178 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 6):
763 routes to Asia is a bit of a stretch....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but besides Air Canada, I don't believe no one else is using 763's to Asia, which if DL did use would put them at a disadvantage against the newer planes of the airlines of Asia.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

- HKG -
Not likely. Tougher to get than other china routes as it is covered by a different bilateral.

- SYD -
They'd get their rear ends kicked by the two "established" carriers, QF and UA, who can do daily unlimited frequency service. DL would be limited to 4 daily I believe.



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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

DL could get good yields out of LAX if they use the same strategy as they have on the North Atlantic — namely, to try secondary or tertiary markets like FUK, CTS, PUS. However, it would be challenging to build a FF base without also serving the top tier markets. The 777s will be so scarce for a while ... makes you wonder if they'll even have them at LAX for another few years.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 12):
DL would be limited to 4 daily I believe

Weekly, you meant I guess.

It seems LAX-SYD by DL would be an uphill battle indeed, but if CO, NW, AM and CM all place their code on the flight, maybe DL can do something. The potential inability to fly daily worries me more than the long establishment of UA and QF in the market.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5135 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 12):
DL would be limited to 4 daily I believe.

4 weekly I suppose?


User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2642 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but besides Air Canada, I don't believe no one else is using 763's to Asia, which if DL did use would put them at a disadvantage against the newer planes of the airlines of Asia.

Yes, there are carriers that operate more efficient a/c to Asia than DL and the 763 if running from LAX. But consider, DL is getting in the habit of pushing limits on this Int'l craze. Consider the soon to start JFK-TLV (DL 86/87 on a B763) is a longer route than LAX-NRT.

I would not at all be surprised to see DL make LAX really impressive. The recent LatAm routes, a lot of point to point domestic (By the way - I like the LAX-CMH flight - it is numbered 1492 - Columbus, Ocean Blue... got a chuckle out of that), chatter of Asia and Oz, we will see. They need more range capable a/c however - that is one thing that is confirmed. However, DL is hell-bent on ATL-Shanghai service - you should see the article by Whitehurst in this month's issue of Delta Sky magazine. It is entirely "DL wants China".



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 12):
- SYD -
They'd get their rear ends kicked by the two "established" carriers, QF and UA, who can do daily unlimited frequency service. DL would be limited to 4 daily I believe.

I wouldn't count on that. Delta has MUCH better service than UA, and in economy would offer amenity kits, PTV's, alcohol, leather seats, better flight attendants. By the time Delta would start this route, they will have lie-flat business seats, giving them an amazing advantage over UA. Besides, Australia seems underserved, Qantas is adding frequencies and all I hear about from non-revs is the difficulty getting on these flights.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
It's just an Airliners.net rumor

Is it?

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
I have heard another Airliners.net rumor that Delta can increse their range up to and over the 6000 mile range on their 763ERs with the use of winglets.

Not necessarily a rumor.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 9):
LAX is the largest O&D airport in the world, the USA's largest O&D port to Asia, and DL plans to have over 100 domestic flights there in short order... so it wouldn't exactly be a short in the dark.

Bingo, tho not necessarily all on DL mainline. But impressive none the less. T5 is gonna be busy.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but besides Air Canada, I don't believe no one else is using 763's to Asia, which if DL did use would put them at a disadvantage against the newer planes of the airlines of Asia.

Aside from the a/c being slower, how is it a disadvantage? Especially given DL's plans for the 76E aircraft, including interior refits? DL isn't SQ, but with BizE suites and a decent Y product, they could hold their own.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Is it?

From what I know, why wouldn't it be?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7039 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 19):
From what I know, why wouldn't it be?

I have no idea...



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14):
It seems LAX-SYD by DL would be an uphill battle indeed, but if CO, NW, AM and CM all place their code on the flight, maybe DL can do something. The potential inability to fly daily worries me more than the long establishment of UA and QF in the market.

Yes good point... SYD would need daily to compete with QF's 3 dailies, UA 1 daily and during peak times 11 weekly. And Qf soon getting A380's on that route does not help DL with that... but if as mentioned above if CO,NW all put their name on that flight... it might just work.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
I wouldn't count on that. Delta has MUCH better service than UA, and in economy would offer amenity kits, PTV's, alcohol, leather seats, better flight attendants. By the time Delta would start this route, they will have lie-flat business seats, giving them an amazing advantage over UA. Besides, Australia seems underserved, Qantas is adding frequencies and all I hear about from non-revs is the difficulty getting on these flights.

Good point UA on that route is Just HORRIBLE.... had the unfortunate chace to fly them on that route.... compared to them DL is much better in my travels as of this year. DL is really getting their act together.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6977 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 20):
I have no idea...

LOL, ok...  Confused Still don't see what you're getting at.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4748 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 22):
LOL, ok... Still don't see what you're getting at.


ok.

[Edited 2007-06-08 04:23:23]


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

NRT is out, they did that once moving the PDX's NRT slot to LAX, then to JFK and finally just gave it up.

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 18):
Aside from the a/c being slower, how is it a disadvantage?

When American operated the 763 from the west coast to CDG, ( a few miles further than NRT) it was less than the idea aircraft for that distance, they gave various reasons including passenger comfort, perhaps the new DL's interior will be better. Have you noticed no major airline operates the 763 from the west coast to Europe non-stop, must be a reason.
Anyways this discussion is all fine and good, but where will DL get the aircraft?


25 Evan767 : Boeing.
26 FLYGUY767 : As stated above the routing is from SFO and not LAX. Really? - Range, and winglets prove otherwise! Oh so true. The Delta 777 and 763/764 when they a
27 AirCop : With the backlog at Boeing for 777/787, I would think not anytime in the next couple of years.
28 DL Widget Head : Ancient history. Delta has a new, energetic, young management team with a tenacious International vision. Anything is possible.
29 Alitalia744 : There are 6 777-232LRs arriving in 2008/2009 fyi.
30 JFK787NYC : So most of these 777LR are going for ASIA?
31 Evan767 : It's still not decided. There has been speculating of putting them on JFK-BOM, ATL-JNB, ATL-HKG, ATL-SYD, and others. For the most part, yes.
32 UAL777UK : Whatever route DL starts, by the time they do, bear in mind that UA will have commenced putting in the new F & J seats in their international fleet s
33 Panamair : I know UA keeps saying this, but to date, I have not seen any material or details about the new UA J seat. F, yes, they rolled that out with some fan
34 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Management is different, and besides, the slots at JFK weren't actually sold to FX from what I remember, just long-term leased. Hint: It's definitely
35 Fewsolarge : I take it you meant NRT. If true, I wonder how quick they could get them back. That could certainly make a difference.
36 UAL777UK : Thats a valid point, but as I understand, some of the higher end Global Service FF's with UA have been invited to see/try out the new seat. One might
37 Post contains links FLYGUY767 : United Airlines has drug there feet for a few years in upgrading their onboard products. In addition United Airlines seems to play a game of wait and
38 Jfk777 : 6 777-200LR is three very long haul routes, so pick three and do it. Why does Delta need a 777 on the Atlanta to TLV run ? 764ER could do it ? LAX has
39 Jbmitt : The 763ER could barely make ATL-TLV without a significant payload, rumored winglets could help. The 764 has less range than the 763ER and therefore t
40 DAL767400ER : More like 4. With good scheduling, you can require only 3 planes to require two 24h+ routes, similar to what DL is doing by combining NRT and TLV.
41 FlyDreamliner : Air Canada has no trouble using the 767-300ER, even without winglets, for routes to Asia. Pax like its more personal service and unbeatable 2-3-2 sea
42 Planetime : Biggest victim if DL gets into the market will be UA....except for the star alliance diehards. QF/AA has their on market on that route. DL will need
43 Post contains images PGNCS : Yes, unfortunately it's true... This is the single best point made here: You can always start a route (range permitting) with a 767 of some variety u
44 777D : If DL can serve SYD 4 times per week, try the route from SEA. Alaska can feed the flight as well as NW from MSP and DTW. When a new agreement is made
45 RwSEA : Makes tons of sense and would be successful, but guarantee you DL won't try it. I hold out a little more hope for NW. Good points. ATL-DKR-JNB is a g
46 AirCop : YVR is much closer to Asia than LAX. Wouldn't 763 from LAX would max out at Japan and Korea. TPE is what 6800 and HKG 7200 so the 763 couldn't make i
47 Alitalia744 : Exactly, and with a total of 13 (eight + 5 additional) currently confirmed for conversation, plus the recent comment by Bastian that all would eventu
48 LAXdude1023 : A groundbreaker because the flight is so long, but it will bleed money if DL tries it. As much as its fun as it is to fight geography and defy logic,
49 B4REAL : Really? I think it would work for the following reasons: -People from the East half of the country may prefer a routing like EasternUS-ATL-SYD instea
50 FlyDreamliner : For DL out of LAX, 763ER would be limited to serving the likes of Pusan, Osaka, and Nagoya. If they wanted to open up routes elsewhere from their old
51 Byrdluvs747 : I'm still not convinced that DL could operate LAX-SYD without bleeding money. Both UA and QF could dump so much capacity on that route it would make G
52 Flighty : But when you have a hub going, you get local companies loyal with you. LAX has so many companies that could use a serious Asia hub, and stay loyal to
53 ConcordeBoy : ...huh??? Don't be so sure. Three words: favored nation status Both the distance and yield generated by the route justify it seven
54 RwSEA : There are several that haven't though - with Nice, Point-au-Pitre and Fort-de-France being just a few examples. Yes, but ATL has no O&D to Australia.
55 Ikramerica : 2-3-2 in Y is great, and 1-1-1 in J with lie flats would be nice too. If they all have PTVs and such, can't see the problem from a pax perspective. A
56 JRDC930 : DL's Service with a 763 or 764 would in no way stand a chance n terms of service with the Asian carriers, but neither would any other U.S. carrier, h
57 UA772IAD : Range isn't really an issue. The issue is scheduled crew times. LAXNRT is already 11.5 hours on a 744. If there's a delay out of LAX, and flow contro
58 JRDC930 : I would say price more than anything would warent good loads. DL's Y prices to international destinations i have found to be quite competetive with i
59 Flight209 : I'm sure that a 763ER out of HNL can cover plenty of ground, er, water in the South Pacific, but from LAX? How many viable South Pacific destinations
60 Post contains images Evan767 : Does Delta have a chance for BOTH of these? Keep in mind everyone, if Delta were to fly to SYD, they'd be the only SkyTeam carrier from the US to do
61 B4REAL : DL operates ATL-DXB @ 14 hours, JFK-BOM @ 15 hours, ATL-NRT @ 14h 20m, ATL-ICN @ 14h 45m. Is this 12 hour limit only for 767 crews?
62 UA772IAD : Yes, and its not just DL. UA and AA, among others also have to comply with this regulation (or union negotiation- I forgot which one it is). The regu
63 B4REAL : Makes sense. The upstairs on the DL 777 is a good way to give the requisite rest. The cabin of the 767 is too small to carve out that kind of space u
64 Post contains links and images B4REAL : I could not wait. It appears the A340 has some compelling lower level options: View Large View MediumPhoto © Baires Aviation Photography
65 Fewsolarge : Sounds like a good argument for continuing SYD-ATL-JFK. Same plane service to New York, but the plane-filling power of the Worldport. Don't forget th
66 Centrair : In the eyes of the Japanese...US carriers are like LCCs. NW and UA uncut JL and NH prices to the US by not only a few yen but by sometimes thousands.
67 UA772IAD : The 777 also has the option for a LLCR (Lower Lobe Crew Rest) near door 3R. I don't know if this is a regulation or not, but I haven't encountered an
68 Ikramerica : That's all I'm thinking of too, other than the west coast of south america and NAN. Which is why you really need 777s out of LAX to reach the most de
69 LAXdude1023 : Ok, I respect that. To offer a different viewpoint, heres why I think it wouldnt work: 1) Zero to minimal O&D from ATL or the Southeast- Most O&D to
70 Humberside : I know this thread is looking at LAX-Asia, but what about LAX-Europe - LHR has been heavily rumoured. I take it AF/KL would take care of CDG/AMS? What
71 Panamair : DL is installing lie-flat pilot rest seats on their 767s (they will need them starting this winter with ATL-LOS and next March's JFK-TLV). It will be
72 Fewsolarge : The connections aren't at all limited to the Northeastern US. The Southeast, including Florida, and the Midwest would be the target market here. I th
73 LAXdude1023 : Many of the smaller markets you mention (combined) might add one or two passengers to SYD a day (six or seven to be optomistic). I concede that DL ca
74 EXAAUADL : With the exception of LAX-NRT, DL will fail miseribly trying to build an Asian hub in LAX. The fact they are trying or might try is testimony to their
75 LAXdude1023 : Expand on why you think so.
76 FLYGUY767 : What are you talking about? -JD
77 Laxintl : I think you are being too generous even with LAX-NRT. AA whom has significantly larger presence in LA has conceded its LAX-NRT flight is not making m
78 Fewsolarge : I think the success at LAX will be because of critical mass (among other factors). If DL were to choose to serve NRT as their only transpacific destin
79 FLYGUY767 : AA has and will continue to have problems in the Asian market. Part of it being its lack of presence until only the past decade or so. American Airli
80 Paladin87 : I do not believe DL would start LAX-NRT as their alliance partner NW already flies that route, LAX-PVG would be most likely as it will be the next NR
81 Post contains links and images Airtechy : Because of a new agreement between the US and China, Delta could start flying to cities in China today if it wanted to. I don't know where they would
82 FLYGUY767 : Delta, Northwest, and Continental could all be very well on their way to China from the mainland US in 2008/2009. This is going to prove to be very i
83 EXAAUADL : LAX is: 1. Very fragemented 2. heavy VFR traffic = low yields 3. Not dominated by large corporations, hence not likely you can go out an win a couple
84 Paladin87 : The routes are spread out over several years and will still need to be awarded by the DOT DL will have to wait until they are awarded one and even th
85 SQ452 : Has anyone thought about DL tapping into BOS for new service? Most of the focus remains on SYD, LAX, and maybe SIN (hell I'd love that!) from ATL. But
86 FLYGUY767 : Yes that is why Singapore Airlines flys to LAX 3x daily, British Airways flys to LAX 3x daily, Qantas flys to LAX 5x daily, and so forth. Yes, all of
87 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : Im not sure you know much about Los Angeles. First off I agree that with points 1 and 5. LAX is fragmented and DL will probably try and stick 767's o
88 Fewsolarge : I think it would be extremely charitable to place Delta in this group. While they've maintained direct ATL-NRT for over 20 years, they really give AA
89 Jetlanta : I actually think LAX-NRT would suck, just like it always did for Delta. But it is a market they have to be in if they want to do LAX-FUK, LAX-NGO, LA
90 EXAAUADL : No, I mean low yield not LCCs, though many do have lower labor costs. LA Basin is full of ethnic travel consolidaotrs. They control the entire say LA
91 B777ER : I thought there were only 5 on the order books? Isn't this route still subject to gov't approval? I take it this will be in the main cabin? If so, wi
92 Laxintl : LA might be Lower yield then the Bay Area, however the market is 3X larger as well population wise and is by far the largest US-Asia gateway. If not
93 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : And thats why UA is bringing back LAX-HKG. Because they plan on losing money. And if LAX doesnt have as much premium traffic as SFO, then why do prem
94 Papatango : Is this all just speculation or rumor, does anyone have a date or destination for any new trans pacific service by Delta from LAX?
95 Post contains links Byrdluvs747 : "Hong Kong continues to negotiate and maintain its own aviation bilateral treaties with foreign countries and territories. Flights between Hong Kong
96 Legacyins : Yeah, hear this all before from you. Let us see, LAX is the second largest geographic area in the US and has three times or more the population of th
97 Post contains images Alitalia744 : Yet 6 are being delivered according to Delta... Yes they will have privacy.
98 Ikramerica : This I think is correct. The thing about LA, after living here for 8 years, is that the only people who travel to other countries are ethnic groups.
99 LAXdude1023 : Ive lived in LA for almost all of my life and the truth of the matter is that there really arent that many white people here (comparatively). There a
100 B4REAL : The 763 can operate the route.
101 Cslusarc : Why would DL need to operate flights between LAX and NRT if it already codeshares on a flight operated by KE (LAX-NRT-ICN)?
102 B4REAL : DL also codeshares on NW LAX-NRT. But to your question - not sure. Nor do we have evidence that is DL's intent. I think the general consensus here is
103 Flight209 : If a "horrible" business environment in California as a whole is hurting the Los Angeles Basin in the financial and high-tech industries, then it sho
104 ConcordeBoy : I'm well aware of the bilateral differences, what I was questioning was your statement that HKG was somehow a "tougher" allocation for USA carriers t
105 FLYGUY767 : The difference of 300 miles does not make San Francisco a "favored" hub for United Airlines. Looking back over the years both United and Pan Am held
106 FLYGUY767 : There is another scenario to all of this. Is it possible that Delta Air Lines will maintain the LAX-NRT codeshare with NWA, while adding a JFK-NRT ser
107 LAXdude1023 : I think youre right. If DL is going to have any success at LAX, they are going to have to throw themselves into the market instead of half assing it.
108 FLYGUY767 : There are a lot of rumors and talk flying around about the Los Angeles expansion. A lot of its is being kept hush-hush. The United Airlines-Delta Air
109 Laxintl : US-Vietnam bilateral only allows for 7 weekly frequencies of which all 7 are exercised by United while Vietnam's 7 still remain unused.
110 FLYGUY767 : Thanks for the information. Sad that the only 7 frequencies are being used by an airline that choose only to offer a one stop, or connection point ou
111 Laxintl : I'd say the United service to SGN actually works quite well as it connects to 3 UA flights at HKG, SFO/ORD and soon LAX. Serving SGN as a tag from HKG
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